2 Dead several others shot outside Army base Antrim

jaybo1 · 09-03-2009 01:56AM

midlandmissus has posted the stupidest post in the history of the internet.

mairt - get over yourself

on topic - this is disgusting and comparing it to "ongoing" occupation is just stupid.

there is no way this can be admired or condoned, it is wrong. whoever did this needs to be found and shot in the face.

sdanseo · 09-03-2009 01:59AM

bug wrote: »

F**kers.
No shopping on the cheap for us now for the fear of getting dragged out a a car by some fourteen year old loyalist thinking he's is justified in killing someone with a southern reg crossing the border, in ehm...retalliation. I'm being caustic, but the balance has been completley messed up.

...and you certainly won't be the only one. A sad but deliberate attempt to frighten people into staying at home, maybe?

The RIRA say they want a united Ireland? Well, so do I. But I have a brain in my head and I've learned by now that this isn't the way to get it.

Utter scum of the earth. The retaliation won't be pretty.

ScumLord · 09-03-2009 02:13AM

I'm not able to follow this thrwead cause I'm so drunk. But Mairt is sound!"!

FACT!

Gummy Panda · 09-03-2009 02:16AM

mumhaabu wrote: »

A war economy on Northern Ireland may be our best bet to stave off the situation and have Southern Forces directly engage the British Army in Northern Ireland and finish the 800 year conflict finally.

That has to be the most insane idea in this thread.

Rep. of Ireland forces vs British forces, I wonder who would win. How many naval vessels have we got and how many better class vessels and subs does Britain have? Infact they could just take us out in a day with RAF strikes.

You do know a war economy involves turning all industry into substaining the war and makes all industrial factilies into targets?

bug · 09-03-2009 02:16AM

sdonn_1 wrote: »

...and you certainly won't be the only one. A sad but deliberate attempt to frighten people into staying at home, maybe?

The RIRA say they want a united Ireland? Well, so do I. But I have a brain in my head and I've learned by now that this isn't the way to get it.

Utter scum of the earth. The retaliation won't be pretty.

I find it all a bit...strange, I heard, read, something last week about bringing in some troops to combat a "threat" and then, this threat materialises within a week?

My questions...
Why now?
Why at all?

It just doesn't make any real sense to me. I suppose I'm too far removed from all of this to see the full political landscape without crying
a) opportunist, bored, misled, scummer, with teenage idealist agenda (for latter see politics forum)
or b) foul.

sdanseo · 09-03-2009 02:33AM

bug wrote: »

I find it all a bit...strange, I heard, read, something last week about bringing in some troops to combat a "threat" and then, this threat materialises within a week?

My questions...
Why now?
Why at all?

It just doesn't make any real sense to me. I suppose I'm too far removed from all of this to see the full political landscape without crying
a) opportunist, bored, misled, scummer, with teenage idealist agenda (for latter see politics forum)
or b) foul.

It does seem a bit of a coincidence all right, but I'm inclined to think that maybe the RIRA just picked up on Orde's comment. We may never know.

princess-sprkle · 09-03-2009 03:10AM

Local-womanizer wrote: »

Arent the IRA officially designated terrorists now?

Back in the days I'd would have called them freedom fighters.

I think so. an awful lot has changed since 9/11 as regards perception of terrorist groups.

I don't think that you can legitimately call them freedom fighters though, they are terrorists as they engage in terrorist acts. if you agree with their aims you might see them as freedom fighters but they are terrorists. I don't even know if that makes sense.

tis a sad day, seemed like so much progress had been made in the last decade.

anonymous_joe · 09-03-2009 03:50AM

Say what you want about the conflict between Catholic/Protestant, Nationalist/Unionist, Irish/British, but shooting pizza delivery men? Come on, that's just pathetic.

The glamour of terrorism is long since gone. There's no romance to it anymore. Add to that, I fail to see the point, there's a democracy up north now, they'll go the way the people want. They have Home Rule... What can they want more than that? Do they want to force a largely Protestant country into the Republic? Or are these lads cut from the same cloth as the old marxist provos?

ScumLord · 09-03-2009 03:56AM

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Say what you want about the conflict between Catholic/Protestant, Nationalist/Unionist, Irish/British, but shooting pizza delivery men? Come on, that's just pathetic.

That really brouyght it home for every body.

anonymous_joe · 09-03-2009 04:07AM

ScumLord wrote: »

That really brouyght it home for every body.

Glad to help.

amacachi · 09-03-2009 06:03AM

bug wrote: »

F**kers.

