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Does anyone else thing ADD, Aspergers and Social Anxiety disorder are all fake

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  • #32
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    this topic came up in a pub discussion the other night, i know 2 lads who claim to have aspergers (self diagnosed with an internet symptom check sheet)

    You're sure your two mates aren't just plain old retards? They show all the classic signs...


  • #33
    Snowie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    Milky Moo wrote: »
    I said ADD and ADHD was an excuse for bad parenting,a child is hyper active and won't listen to authourity he must have ADD, it's a quick solution to a problem that may not even be correct.
    For those that do not it have yet are readily diagnosed with it by people who are not trained to diagnose such things i.e teachers which i have seen first hand.
    I also said that this was wrong and for those that do have ADD etc they general don't use this as an excuse and try and live life in spite of it


    sorry i think i red that a bit wrong :(,

    *gets down on knees and hands a bokay of flowers *


  • #34
    Milky Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Milky Moo


    Snow-Monkey wrote: »
    sorry i think i red that a bit wrong :(,

    *gets down on knees and hands a bokay of flowers *
    No bother ;)


  • #35
    galwaydude
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    This thread has to be the most stupid ones on AH in a long time. The OP shows a true lack of knowledge on the subject. Your friends are idiots if they are self subscribing themselve to have these disorders, go to the doctor. As soonone who has had alot of experience with kids with these disorders, it beggers belief the stupid statement that it is all down to bad parenting that someone made. A true lack of not knowing what the hell you are on about. Cop yourself on.


  • #36
    Daroxtar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    ADD is just boredom ,plain and simple. Aspergers is probably real but over diagnosed. Autism is real.
    When you put a child in front of an xbox and tv all evening and feed them chips and chocolate and fizzy drinks instead of putting them out in the garden to let off steam then its no wonder they have concentration problems.

    Dr. Pfister, the guy who came up with most of the terminology for all these so called ailments recently said that he himself may have been too quick to try and put a label on different behavioural patterns and ended up falsley categorising what is essentially just the human condition. But if you have a pill that needs to validate its own use and a susceptible society that needs a quick fix then you end up with a scenario where people who think outside the box get stigmatised and doped up


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  • #37
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    BIL (Blind Ignorance and Laziness) seems to be a real disorder if this thread is anything to go by.

    Has anyone claiming that the diseeases are fake done ANY research? Anyone?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #38
    Valmont
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Valmont


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    this topic came up in a pub discussion the other night, i know 2 lads who claim to have aspergers (self diagnosed with an internet symptom check sheet) and it got me thinking, in the last few years these new 'conditions' have been appearing, anyone ive heard of with these 'conditions' just hides behind it as an excuse to use drugs or be a recluse or why they cant get laid , anyone else think these conditions are just a load of bull ?

    Goodness gracious me. ADD and aspergers and indeed many other new conditions identified in the past ten or fifteen years are absolutely real. They are empirically verified and well researched conditions.

    To say you don't believe in them is absolutley ridiculous and highlights a supreme ignorance, it's not like saying you ****ing believe in Santa Claus for christs sake.

    ADD does have issues with being over-diagnosed but this doesn't actually take away from it's status as a legitimate disorder.


  • #39
    sadista
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭sadista


    Assburgers syndrome is definitley real. watch this educational video!


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jkBOU9etRA


  • #40
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    I dont see what everyone is worried about, just give them Ritalin. But make sure you have some Ritalout handy.


  • #41
    Snowie
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    Daroxtar wrote: »
    ADD is just boredom ,plain and simple. Aspergers is probably real but over diagnosed. Autism is real.
    When you put a child in front of an xbox and tv all evening and feed them chips and chocolate and fizzy drinks instead of putting them out in the garden to let off steam then its no wonder they have concentration problems.

