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Wimmin jokes - funny or fallacy?

  • 22-03-2009 06:12PM
    #1
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Bear with me here, this may be a little waffly (what's new...)

    Ever since I started Moderating tLL I've noticed a not-so-subtle shift in my perception of a variety of women's issues. In my pre-tLL days I was (rather ashamedly) bored silly whenever the topic of femisism reared its head in on-line or real-life conversations. I equated the f-word with bra-burning, hairy arm-pitted types who were more than likely vegetarian and whose problems would likely be softened by a good ride now and again.

    I'll readily admit that it was a horrifically ignorant view to have, and more than a little ironic given that I'm the first one to start whining and moaning when anyone jumps to the conclusion that women who lift stuff almost certainly look like blokes.

    But my opinion has changed rather radically since then, and I've realised that feminism is less about setting underwear on fire and more about recognising what I, as a woman, am entitled to given that I can do many (most?) things equally as good if not better than any given man and the kind of treatment that I deserve as another human being.

    I still know very little about the ins and outs of complex feminist theory - and if I was being completely honest I'd admit that I'm not sure I want to know, I tend not to enjoy extreme and unreasonably polar views on any topic - but I struggle to know where 'everyday' feminism begins and ends. Most worringly for me, I'm starting to wonder where feminism begins and my sense of humour (or apprent lack thereof) ends. An example:

    Recently I was having a PM conversation with a couple of fellow (male) Mods. I made a comment about how my mind was liable to change depending on the mood I was in. One of the Mods retorted with that boards.ie/ intarweb favourite "Fixed that for ya"
    This, of course, is subject to change at a moments' notice and depending on what kind of mood I'm in hormone level.

    Now, a few months ago I probably would have chuckled to myself and put it down to boys' being boys, sure aren't they just little rogues yadda yadda yadda.

    But actually it irked me. A lot.

    I realised that I now see this kind of comment as being some kind of reductionary tactic. Obviously it's not possible for me to be capable of changing my mind in a rational way. Oh no, it must be *dum dum duuuum*... dem hormonals.

    I know the comment was made in jest, but I really didn't find it funny. I'm all for having a laugh at myself but this felt more like a cheap and lazy shot (when in doubt pull out the "wimmins are insane with the hormones" crowd-pleaser).

    But am I taking this too far? Are these throw-away comments something to be tolerated with a bitten tongue, are they really all that bad, is it being overly sensitive to have an issue with it?

    When does being a feminism mean not being able to be fun?


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  • #2
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    most women get ancy when the decorators are in.

    I don't see what it has to do with feminism.

    it's true?


  • #3
    Silverfish
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭Silverfish


    Well, I could write all day on this topic, but it appears I've lost my sense of humour along with you :)

    An interesting thing happened in work the other day though.

    Something important happened, and there was a few people up in arms.

    Two of the lads were giving out YARDS in a meeting, ranting, raving, totally losing the head. That was grand. I got a bit riled up (sitting the other side of the camp, as it were) and in order to get my point across, raised my voice to shout over the ongoing yelling, in a 'WELL IF YOU JUST READ the list there it shows clearly yadda....'

    The general consensus was the two lads are 'real go-getters, assertive, demanding, etc etc' where as I was asked if it was 'my time of the month'.

    When I took issue with that, it was 'Ah have a ****ing sense of humour' *cue twenty lads laughing their heads off*


    So what I learned was, if a man does something like that, he's looked up to. If a woman does something like that, she's a 'looper'.

    Like I posted somewhere before:

    When you're in the minority, but each one person from the majority decides to make one, or two 'throwaway' comments, they all add up.

    e.g I work with 20 or so blokes. I'm the only female. For my first week, each of those guys made one 'throwaway' generic 'women! pfft' joke.

    For them, it was one.
    For me it was twenty. Times five.

    Times 2 years.

    So its just not funny any more.


  • #4
    GirlInterrupted
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    g'em wrote: »


    But actually it irked me. A lot.

