Irish Building Control Institute

pseudo-tech · 18-03-2009 01:50PM

No6 wrote: »

What I always found strange was that they were included on the AIB's list of approved bodies when in reality they appear to be all in the public service? Surely as public servants they are prohibited from doing nixer type work!

They are prohibited but they do!

No6 wrote: »

I also agree with some of the posts above it would be a useful body to be a member of to get direct access to the CPD etc, they seem to have good access to dept officials but they seem to be more interested in keeping a closed membership!!

Another feather for the cap No.6.

No6 wrote: »

in which case I have no interest in having anything further to do with them. Confused tech perhaps you could start with the competition authority, probably woulnt work but you never know.

Again, i feel the answer is for all of use to join a single organisation and pomote it to a position where we are not picking up scraps and joining any organisation that might protect us! We need to look at the big picture.

RKQ · 18-03-2009 01:58PM

I assume they were accepted by AIB because they made representations to AIB! I assume AIB took notice of all professional bodies, especially those so closely associated with Compliance with Building Control.

I agree that its strange as they are Public sector but remember that their membership criteria was more open when they were accepted by AIB.

Maybe we should join, learn and try to change the criteria from within!
I'm sure it is a democratic organisation that sets "motion" to debate or change etc. It voted on its current criteria last November - pity we didn't have a voice at that meeting.

As a self employed individual at the coal face of site inspection - I see IBCI as a worthwhile organisation especially regarding certification, interpetation of Building Regulations and compliance etc. Its two day weekend seminars are great CPD - dealing with new and upcoming changes to the Regulations.

Who with enforce or train "airthightness" details / good practice on site?
Airtight membrane to floor joists etc. Building Inspectors rarely visit domestic sites so we will be forced to take up the flak and explain new methods and practices.:eek:

No6 · 18-03-2009 03:56PM

RKQ wrote: »

Who with enforce or train "airthightness" details / good practice on site?
Airtight membrane to floor joists etc. Building Inspectors rarely visit domestic sites so we will be forced to take up the flak and explain new methods and practices.:eek:

But will we get paid for all this teaching, I dont think so, IMO this country is grossly overregulated and totally lacking in any enforcement which results in a utterly fruitless situation of people like us trying to encourage good standards in detailing, use of materials etc and then being totally ignored by everybody. If we are "experts" in the Technology of Architecture and Building Regulation why does nobody except ourselves recognise this.:mad:

pseudo-tech · 18-03-2009 03:57PM

No6 wrote: »

But will we get paid for all this teaching, I dont think so, IMO this country is grossly overregulated and totally lacking in any enforcement which results in a utterly fruitless situation of people like us trying to encourage good standards in detailing, use of materials etc and then being totally ignored by everybody. If we are "experts" in the Technology of Architecture and Building Regulation why does nobody except ourselves recognise this.:mad:

Could not agree more!!!

RKQ · 18-03-2009 04:25PM

No6 wrote: »

But will we get paid for all this teaching, I dont think so, :mad:

Of course not.... we are alone in this battle, as usual and it has the potential to be a big battle.

Homebond has broken the ice at its seminars but unfortunately there are many Carpenters, Blocklayers and Plasterers that don't attend Homebond seminars! They certainly don't spent there free time downloading new work practices / details, off the Dept of Envirnoments website.

We are expected to teach and battle to ensure Compliance. The Government, the banks, building control etc don't care as long as the building complies so its assumed we'll do the necessary to ensure it complies! Hence we have little option.

pseudo-tech · 18-03-2009 05:43PM

RKQ wrote: »

Of course not.... we are alone in this battle, as usual and it has the potential to be a big battle.

Homebond has broken the ice at its seminars but unfortunately there are many Carpenters, Blocklayers and Plasterers that don't attend Homebond seminars! They certainly don't spent there free time downloading new work practices / details, off the Dept of Envirnoments website.

We are expected to teach and battle to ensure Compliance. The Government, the banks, building control etc don't care as long as the building complies so its assumed we'll do the necessary to ensure it complies! Hence we have little option.

Isn't it amazing what is expected of us and a number of us are still having problems with solicitors and banks. You will see that a lot of the acceptable professions will be left wanting in this area and our profession will be expected to be the expert but without recognition :mad: :mad:

ConfusedTech · 18-03-2009 06:56PM

RKQ, good points, and I think that I have one of the answers as to why the AIB has listed them. It seems that the institute has ties, possibly close ties with the RIAI. Nothing wrong with that.

On the other points, I would like to emphasise what some posters have said here. This institution is at the forefront of building compliance, building regulations, planning etc. Is this not an institution that we could offer a lot to, and to whom we can get a lot from??? It could be an institution that we could grow with! Forget about who they are and whether or not they should be certifying, and forget about the certification issue. Representation is what we should seek, and with representation, correct guidance and acceptance of certiification will follow.