    I was'nt aloud choky as child or any sweat's i fed apple juice and cartoned fruit juice... I was braught up in the country I ate worms like any normal kid made army base's etc .....i ran around as much but add isnt behaoural its more a concintration/ boardem...
    Daroxtar wrote: »
    Dr. Pfister, the guy who came up with most of the terminology for all these so called ailments recently said that he himself may have been too quick to try and put a label on different behavioural patterns and ended up falsley categorising what is essentially just the human condition. But if you have a pill that needs to validate its own use and a susceptible society that needs a quick fix then you end up with a scenario where people who think outside the box get stigmatised and doped up

    well i dissagree i was never doped up ritalin was offered as prescription but my perents being good said we'd rather have a son then a zombie child, i went to a dietision who then worked in conjunction with my tester in order to acheave a balalacned diet which was meet everyday.

    I agree as milkmoo said that there are case's when its, all down to just, labelling, as eric cartmen said typical idiot with absalouly no clue, of what hes talking about..

    but i do belave that there are case's

    but you can look at addd and in it's case's there are many different case's ..... like i had a mate ion school who had add and dyslexia just like me and his condition was more varried then mine, he was quiet where i was supper hyper and the added bonous of a tock shop ment i was super hypeer all day long...


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  • #42
    Zillah
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    aspergers or ADD are really just labels for bad parenting or kids who dont socialise much or are a little weird

    Have you ever actually met a person who has been diagnosed with Aspergers by a professional? It's not just a lazy way of explaining someone who is nervous or quirky...it can be a lot more severe than that.

    Your ignorance on the matter is really quite disappointing, please stop taking your idiot friends as representative of people with a genuinely troublesome neurology.


  • #43
    yoyo
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    I have aspergers and can definately confirm its real, Going through childhood suffering major depression, social anxiety is not pleasent. I have found that as I've got older and since being diagnosed, I am able to handle situations better, And getting on with life

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  • #44
    CamperMan
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    big b wrote: »
    Everything has to have a label these days, and as soona s there's a label some people will want to attach themselves (or their kids) to it to justify laziness, bad parenting or whatever.

    I know one fat f*ck who is claiming social disorder (or similar) and is quite happy to spend a full day shopping in town, but claims they're too nervous in company to take a job.
    C*nts like that drag down those who genuinely need help.

    It could be the same person I know.. a fat lazy cow has spent her adult life on welfare claiming she suffers from this "social anxiety" sh!t, BO||OCKS!, she goes to every party she can go to, she throws her own parties, she goes on regular holidays, goes night clubbing every week, social anxiety my hole!!


  • #45
    Daroxtar
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    Snow monkey,

    My youngest brother who is ten years younger than my second youngest had no interest in doing homework and did not mix well with the other kids in his class. Because the teacher could not force him to pay attention or interact in class he was assesed and was diagnosed as being "either ADD or aspergers" about 6 years ago. Dont you love the vagueness there. He spent 3 years going to occupational therapists and psychiatrists and everyone of them telling him there was something wrong with him and everyone of them reccomended drugs. He was 8-11 at the time. Think about that, they couldn't say what was wrong but they still wanted to try and medicate him for it. FFS, his brain was still developing, as were his social skills but some quack wanted to put chemicals into him to make him conform.

    Thankfully my parents refused and reckoned that his biggest problems were living in an isolated enviornment with no one his own age to interact with and too much time playing computer games. They got him playing football and going to youth clubs and the like. When he started secondary school all his "problems" dissapeared and he is one of the most popular kids in school and his grades are excellent in all the subjects he is interested in!

    I'm not saying that learning difficulties dont exist. I just think that is is dangerously wrong to tell people there is something "wrong" with them, stick a label on them and fill them with amphetimines/tranquilisers. Your parents did the right thing in keeping you away from the ritalin. Mine did the same with my brother.

