WTF - John Carthy tribunal cost over €20m

arybvtcw0eolkf · 14-03-2009 04:37AM

Ironbars wrote: »

Firstly, he never actually fired at the Garda....... before you crazy people run away with yourselves it wasnt like de niro in Heat.He was inside the house firing at the ceiling/wall and when he was outside the house and within clear range of more than one sniper, they should and could have taken the shotgun arm instead of a head shot .

Grow up and learn to read between the lines..........

1. He shot at the police, a garda car was hit and a guard's head was protected when pellets hit the police mega-phone.

2. People are not trained to shot guns out of other people's hands like you see in Hollywood - containing rounds first (shots fired near the armed person to contain them in a certain area) then its either a head shot or a shot at the center of the central mass ie the chest.

3. Its folly, and down right dangerous to think that its an option to shot weapons from someone's grasp, or even a shot to the extremities.

Put in the same situ I'd have absolutely no problem shooting him dead.

bunny shooter · 14-03-2009 04:48AM

He walked out of the house with the shotgun and refused to put it down............only one outcome............and it happened..........tradegy that it happened for his family...............but the Garda that shot him has to live with that for the rest of his life too

bunny shooter · 14-03-2009 04:56AM

Cathooo wrote: »

Yes he did there were bullet holes in the pillars at the gate where gardai were hiding behind.

Just to explain how technically wrong your statement is .............. he had a shotgun, the projectile from them are called pellets, bullets are fired from rifles.

Chances are the pellets if fired at a wall won't leave much of a hole even at close range.

pcworldsucks · 14-03-2009 09:29AM

Can someone tell me tho how it cost 20 FOOKING MILLION? How the hell could it come to that much?

mikemac · 14-03-2009 09:37AM

Barristers cost over 1k a day, possibly more.

And it's likely several were involved here

Aidric · 14-03-2009 09:43AM

The real tragedy here is the Irish taxpayer who has to foot the abnormal legal fees for an unwarranted tribunal of enquiry. The case was a simple black and white one, a mentally unstable guy firing rounds at gardai, gardai return fire to eliminate threat, case closed..or so it should have been.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 14-03-2009 12:02PM

Aidric wrote: »

The real tragedy here is the Irish taxpayer who has to foot the abnormal legal fees for an unwarranted tribunal of enquiry. The case was a simple black and white one, a mentally unstable guy firing rounds at gardai, gardai return fire to eliminate threat, case closed..or so it should have been.

Mmmm, if only it was THAT simple, but this was obviously a hard nut to crack!...

:P

PatrickJr · 14-03-2009 12:05PM

Same old story.

Little irish man wants justice.

The big boys say "we'll give you justice little guy"

And then hand over hundreds of millions of euros to their lawyer mates, laughing all the way at the little man as he picks up the bill.

And justice, I am yet to see a srious veridt from one of the tribunals.

PCros · 14-03-2009 12:27PM

Its a joke that it cost 20 million, and that fat judge on TV defending him...yeah more like defending all the lawyers who made thousands out of it.

Also the FBI were brought in to investigate the whole thing back when it happened, as guess what......they stated that John Carthy should of been shot quicker!

arybvtcw0eolkf · 14-03-2009 12:28PM

PCros wrote: »

Also the FBI were brought in to investigate the whole thing back when it happened, as guess what......they stated that John Carthy should of been shot quicker!

With faster bullets?.

Dyr · 14-03-2009 12:33PM

Aidric wrote: »

The real tragedy here is the Irish taxpayer who has to foot the abnormal legal fees for an unwarranted tribunal of enquiry. The case was a simple black and white one, a mentally unstable guy firing rounds at gardai, gardai return fire to eliminate threat, case closed..or so it should have been.

Black and white? The judge found plenty of serious flaws in how the gardai handled the situation, including that they didnt tell him the truth on certain issues. Maybe if we had a more accountable police force we wouldnt be shelling out for tribunals to look into their shennanigans and more importantly, this guy might still be alive.

black and white me arse.

14-03-2009 12:40PM

Bambi wrote: »

and more importantly, this guy might still be alive.

who cares if he's dead? i'm happier he's gone from society.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 14-03-2009 12:41PM

Bambi wrote: »

more importantly, this guy might still be alive.

.

And wtf sould he still be alive?.

God forbid I'm ever attacked whilst on duty, but if I do I hope one (or all) of my comrades will blown the fvcker all the way back to hell without giving a second thought to 'wooo, what if I'm hit with a tribunal'.

PCros · 14-03-2009 12:45PM

Mairt wrote: »

With faster bullets?.

Em no. Faster trigger fingers!

Pyr0 · 14-03-2009 04:45PM

Mairt wrote: »

Mmmm, if only it was THAT simple, but this was obviously a hard nut to crack!...

:P

We can call it the "Mairt Tribunal". We could probably get a few boardsies in on it too :pac:

K-9 · 14-03-2009 09:03PM

I don't think the problem was the shooting, it was how the Guards handled the siege. €20 million and tribunals are an expensive way of finding out though.

