Pope claims that condoms could make the African aids crisis worse

Jesus Wept · 17-03-2009 09:18PM

rubber johnnies?

Splendour · 17-03-2009 11:08PM

papu wrote: »

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand
another reason why I'm atheist.

What bearing does the Pope's teaching have to do with you being an athiest?

papu · 17-03-2009 11:12PM

Splendour wrote: »

What bearing does the Pope's teaching have to do with you being an athiest?

Your kidding right? how the hell can anyone defend this?
same with Creationism
same with abortions
My own personal opinion but religion is F***** up.

Splendour · 17-03-2009 11:18PM

Fighting Irish wrote: »

So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence.

"Blessed is the man who finds wisdom, the man who gains understanding, for she is more profitable than silver and yields better returns than gold. She is more precious than rubies; nothing you desire can compare with her. Long life is in her right hand; in her left hand are riches and honor. Her ways are pleasant ways, and all her paths are peace. She is a tree of life to those who embrace her; those who lay hold of her will be blessed."

-Proverbs 3:13-18

"Choose my instruction instead of silver, knowledge rather than choice gold, for wisdom is more precious than rubies, and nothing you desire can compare with her."

-Proverbs 8:10-11

"A simple man believes anything, but a prudent man gives thought to his steps."

-Proverbs 14:15

"Better a dry crust with peace and quiet than a house full of feasting, with strife."

-Proverbs 17:1

"A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions."

-Proverbs 18:2

Don't mix the teachings of the Catholic church up with the teaching of the Gospel...

useful_contacts · 17-03-2009 11:20PM

the pope talks a bunch of *hypicrotyal crap

*Spelt wrong = dont care

I am a catholic(by family) and the ****e that pope spouts makes me laugh. Your supposed to be married before you have sex BUT your not allowed use conterceptive because its evil - HOWEVER if your partner was humping someone on the side and you catch something then you are evil because your diseased and have to endure the stigma with it

ha ha ha ha

spas!!!

Splendour · 17-03-2009 11:26PM

papu wrote: »

Your kidding right? how the hell can anyone defend this?
same with Creationism
same with abortions
My own personal opinion but religion is F***** up.

My personal opinion is the same as yours with regards to religion. The word religion actually means 'regarding laws' but most of us will naturally rebel against this. This is why I too, albeit a Christian, hate organised religion.

kleefarr · 17-03-2009 11:28PM

Is it him that's completely out of touch with reality or the catholic religion?

May be it's a bit of both.

17-03-2009 11:41PM

papu wrote: »

Your kidding right? how the hell can anyone defend this?
same with Creationism
same with abortions
My own personal opinion but religion is F***** up.

You do realise...
*gasp, shock horror*
... that there are quite a lot of other religions out there that aren't catholic and don't share these beliefs at all?

The original question put to you, asking why the pope's teachings have anything to do with you being atheist, is quite a valid one, because while those teachings might have put you off catholicism, they have no bearing on the question of theism in general or the teachings of the multitudes of different religions.

stepbar · 17-03-2009 11:44PM

I wonder did many of the pedo priests think of using condoms when they decided to fcuk up their victims lives? It's no wonder I don't go to church so much now.

17-03-2009 11:52PM

fekin hell i hate religion.

Pyr0 · 17-03-2009 11:52PM

bluewolf wrote: »

You do realise...
that there are quite a lot of other religions out there

Haha, this is the funniest part ! :pac:

Splendour · 17-03-2009 11:57PM

kleefarr wrote: »

Is it him that's completely out of touch with reality or the catholic religion?

May be it's a bit of both.

Problem is that contraception is a Catholic rule so whether or not he agrees with it, he still has to follow the church's teachings.
I'm not too sure if the Pope has the power to change this law or not as I imagine it would be undermining the 'infallibility' of whatever Pope made the rule in the first place. If that Pope's ruling isn't so perfect then neither would the current Pope's (or any others) ruling be.

Of course that's only my opinion as I don't know much about Canon law.

Fratton Fred · 18-03-2009 12:06AM

He decided that "limbo" didn't exist so hundreds of years of scaring people into having their chidren baptised ended, so why can' he decide contraception isn't wrong. Hey, I've got an idea, let's start up our own form of catholicism (with a small c) in protest at the Popes over interfering rules. Now then, what should we call a church set up as a protest?

Takeshi_Kovacs · 18-03-2009 12:17AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

so he has pissed off the Jews by bringing a holocaust denyer back into the fold, .

That holocaust denyer is bishop Richard Willaimson, who is a bit of questionable fellow as well, but i had to laugh at one of his views on women
"A woman can do a good imitation of handling ideas, but then she will not be thinking properly as a woman. Did this lawyeress check her hairdo before coming into court? If she did, she is a distracted lawyer. If she did not, she is one distorted woman."

papu · 18-03-2009 12:23AM

bluewolf wrote: »

You do realise...
*gasp, shock horror*
... that there are quite a lot of other religions out there that aren't catholic and don't share these beliefs at all?

The original question put to you, asking why the pope's teachings have anything to do with you being atheist, is quite a valid one, because while those teachings might have put you off catholicism, they have no bearing on the question of theism in general or the teachings of the multitudes of different religions.