    P.S. does anyone remember the article about 2 years ago saying australians had discovered a new syndrome called Motivational Affliction Disorder? Seemingly it causes people to put off doing their work, makes them stay longer in bed and can in severe cases lead to "crippling levels of apathy". Worst of all it affects 30% of the population of the planet. Drugs were being tested to see what could cure this horrible disease. Call me sceptical but if 1/3 of the populace behaves in a certain way then i doubt that there is something "wrong" with them, its just the fukn way they are. And i love the name of this illness too. 1/3 of us suffer from MAD. How mad is that???


  • #46
    tech77
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    i feel the serious attitude change is needed because of the way ive seen people who supposedly have this disorder go on, one of the lads mentioned above can go to a pub and hang out with people just fine, can make friends no bother , but even if girls are quite obviously into him hell just go "theres no way i could talk to her cos of my aspergers" then bitch "i dont have a girlfriend cos of my aspergers" and even blamed being bad at counter strike on having aspergers.

    Eh, see post 15.
    So to sum up:
    a) They are real.
    b) They are overdiagnosed/self-mis-diagnosed by morons.
    WTF is difficult to understand about this.

    Edit: it's "self-misdiagnose" not "mis-selfdiagnose" isn't it? :p


  • #47
    994
    Closed Accounts Posts: 911 ✭✭✭994


    Disease Ridden wrote: »
    Aspergers: I'd be inclined to believe this is a true disorder albeit not as common a disorder as medical books etc. might have us believe. I think too many social isolates spend their time diagnosing themselves with diseases like Aspergers syndrome etc rather than just having the balls to go out and face their problems. I'd imagine a lot of people who self diagnose themselves with Aspergers really suffer from this....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchhausen_syndrome
    Aspergers definitely exists, but not without a diagnosis.
    Social Anxiety Disorder: I'm not too sure about this. Like I doubt there were many people 100 years ago who would have presented the so called symptoms of this disorder, simply because society wouldnt have accomidated for it!
    Actually there have always been hermits, loners and weirdos who avoided people as much as they could - e.g. Silas Marner. Society in the past wasn't half as close as you think.
    Nolanger wrote: »
    Know what I hate - this modern-day psychological revisionism.
    Take a famous scientist from 200 years ago.
    Spends all his life alone, in a lab or visiting countries.
    Makes a scientific discovery that's absolute genius.
    Now we say he must have been autistic/apergers.
    No - he was just a good scientist dedicated to his work.
    Hate this excuse where brilliant people must have a psychological disorder because they are different.
    Yeah, I mean the reason Isaac Newton avoided everyone wasn't that he was ill, it was that everyone else talked about the weather and the price of eggs while he explored the origins of creation. I mean, if you lived in a world where everyone else had Down's syndrome, you'd avoid them too.
    CamperMan wrote: »
    It could be the same person I know.. a fat lazy cow has spent her adult life on welfare claiming she suffers from this "social anxiety" sh!t, BO||OCKS!, she goes to every party she can go to, she throws her own parties, she goes on regular holidays, goes night clubbing every week, social anxiety my hole!!
    You heartless man! She's doing it to cure herself! Every party she goes to reduces her anxiety by 1%.


  • #48
    tbombzer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17 ✭tbombzer


    Generally when people are in an alert state their brain is in the beta range but for the Spacemonkeys with add/adhd they normally function at a aplha to thetha range making them more "Dreamy".

    Brainewave entrainment is good for cognitive change.

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  • #49
    RoundyMooney
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    Let's not forget dyslexia as both a rare, yet commonly misdiagnosed ailment.

    Most of those who claim it, are either too thick to retain a spelling, or too lazy to correct one.

    Neither is a disability, of any form.


  • #50
    CamperMan
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    994 wrote: »
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CamperMan viewpost.gif
    It could be the same person I know.. a fat lazy cow has spent her adult life on welfare claiming she suffers from this "social anxiety" sh!t, BO||OCKS!, she goes to every party she can go to, she throws her own parties, she goes on regular holidays, goes night clubbing every week, social anxiety my hole!!



    You heartless man! She's doing it to cure herself! Every party she goes to reduces her anxiety by 1%.