This is not a campaign!!!

No6 · 18-03-2009 06:57PM

pseudo-tech wrote: »

Isn't it amazing what is expected of us and a number of us are still having problems with solicitors and banks. You will see that a lot of the acceptable professions will be left wanting in this area and our profession will be expected to be the expert but without recognition :mad: :mad:

And we can't even join the IBCI as full members!!!!:D

pseudo-tech · 18-03-2009 07:23PM

No6 wrote: »

And we can't even join the IBCI as full members!!!!:D

Its a joke really!!

RKQ · 18-03-2009 07:44PM

This is a criteria that has been set by Building Control Officers and Engineers in local authority employment and FAS. The bar has been set.

Level 8 seems to be the minimum for some reason. IMO this alienates many fine, skilled, experienced and worthy members. Creating a huge loss to this organisation and a loss opertunity for all. Ability is rarely refelected in academic qualifications - its the post grad experience that creates the real Professional.

Do not be surprised if you see a similar "criteria" in the near future for similar organisations.

Poor Uncle Tom · 18-03-2009 07:56PM

If somebody were to approach the IBCI and simply point out what has been discussed as above and get an official reaction.....

Well unless or until an approach of some sort is made, isn't this discussion acedemic.

RKQ · 18-03-2009 08:13PM

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Well unless or until an approach of some sort is made, isn't this discussion acedemic.

In a word, No.
I would be very surprised if the Officers of the IBCI are not fully aware of this thread. Many organisations and individuals read this public forum.

I believe that the leading members of the IBCI are very approachable, friendly and very helpful individuals.

As the old advert said "Its good to talk". We have nothing to fear from honest discussion, if we did this whole forum would be academic.

Poor Uncle Tom · 18-03-2009 08:22PM

So, let me get this straight, you believe that by simply airing your views here you could be affecting change where you want it?:)

I'm sorry, RKQ, I believe in the more direct approach of discussion face to face, not shouting into the ether hopeing someone hears.

RKQ · 18-03-2009 08:34PM

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

So, let me get this straight, you believe that by simply airing your views here you could be affecting change where you want it?:)

What makes you think that?

Uncle Tom,You have me completely wrong!
Read my posts above, my opinion is clear.

As a member of the Portlaoise10 you are fully aware that I'm about action, direct communication and achieving results.

Hiding away just isn't my style. I am not into negative propaganda, self promotion, little clubs, cliques or them and us ideals.

I am about openess, unity and sharing information and professionalism.:D
I'm sorry Uncle Tom but I am not going to discuss my current communications on a public forum.

muffler · 18-03-2009 11:22PM

RKQ wrote: »

As a member of the Portlaoise10 you are fully aware that I'm about action, direct communication and achieving results.

Sweet Jesus. Martyrs are we?

Post something positive for a change instead of the usual and repetitive negative dribble that you and your sidekick are involved in.

RKQ · 18-03-2009 11:55PM

muffler wrote: »

Sweet Jesus. Martyrs are we?

Post something positive for a change instead of the usual and repetitive negative dribble that you and your sidekick are involved in.

You call this a positive contribution?

ConfusedTech · 19-03-2009 08:44PM

Lads, back to the topic please!!!

Just to let you know, I note that I am aware of a number of responses already made to the institution directly in relation to the posts above. I will see if I can get any information back from these to positively progress this.

I wont talk down what we dont know yet.

I would agree that they should be approachable people, and we should possibly ask for a response. Give it a few weeks and I will talk to a few people and see what has been sent back.

sydthebeat · 19-03-2009 09:06PM

i am planning on sending an application to the IBCI.

according to their entrance criteria i comply to both (a) and (b) for associate membership
(c) seems to be a very subjective criterion, but one i can argue with great confidence (due to the fact that i am basically part of the building control industry in ireland)....

muffler · 19-03-2009 09:09PM

Stick my name on that too syd

pseudo-tech · 19-03-2009 09:11PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

i am planning on sending an application to the IBCI.

according to their entrance criteria i comply to both (a) and (b) for associate membership
(c) seems to be a very subjective criterion, but one i can argue with great confidence (due to the fact that i am basically part of the building control industry in ireland)....

Best of luck with that Syd. You might let us know how you get on?

No6 · 19-03-2009 09:52PM

Let us know how you get on Syd, My application under the old criteria was returned last year and I havn't heard from them since.

ConfusedTech · 20-03-2009 10:03PM

No 6. This is the third application that I have heard that has not yet had a reply after being sent back. I think that it is shocking that any application should be treated in this way and you should contact them. Its rather unprofessional and should be dealt with.

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