    I realised that I now see this kind of comment as being some kind of reductionary tactic. Obviously it's not possible for me to be capable of changing my mind in a rational way. Oh no, it must be *dum dum duuuum*... dem hormonals.

    I know the comment was made in jest, but I really didn't find it funny. I'm all for having a laugh at myself but this felt more like a cheap and lazy shot (when in doubt pull out the "wimmins are insane with the hormones" crowd-pleaser).

    But am I taking this too far? Are these throw-away comments something to be tolerated with a bitten tongue, are they really all that bad, is it being overly sensitive to have an issue with it?

    When does being a feminism mean not being able to be fun?

    I don't think there's much that I'd find more insulting. Its a way of explaining away any difference of opinion, any change of behaviour, any argument, without acknowledging any individuality or validity on the woman's part.

    Its horrible, and its something I don't like to let go, and it makes me feel thought of as ''less than..''

    I do sometimes tolerate it with the bitten tongue because the circumstances may not be up to drawing attention to the comment, but overall, it's unacceptable to me.


  • #5
    lynsalot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 407 ✭✭lynsalot


    i think silverfish made a good point - if any kinda of derogatory slapstick humour is directed at you for long enough it can wear thin. I would take a joke as much as the next person and "wimmin" jokes at that wouldn't bother me but it would start to grate if i heard 25 comments week in week out - then yes it is insulting and intimidating and not acceptable. I work on a team of mostly girls - 2 men who always get slagged about being pimps, one of the girls, and all of this. They have no problem with it. Now it would never be anything insulting - from our point of view - and from what i can see they take it in jest. so is it a case of the difference of the sexes... men's humour not being understood or tolerated by women - i would think the best thing to do is look at each case separately


  • #6
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,296 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    ntlbell wrote: »
    most women get ancy when the decorators are in.
    Some do yes, some don't. If someone does because of that(and previous experience with her suggests that) I won't comment. Unless I purposely want to píss her off.
    I don't see what it has to do with feminism.
    It does when its used as a catchall to ignore or denigrate based on gender.

    I would equally irritated if its used as an excuse for childish behaviour by some women. Quite a few I must say IME. Of course sometimes it is a valid excuse. If I was being kicked in the guts every ten minutes I wouldn't be the font of all niceness or rationality either.
    GirlInterrupted wrote:
    Its a way of explaining away any difference of opinion, any change of behaviour, any argument, without acknowledging any individuality or validity on the woman's part.
    This would sum up my take on it too.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #7
    WindSock
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    I agree it does feel tiresome that for some reason every time I am pissed off it is down to my 'time of the month' and not the fact that the guy who pissed me off is a complete incompetent fcukwit. Funny how I am always at that time of the month all month round though...


  • #8
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    ntlbell wrote: »
    most women get ancy when the decorators are in.
    But our menstrual cycle is not the sole cause and reason for changes in mood. We, like men, can have fluctuating moods for a variety of reasons.
    ntlbell wrote:
    I don't see what it has to do with feminism.
    It's to do with the perception of women being allowed to have chaning moods and emotions the same way as men will without it being reduced "hormones" like as if we should be embarassed or ashamed and hold oour heads and apologise for our irrational behaviour. And if you want to take a more extreme view it insinuates inferiority and instability.
    ntlbell wrote:
    it's true?
    No, not really. Changing ones mind does not automatically = PMS.


  • #9
    Wibbs
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    lynsalot wrote: »
    I work on a team of mostly girls - 2 men who always get slagged about being pimps, one of the girls, and all of this. They have no problem with it. Now it would never be anything insulting - from our point of view - and from what i can see they take it in jest. so is it a case of the difference of the sexes... men's humour not being understood or tolerated by women
    TBH I think it's as much about the fact that men can be more confident simply because they're men. Even on a subconscious level. I have to admit for me anyway(though I suspect for a lot of men) if a woman is slagging me on the basis of my maleness, there is defo a feeling of "ahh bless, silly thing". It's subtle though and not conscious, but thinking about it that's what a lot of it is. It's a different dynamic than if a man is engaging with me. In that case the subconscious thing is more along the lines of "can I take this fool".