No shopping on the cheap for us now for the fear of getting dragged out a a car by some fourteen year old loyalist thinking he's is justified in killing someone with a southern reg crossing the border, in ehm...retalliation. I'm being caustic, but the balance has been completley messed up.

These people are either idiots with no long term view of the political landscape that lay in their favour, or idiots who just wanted a kill. It doesn't make any real sense to me. And reading the politics forum, my god, car crash city, but expected...

Either way, I personally won't be heading North until I see the lay of the land.

F**kers.

Once ya drive straight into Newry via the A1 ya won't pass many Loyalists. And if a 14 year old could drag you out of your car I don't think you're old enough to be driving :P

phasers · 09-03-2009 07:23AM

People I've spoken to said they won't go shopping up there now. Well played Biffo.

newballsplease · 09-03-2009 07:39AM

God knows what could happen over this, men lost their lives. Terrible scenes....................................................

AND YER ON ABOUT SHOPPING?:eek::mad:

phasers · 09-03-2009 07:47AM

newballsplease wrote: »

God knows what could happen over this, men lost their lives. Terrible scenes....................................................

AND YER ON ABOUT SHOPPING?:eek::mad:

Yes.

furtzy · 09-03-2009 09:30AM

Having grown up in Belfast in the height of the Troubles I'm saddened but not surprised at this shooting. Unfortunately months if not years of political in-fighting and feet dragging in Stormount has created a vacuum which the dissidents fill. At ground level attitudes haven't changed that much in the North. Loyalist and Republican ideals haven't been dropped.

tfitzgerald · 09-03-2009 09:50AM

darkman2 wrote: »

Now let's see, am I missing one?

Real IRA
Provisional IRA
Continuity Irish Republican Army
I can't Believe it's not the IRA
Irish National Liberation Army

A guide to IRA splinter groups shows the Real IRA is quite insignificant in numbers.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9239/

i think this a great answer

SEPT 23 1989 · 09-03-2009 10:26AM

darkman2 wrote: »

Now let's see, am I missing one?

Real IRA
Provisional IRA
Continuity Irish Republican Army
I can't Believe it's not the IRA
Irish National Liberation Army

A guide to IRA splinter groups shows the Real IRA is quite insignificant in numbers.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9239/

have you forgotten "the artists formally known as the IRA"

littlebug · 09-03-2009 10:47AM

newballsplease wrote: »

God knows what could happen over this, men lost their lives. Terrible scenes....................................................

AND YER ON ABOUT SHOPPING?:eek::mad:

you're missing the point(s). It's not just about the shopping. It's about the fact that people are scared and are going to modify their usual behaviour because of the threat of being bombed/ shot and the knock on effect that will have on the country. You said yourself "God knows what could happen over this". I know what will happen- retaliation. Lets see where's a good place to get a bunch of Catholics.. hmm well Armagh gets a fair few Tadghs up doing their shopping on a Saturday. Actually better again they can skip over the border and be sure of getting lots of Catholics. Most people on boards won't remember the 1974 Dublin/ Monaghan bombings. I do- I was 4 and didn't quite understand but I remember the tension and fear. I remember my father pointing out the spot where the man was killed in Monaghan and knowing that something really bad had happened.

The northern economy is fecked straight away with the impact this will have on both retail and tourism. By default that will impact on the rest of the country. The retaliation attack will happen and could happen in any form anywhere on this island. What's that going to do for our already fooked economy? Tourism?

We're right back in the friggin' 1980s all because some scum who probably weren't out of nappies when all this was happening before decided things weren't moving quickly enough for them.

Sorry- I'm feeling rather pessimistic today:(

dancing_d · 09-03-2009 10:49AM

Couldn't believe it when my Mum said this had happened.
All my relatives live up North and have done all their lives.
NI people do NOT condone/ invite or want this shameful, cowardly behaviour. Those RIRA punks are just little boys with a warped sense of self importance.
They are pointless low lifes who do not deserve to exist.

I don't like the fact that there are still British Troops in NI but if the objective is to "get them out" - killing them & therefore inviting more to protect & serve NI is NOT a good bl**dy option?!?!?!!?

Murder is murder no matter what flag you hide behind.

Kinetic^ · 09-03-2009 11:10AM

Freedom fighters? Lol,they're terrorists. It was probably the consumer association of ireland,to scare people to stop shopping up north.

Probably 1for the CT forum though.

Terry · 09-03-2009 11:13AM

phasers wrote: »

People I've spoken to said they won't go shopping up there now. Well played Biffo.