Firetrap · 14-03-2009 10:40PM

Feckin' hell. That €20m would have been far better being spent on hospital beds or special needs kids. Not because some nutter was firing shots at the guards all day and refused to drop his weapon. What did he expect? Tea and cakes at the cop shop?

podge3 · 15-03-2009 12:26AM

Bambi wrote: »

It cost us 20 million in a tribunal because the gardai made a balls of everything up to the point when carthy came out shooting including precipitating the whole tragedy by beating him up while in custody.

You must have watched Rambo 1 recently :rolleyes:

Anto McC · 15-03-2009 02:45AM

hunter164 wrote: »

All the way to Longford, all the way to Longford, to shoot a lunatic.

"On a Longford morning when a new born sun was dawning,
Poor auld Johnny Carthy he was having a one man party,
He's just a little mental (da do do do do),Easily led (da do do do do)
It wasn't accidental when they shot him in the head.

is this the way to Abbeylara,
He only wanted 20 Malboro
and to see his sister, Tara
but they shot him anyway

Sha la la la la la la la Bang bang
Sha la la la la la la la Bang bang
Sha la la la la la la la Bang bang
but they shot him anyway.

danh789 · 15-03-2009 11:55AM

Thank God Jack Bauer isnt Irish or the country would be totally fu!ked paying compensation and tribunals!!!

Fulton Crown · 15-03-2009 08:54PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Who's John Carthy?

Apparently some cnunt from the Midlands who cost us 20 million.....

sam34 · 15-03-2009 09:02PM

irish_bob wrote: »

the guy wasnt the full shilling and had a death wish , it was baschically suicide by cop

there is no proof that he had a "death wish" .

that he was mentally ill is not in doubt.

he may well have been quite paranoid and doing what he considered he needed to do to protect himself.

sam34 · 15-03-2009 09:05PM

irish_bob wrote: »

its difficult for gardai to take pre emptive action against mentally unwell people , take firearems ofd them , have them admitted to hospitals etc , any issue to do with mental health , the liberals own it

this is inaccurate and misleading.

if the gardai have any suspicions that someone is mentally unwell, they have the right, and indeed the duty, to have them assessed by a doctor.

they basically fill out a form, detain the person, and then get a gp to assess them.

if the go believes they need psychiatric intervention, the gp fills out another form, and the gardai then bring the person to the local psychiatric hospital.

it's not difficult.

it happens quite frequently.

sam34 · 15-03-2009 09:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

who cares if he's dead? i'm happier he's gone from society.

Mairt wrote: »

And wtf sould he still be alive?.

emmm, because he basically was a man with serious mental health problems.

he posed a danger to others, im not denying that, but the tragedy was possibly preventible.

the seriously mentally ill are one of the most vulnerable groups in society and i dont think the good riddance response is humane or fair.

mental illness could happen to any one of us, our families or friends.

whats next, pre-emptively eliminating all the mentally ill from society?

Dyr · 15-03-2009 09:20PM

podge3 wrote: »

You must have watched Rambo 1 recently :rolleyes:

Never seen a rambo film in me life, have you watched The Idiots recently?

homerjay2005 · 16-03-2009 11:56AM

this thread has restored my faith in after hours!

so where did this 20 million go - lawyer fees? this f8cking case was a farce from the start and as the FBI official said on the first independant inquiry, they should have shot him earlier. that should have been enough, there was no need to take this further. shocking shocking stuff and indicitive of the way this country has wasted everything over the past 10 years.

if this happened now, the family would be told to sod off.

Dyr · 16-03-2009 12:25PM

K-9 wrote: »

I don't think the problem was the shooting, it was how the Guards handled the siege. €20 million and tribunals are an expensive way of finding out though.

I'll just quote this repeatedly in the hope that it'll sink in at some stage.

LeixlipRed · 16-03-2009 12:29PM

Fantastic to see compensation paid to the family of a man who was shot because he was a bit simple and had gone off the rails (He never shot at the police as some have already pointed out). One of the most disgusting acts of police brutality ever seen in this country. When they're not pinning murders on people, they're actually murdering people. Scum

dr.bollocko · 16-03-2009 12:54PM

LeixlipRed wrote: »

When they're not pinning murders on people, they're actually murdering people. Scum

Bit of an unfair generalisation there buddy no?

irish_bob · 16-03-2009 01:50PM

sam34 wrote: »

this is inaccurate and misleading.

if the gardai have any suspicions that someone is mentally unwell, they have the right, and indeed the duty, to have them assessed by a doctor.

they basically fill out a form, detain the person, and then get a gp to assess them.

if the go believes they need psychiatric intervention, the gp fills out another form, and the gardai then bring the person to the local psychiatric hospital.

it's not difficult.

it happens quite frequently.

are you in medicine

WTF - John Carthy tribunal cost over €20m

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