    I do think we all carry this subconscious thing re the genders that male is somehow better. A lot of women too. If a woman dresses in "mens" clothes, no one bats an eyelid, if a man dresses in women's clothes he is seen as somehow lesser. I think beyond the homophobia, he is seen as lesser, because the feminine is itself seen as somehow lesser, so why would a man signal that "inferiority".

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #10
    spurious
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    g'em wrote: »
    feminism is less about setting underwear on fire and more about recognising what I, as a woman, am entitled to given that I can do many (most?) things equally as good if not better than any given man and the kind of treatment that I deserve as another human being.

    Welcome to the sisterhood.
    The (in my experience almost non-existent in reality) bra-burning, man-hating stereotype is the reason many young women will not call themselves feminist while holding obviously feminist opinions. Some men genuinely can't even understand how a man could be feminist.


  • #11
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    g'em wrote: »
    No, not really. Changing ones mind does not automatically = PMS.

    no but it is true that most women or to reduce the generlisation.

    the vast majority of women i have ever encountered (maybe i'm unlucky)

    get out of whack with things that in the other 3 weeks they wouldn't

    so it's TRUE that women do go ga ga during that week

    and tbh if men had to put up with it we would be twice as bad during that week.

    but the whole feminism thing is getting out of hand


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  • #12
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    You don't have to be a man-hater or compromising of your femininity to be a feminist whatsoever. In fact, those with a misandrist agenda, I personally would not consider feminists. I'd urge women who enjoy what feminism helped achieve, yet have a negative view of feminists, to research what feminism originally meant. Also addressed in this thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055509588
    g'em wrote: »
    Ever since I started Moderating tLL I've noticed a not-so-subtle shift in my perception of a variety of women's issues. In my pre-tLL days I was (rather ashamedly) bored silly whenever the topic of femisism reared its head in on-line or real-life conversations. I equated the f-word with bra-burning, hairy arm-pitted types who were more than likely vegetarian and whose problems would likely be softened by a good ride now and again.

    I'll readily admit that it was a horrifically ignorant view to have, and more than a little ironic given that I'm the first one to start whining and moaning when anyone jumps to the conclusion that women who lift stuff almost certainly look like blokes.
    While I consider you one of the most awesome people on Boards (ha! I've embarrassed you :D. Conspiracy theorists - it's not sycophancy... well ok, maybe it is, but it's true! :)) that is something I noticed about you a couple of times and I did consider it strange.
    I still know very little about the ins and outs of complex feminist theory - and if I was being completely honest I'd admit that I'm not sure I want to know, I tend not to enjoy extreme and unreasonably polar views on any topic
    No, I think examining complex feminist theory opens the mind rather than closing it. In my opinion, it's having narrow views that leads to the man-hating.

    On topic: it depends on the joke. It's a sign of confidence to be able to laugh at oneself, but yeah, those period "quips" are just yawnsome at this stage, not to mind sexist. There's a lot of misogyny on Boards.ie - especially in After Hours - and it's given free reign. Women and female sexuality and the female body are spoken of appallingly but it's ok because it's just their opinion... yet Boards.ie isn't a democracy. Or something.

    Right now on After Hours there's a discussion on au pairs - no doubt several geniuses will just have to make "hilarious" comments about how awesome it would be to have a hot chick living in your house whom you could lob it into... etc. :rolleyes:


  • #13
    Frida Ripe Bug
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    I haven't come across those type of comments irl that much so I can't say much about it, but on boards yeah there's a lot of that tastless lacking in humour, "humour". The thing is, there's also a lot of "well it's hard being a woman haha mood swings" and blaming everything on hormones and sure isn't it grand to act like a psycho once a month because that's what women do.
    I really don't think that's helping anyone either.
    I suppose you could add in the constant men moaning "oh I just don't understand women", which some might find easier to write off as just being hormonal, so they don't need to try understand anything about "women" [as opposed to the specific individual in question :rolleyes: ] anymore.