    If that is the case, she should have been cured 100% 10 years ago with the about of socializing she does!


  • #51
    CamperMan
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    Social Anxiety Disorder.

    You know, I cannot understand why that can be classed as a disability and why people can claim welfare for it.

    I wonder how many of you out there genuinely get anxious going out, maybe visiting an ugly aunt that you know will give you a kiss, or facing people at work you really dislike, or going shopping on a Saturday afternoon or even going out on a date!.

    Loads of people get anxious!


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  • #52
    TequilaMockingBird
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    Even for After Hours, this is a saddening thread.


  • #53
    Terry
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    TequilaMockingBird wrote: »
    Even for After Hours, this is a saddening thread.
    Call it an idiot trap.


  • #54
    [Deleted User]
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    meh bad parenting in most cases..


  • #55
    giggsy664
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    this topic came up in a pub discussion the other night, i know 2 lads who claim to have aspergers (self diagnosed with an internet symptom check sheet) and it got me thinking, in the last few years these new 'conditions' have been appearing, anyone ive heard of with these 'conditions' just hides behind it as an excuse to use drugs or be a recluse or why they cant get laid , anyone else think these conditions are just a load of bull ?


    *noticed the misspelling in thing, its supposed to be think, f*ck off grammer fags

    Did you do that on purpose?


  • #56
    Dragan
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    this topic came up in a pub discussion the other night, i know 2 lads who claim to have aspergers (self diagnosed with an internet symptom check sheet) and it got me thinking, in the last few years these new 'conditions' have been appearing, anyone ive heard of with these 'conditions' just hides behind it as an excuse to use drugs or be a recluse or why they cant get laid , anyone else think these conditions are just a load of bull ?


    *noticed the misspelling in thing, its supposed to be think, f*ck off grammer fags

    Indeed. Two morons down the pub self diagnose themselves so clearly these long studied illnesses are fake.

    Well done, i think this is somehow a new low for human intelligence.


  • #57
    Whosbetter?
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    Just looked at this.

    In days gone by these things were described as 'being quirky' or just 'bold'.

    Now they have names for it all.

    Well, I s'pose it gives some people excuses for themselves & makes money for others who can exploit the situation:rolleyes:

    Modern society. Much weakness.


  • #58
    TequilaMockingBird
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    Dragan wrote: »
    Indeed. Two morons down the pub self diagnose themselves so clearly these long studied illnesses are fake.

    Well done, i think this is somehow a new low for human intelligence.

    Its the amount of other posters who agree that is the oddest thing about it.

    Google Ads at the bottom of the page are advertising the Gaeltacht for 10-18 year olds. Its not fecking Irish they need to learn.


  • #59
    Orla K
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    I didn't read all the posts but the problem is when people do the self dianosis things on the internet. People need to do a proper test with a proper doctor.

    It's not on your list but I have/had dyslexia. This could only be confermed by a report done. After going through this test, which was really just an IQ test I understand that the guidelines for alot of these are very strict. The best to compare it with is ADD someones attention may be really crap but it may not be crap enough for a doctor to say that the person has ADD.

    I've met people who claim to have dyslexia, and they seemed much better than me(I'm somewhat borderline, depends on the day you get me really).

    It's not the syndromes(suppose that's the best word) that are fake, most likely it's the people.


  • #60
    Masada
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    Of course they are real illnesses, yes, some people would use them as excuses. but that doesn't mean they dont exist and that real people dont suffer from them, especially since your opinions are based on "2 mates down the pub".

    I dont think they should be accepted as excuses as much as they are, I would actually be insulted if an someone took it easy on me based a condition.,


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  • #61
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    meh bad parenting in most cases..
    Whosbetter? wrote: »
    Just looked at this.

    In days gone by these things were described as 'being quirky' or just 'bold'.

    Now they have names for it all.

    Well, I s'pose it gives some people excuses for themselves & makes money for others who can exploit the situation:rolleyes:

    Modern society. Much weakness.

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