Well this just further strenghtens my views
i might be offending people here but you want an answer so here it is
(Not my words but i wish they were)

"Perhaps it's the shameless hypocrisy , The Arrogant Self-Righteousness , The willful Ignorance , or the cynical indoctrination of young minds with prejudice and hate,
I do know that with half a chance religion would like to control every aspect of my life, if i want it to or not,
And would impose a morality on me , what to think , what to believe , and who to attack and kill for believing something else.
Thus religion is the natural home of the physcopath "

I'm happy the way i live my life , I'm happy with the decisions I make , I do not force my beliefs unto others and such expect others to respect mine.
The popes teachings are just another drop in the sea of reasons I have , it just further solidifies my beliefs that its all shameless exploitation of peoples emotions , feelings and vunerablilties.

Splendour · 18-03-2009 12:28AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

He decided that "limbo" didn't exist so hundreds of years of scaring people into having their chidren baptised ended, so why can' he decide contraception isn't wrong. Hey, I've got an idea, let's start up our own form of catholicism (with a small c) in protest at the Popes over interfering rules. Now then, what should we call a church set up as a protest?

Apparantly Limbo wasn't actually a church ruling but more of a teaching to qualm parents fears of where their unbaptised babies went. Limbo wasn't Heaven but not a bad place to be either. So he supposedly didn't change a rule as there wasn't one to change.

Fratton d'ya this idea of yours would catch on? Maybe you should change your user name to Martin

Fratton Fred · 18-03-2009 12:34AM

I was thinking Calvin, whaddya reckon? How about Paisley?

Splendour · 18-03-2009 12:38AM

papu wrote: »

I'm happy the way i live my life , I'm happy with the decisions I make , I do not force my beliefs unto others and such expect others to respect mine.
The popes teachings are just another drop in the sea of reasons I have , it just further solidifies my beliefs that its all shameless exploitation of peoples emotions , feelings and vunerablilties.

If anyone is having some religious viewpoint forced upon them, I would consider that to be cult like.
These people have a choice, they can turn away from the Catholic church if they wish, or like so many others, they can be 'a la carte' Catholics. How many so called Irish 'Catholics' use contraception? I personally don't agree with this, but it is an option.

18-03-2009 12:42AM

The only way the pope could be right on this issue is if they are using catholic condoms, you know the ones with a hole at both ends!

papu · 18-03-2009 12:53AM

Splendour wrote: »

If anyone is having some religious viewpoint forced upon them, I would consider that to be cult like.
These people have a choice, they can turn away from the Catholic church if they wish, or like so many others, they can be 'a la carte' Catholics. How many so called Irish 'Catholics' use contraception? I personally don't agree with this, but it is an option.

Look the fact that religion has any bearing over my life when I do not want it to be is reason enough , Religious wars in the middle east driving up the cost of petrol , the absurd teachings of creationism harrasing me at my doorstep , The hampering of Science (stem cell research) by the bigoted opinions of religious teachings , The denial of choice by a few ( abortions) to all without personal choice.
Imo it's the cancer which has the power to kill the human species.

n0fX · 18-03-2009 01:07AM

Anyone who believes in something without a shred of proof = retarded, in my opinion.

18-03-2009 01:20AM

n0fX wrote: »

Anyone who believes in something without a shred of proof = retarded, in my opinion.

In the days before formal education, people believed what they were told by their elders, priests preachers, charletans etc, most only heard one version of the story, so had no in choice whether to believe it or not.

Educated people can form their own opinions based on the knowledge they have acquired through education.

There is a big difference between uneducated and retarded

joseph brand · 18-03-2009 03:15AM

papu wrote: »

http://www.catholic.ie/

hahahahahaahah

Thank you soooo much.

Snowie · 18-03-2009 10:39AM

what the hell would a 65 year old claimed virgin know what the hell hes talking about...

Sanjuro · 18-03-2009 10:54AM

NEWSFLASH: Pope is against artificial contraception and will say anything, no matter how groundless to stop people from using them.

Next.

Wagon · 18-03-2009 10:58AM

words cannot express the idiocracy, so I'll let her do it.

18-03-2009 06:20PM

papu wrote: »

Look the fact that religion has any bearing over my life when I do not want it to be is reason enough , Religious wars in the middle east driving up the cost of petrol , the absurd teachings of creationism harrasing me at my doorstep , The hampering of Science (stem cell research) by the bigoted opinions of religious teachings , The denial of choice by a few ( abortions) to all without personal choice.
Imo it's the cancer which has the power to kill the human species.

You do realise that there are a large number of people against both abortion and stem cell who aren't biased by religion?

Tbh it sounds like you have a major chip about christianity and are trying to use it to argue against ALL religion. With a minor mention of oil prices.
Not to mention there are extremeists everywhere who do not represent all of their own religion, let alone any other.

"Perhaps it's the shameless hypocrisy , The Arrogant Self-Righteousness , The willful Ignorance , or the cynical indoctrination of young minds with prejudice and hate,
I do know that with half a chance religion would like to control every aspect of my life, if i want it to or not,
And would impose a morality on me , what to think , what to believe , and who to attack and kill for believing something else.
Thus religion is the natural home of the physcopath "

Bitter daft ranting at a guess based on only islam and christianity :rolleyes:
I also love how it's "religion" that is referred to as controlling instead of, say, religious fundamentalists

thebigcheese22 · 18-03-2009 06:53PM

Viva la France!

Alter-Ego · 18-03-2009 07:31PM

Mmcd wrote: »

But its still statistically better to ride 100 with a johnny than just one without!

Not really. They're only 98% effective.

Mmcd · 18-03-2009 07:46PM

Alter-Ego wrote: »

Not really. They're only 98% effective.

My bad - was told in school it was 99.something%

Pope claims that condoms could make the African aids crisis worse

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