    That said if I was in silverfish's position I'd be inclined to give one of them a sock in the mouth ¬.¬
    That kind of stuff is just pure ignorance.

    so it's TRUE that women do go ga ga during that week
    Some, maybe. The majority, maybe. I don't encounter one guy with a specific trait and assume it's true for 100% of the male population however, and it might just be nice to treat people as you find them, and wondering if they're in a bad mood for a specific reason instead of taking the lazy "oh, hormones, I don't have to put any effort in then" route.


  • #14
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    bluewolf wrote: »
    I haven't come across those type of comments irl that much so I can't say much about it, but on boards yeah there's a lot of that tastless lacking in humour, "humour". The thing is, there's also a lot of "well it's hard being a woman haha mood swings" and blaming everything on hormones and sure isn't it grand to act like a psycho once a month because that's what women do.
    I really don't think that's helping anyone either.
    I suppose you could add in the constant men moaning "oh I just don't understand women", which some might find easier to write off as just being hormonal, so they don't need to try understand anything about "women" [as opposed to the specific individual in question :rolleyes: ] anymore.

    That said if I was in silverfish's position I'd be inclined to give one of them a sock in the mouth ¬.¬
    That kind of stuff is just pure ignorance.



    Some, maybe. The majority, maybe. I don't encounter one guy with a specific trait and assume it's true for 100% of the male population however, and it might just be nice to treat people as you find them, and wondering if they're in a bad mood for a specific reason instead of taking the lazy "oh, hormones, I don't have to put any effort in then" route.

    EH?

    so if every guy you met had the same trait but only during 1 week of the month you would never after years and years of the same thing make an assumption?

    not trying to fire personal abuse but that sounds more like a learning difficulty to me.


  • #15
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    bluewolf wrote: »
    The thing is, there's also a lot of "well it's hard being a woman haha mood swings" and blaming everything on hormones and sure isn't it grand to act like a psycho once a month because that's what women do.
    I really don't think that's helping anyone either.
    That's so true bluewolf. Similar kinda thing: on a PI thread recently, some woman was bemoaning the fact that she was 35 and living alone in her own house and single and had no social network... she's lonely and looking for love - fair enough to ask for help. My heart went out to her. At the same time though, she was all "yeah I know, 35-year-old single woman - I'm pathetic".

    "Pathetic"? Because some narrow-minded tools say so? Caving into such attitudes is hardly going to cause them to crumble. Nobody ever calls a 35-year-old single guy pathetic - unless he's a mammy's boy. If he's got his own house, he's a "catch".


  • #16
    Frida Ripe Bug
    Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Frida Ripe Bug


    ntlbell wrote: »

    not trying to fire personal abuse but that sounds more like a learning difficulty to me.

    :rolleyes:
    God forbid I suggest people be individuals. I also said one guy, perhaps you have a reading difficulty?


  • #17
    cbreeze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭cbreeze


    Silverfish wrote: »
    Well, I could write all day on this topic, but it appears I've lost my sense of humour along with you :)

    An interesting thing happened in work the other day though.

    Something important happened, and there was a few people up in arms.

    Two of the lads were giving out YARDS in a meeting, ranting, raving, totally losing the head. That was grand. I got a bit riled up (sitting the other side of the camp, as it were) and in order to get my point across, raised my voice to shout over the ongoing yelling, in a 'WELL IF YOU JUST READ the list there it shows clearly yadda....'

    The general consensus was the two lads are 'real go-getters, assertive, demanding, etc etc' where as I was asked if it was 'my time of the month'.

    When I took issue with that, it was 'Ah have a ****ing sense of humour' *cue twenty lads laughing their heads off*


    So what I learned was, if a man does something like that, he's looked up to. If a woman does something like that, she's a 'looper'.

    Like I posted somewhere before:

    When you're in the minority, but each one person from the majority decides to make one, or two 'throwaway' comments, they all add up.

    e.g I work with 20 or so blokes. I'm the only female. For my first week, each of those guys made one 'throwaway' generic 'women! pfft' joke.

    For them, it was one.
    For me it was twenty. Times five.

    Times 2 years.

    So its just not funny any more.

    The name for this behaviour is sexual harrassment. Is there a workplace policy on bullying etc? It is easy to put up with it - but in the end it wears you down. Get back at them by never losing the cool, but request clarification on any perceived put down. Those workmates sound like the kind of chumps who probably would not be able to visualise the insulting statement if a non-white non-Irish national was substituted every time women/'girls' were the target.


  • #18
    ntlbell
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    bluewolf wrote: »
    :rolleyes:
    God forbid I suggest people be individuals. I also said one guy, perhaps you have a reading difficulty?

    I do as it happens.


  • #19
    g'em
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    ntlbell wrote: »
    the vast majority of women i have ever encountered (maybe i'm unlucky)

    get out of whack with things that in the other 3 weeks they wouldn't

    so it's TRUE that women do go ga ga during that week
    Go ga ga? You mean insane? irrational? Do you see how insulting that kind of phraseology is?
    ntlbell wrote:
    but the whole feminism thing is getting out of hand
    Well the "whole feminism thing" is rather a large topic. I'm simply talking about what is considered reasonable to joke about and what topics shouldn't be made light of at the expense of roughly half the population.
    Dudess wrote:
    that is something I noticed about you a couple of times and I did consider it strange.
    Yeah, I'm actually quite embarassed about some of the views I used to hold. Actually, no that's not true, I'm embarassed at the lack of a view I held on things that affect me quite profoundly. Merci buckets for the kind words though :o (am experiencing a accute attack of the "aw shucks"'s atm)
    Dudess wrote:
    I think examining complex feminist theory opens the mind rather than closing it. In my opinion, it's having narrow views that leads to the man-hating.
    Hmm, maybe I just haven't given it the time it deserves. I think I was exposed to some fairly misandrist writings at some point and I found the flipped ineqailty very difficult to swallow. I shall re-open my mind and explore it further.


  • #20
    GirlInterrupted
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    ntlbell wrote: »
    EH?

    so if every guy you met had the same trait but only during 1 week of the month you would never after years and years of the same thing make an assumption?

    not trying to fire personal abuse but that sounds more like a learning difficulty to me.


    Are you seriously telling me that every woman you've met behaves in the same manner every month, for a week? Maybe its not them, its you.

    And it certainly seems like firing abuse to me, since your stated intent is belied by your words.


  • #21
    ntlbell
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    g'em wrote: »
    Go ga ga? You mean insane? irrational? Do you see how insulting that kind of phraseology is?

    I don't see it as insulting as it's the reality of the situation, or has been ime.


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  • #22
    ntlbell
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    GirlInterrupted wrote: »
    Are you seriously telling me that every woman you've met behaves in the same manner every month, for a week? Maybe its not them, its you.

    And it certainly seems like firing abuse to me, since your stated intent is belied by your words.

    maybe I'm hormonal once a month for a week? very possible tbh.

    not abuse no, just an observation.


  • #23
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    g'em wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm actually quite embarassed about some of the views I used to hold. Actually, no that's not true, I'm embarassed at the lack of a view I held on things that affect me quite profoundly.
    Ah... you gotta have at least one flaw. :p
    Merci buckets for the kind words though :o (am experiencing a accute attack of the "aw shucks"'s atm)
    Oh that could only be your hormones... :D
    Hmm, maybe I just haven't given it the time it deserves. I think I was exposed to some fairly misandrist writings at some point and I found the flipped ineqailty very difficult to swallow. I shall re-open my mind and explore it further.
    Well yes, unfortunately the penis-cutter wannabes got their voices heard in the form of literature being published... just make sure you're careful what publications you read.


  • #24
    brianthebard
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    Tbh saying that a woman is acting in a certain way becuase of hormones, whether in jest or seriously, doesn't seem to me to be all that far away from the quackery of female hysteria, an until recently common diagnosis for all this perceived to be bad or wrong or whatever about women. And from there its about half a step to make the assumption that because women are hormonal/hysterical they have no control over their minds. I know some will say this is overegging the situation, but its easy to see what a throwback this hormone issue is when you look at silverfish's example.
    Dudess wrote: »
    Well yes, unfortunately the penis-cutter wannabes got their voices heard in the form of literature being published... just make sure you're careful what publications you read.


    IMO Germaine Greer and others like her have a lot to answer for in setting back the image and study of feminism decades with their carry on.


  • #25
    Wibbs
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    ntlbell stop stirring. End of. Or you will be taking a break from here. If you don't think you are fine, but that's how it's coming across. At least to me, so I'm watching you and anyone else who starts niggling on this thread.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #26
    brianthebard
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    ntlbell wrote: »
    EH?

    so if every guy you met had the same trait but only during 1 week of the month you would never after years and years of the same thing make an assumption?

    not trying to fire personal abuse but that sounds more like a learning difficulty to me.

    If I were to suggest that every ignorant statement you make is caused by the hormonal response men feel when threatened as they get a burst of testosterone, and thus denigrate or ignore your statement (which actually might not be ignorant at all, but well though out) on the basis of said hormones, how would you feel?


  • #27
    ntlbell
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    brianthebard wrote: »
    If I were to suggest that every ignorant statement you make is caused by the hormonal response men feel when threatened as they get a burst of testosterone, and thus denigrate or ignore your statement (which actually might not be ignorant at all, but well though out) on the basis of said hormones, how would you feel?

    I'd think you might be on to something there (you could be) and i'd investigate it


  • #28
    radioactiveman
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    Hi OP
    good post, you don't have to be an extreme feminist to see that a lot of guys in Ireland have a stone age attitude to women. In my experience it is done more snidely through emails and things like that as well as just remarks (in the workplace), but it can be fairly cutting.

    I worked for while in Sweden a few years ago and they seem to have a very different approach to promoting equality. E.g. I went to an aircraft museum, and they had a special film running and banner up with the theme "starka kvinnor" which basically means "Strong women", showing the exploits of women in the Swedish air force/army and promoting the idea that girls can also join the Swedish air force and become pilots and also the idea that this is normal. I don't think we are as "organised" about this here. If women end up getting discouraged or even edged out of the workplace because of smart comments then they're not going to show their true potential even if there are HR policies/laws that say otherwise.


  • #29
    ntlbell
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    radioactiveman wrote: »
    Hi OP
    good post, you don't have to be an extreme feminist to see that a lot of guys in Ireland have a stone age attitude to women. In my experience it is done more snidely through emails and things like that as well as just remarks (in the workplace), but it can be fairly cutting.

    I worked for while in Sweden a few years ago and they seem to have a very different approach to promoting equality. E.g. I went to an aircraft museum, and they had a special film running and banner up with the theme "starka kvinnor" which basically means "Strong women", showing the exploits of women in the Swedish air force/army and promoting the idea that girls can also join the Swedish air force and become pilots and also the idea that this is normal. I don't think we are as "organised" about this here. If women end up getting discouraged or even edged out of the workplace because of smart comments then they're not going to show their true potential even if there are HR policies/laws that say otherwise.

    sorry but do the same emails not get sent around by women regarding men

    there is both men and women in this issue not just men

    plenty of women have bad attitudes as wibbs mentioned the aul "aw bless sure he's only a man"

    but when women send these emails around about men they're having the craic and if a man does it about a woman he's a sexist pig living in the dark ages?

    right..


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    g'em
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    ntlbell wrote: »
    but when women send these emails around about men they're having the craic and if a man does it about a woman he's a sexist pig living in the dark ages?
    If it concerns you why not start a thread. This one is about jokes at women's expense.


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    ntlbell
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    g'em wrote: »
    If it concerns you why not start a thread. This one is about jokes at women's expense.

    it doesn't concern me at all, I was just trying to bring some equality to their post.


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