Ahh, now that's stretching it a bit too far.

stovelid · 09-03-2009 11:33AM

phasers wrote: »

People I've spoken to said they won't go shopping up there now. Well played Biffo.

Cowen must table a meeting with Shaun Woodward this instant.

The voices of Irish bargain hunters must not be drowned out by trivial concerns like the collapse of the Belfast Agreement.

stovelid · 09-03-2009 01:01PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

.....

That's why I've taken a wee holiday from NI politics threads of late. Sometimes, it's like turning over rocks and seeing what's wriggling underneath.

Gummy Panda · 09-03-2009 01:21PM

Terry wrote: »

Ahh, now that's stretching it a bit too far.

Yep. Biffo isn't that smart

prinz · 09-03-2009 01:25PM

Border-Rat wrote: »

Wait a minute, you call walking, on foot, through the front gate of a military barracks with automatic weapons cowardly? Especially with heightened SAS activity, who like to hide in bushes in such ambushes?.

I'd call (a) shooting from a car in a drive-by shooting, OUTISDE the gates of the barracks at UNARMED men-in-uniform and civilains, then (b) walking over to the injured and wounded men and executing them on the ground an extreme act of corwardice. MURDERING SCUM. I'd love to see the SAS get to those responsible before the PSNI do, or else we'll all hear about their civil rights for x, y and z. The same pigs who couldn't give two men the right to earn a living without being gunned down, and two soldiers the right to eat a pizza in peace the night before they were to be withdrawn from Northern Ireland. Downright scum. It's a race between Gerry's hitsquad and the British now, to wipe these animals of the planet. And good riddance.

midlandsmissus · 09-03-2009 01:27PM

jaybo1 wrote: »

midlandmissus has posted the stupidest post in the history of the internet.

Why don't you elaborate your point instead of hiding behind petty insults;

Don't call me stupid again.

Post reported.

09-03-2009 01:29PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Yep. Biffo isn't that smart

I would agree

javaboy · 09-03-2009 01:35PM

littlebug wrote: »

Lets see where's a good place to get a bunch of Catholics.. hmm well Armagh gets a fair few Tadghs up doing their shopping on a Saturday.

If you mean Catholics, just say Catholics.

jaybo1 wrote: »

midlandmissus has posted the stupidest post in the history of the internet.

mairt - get over yourself

There have been repeated warnings already to cut out personal remarks. Warning given.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 09-03-2009 01:56PM

prinz wrote: »

two soldiers the right to eat a pizza in peace the night before they were to be withdrawn from Northern Ireland.

You forget to mention that their unit, as part of the British war machine was deploying to the killing fields of Afghanistan - I'm reminded of the words from The Ballad of Joe McDonald..

"And you dare to call me a terrorist
While you look down your gun
When I think of all the deeds that you have done
You have plundered many nations, divided many lands
You have terrorized their peoples, you rule with an iron hand
And you brought this reign of terror to my land "

And finally to the oration given by Pearce over Rossa's grave..

""Life springs from death; and from the graves of patriot men and women spring living nations. The Defenders of this Realm have worked well in secret and in the open. They think that they have pacified Ireland. They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think that they have foreseen everything, think that they have provided against everything; but, the fools, the fools, the fools! — They have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace."

My personal opinion is that these people (the gunmen) are murdering bastards who next week might decide to shoot dead a protestant man in front of his family, or throw a bomb into a protestant church.

But the blood of Irish freedom fighters run's very deep, and scratch the surface of our beautiful country and there's still a seeping, festering wound unhealed and it'll never go away until we have a free and undivided 32 county Ireland.

But our path to that freedom now lies in peaceful & democratic means, it lies in the ballot box and not the Armalite.

.

Fratton Fred · 09-03-2009 02:04PM

Mairt wrote: »

You forget to mention that their unit, as part of the British war machine was deploying to the killing fields of Afghanistan - I'm reminded of the words from The Ballad of Joe McDonald..

"And you dare to call me a terrorist
While you look down your gun
When I think of all the deeds that you have done
You have plundered many nations, divided many lands
You have terrorized their peoples, you rule with an iron hand
And you brought this reign of terror to my land "

And finally to the oration given by Pearce over Rossa's grave..

""Life springs from death; and from the graves of patriot men and women spring living nations. The Defenders of this Realm have worked well in secret and in the open. They think that they have pacified Ireland. They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think that they have foreseen everything, think that they have provided against everything; but, the fools, the fools, the fools! — They have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace."

My personal opinion is that these people (the gunmen) are murdering bastards who next week might decide to shoot dead a protestant man in front of his family, or throw a bomb into a protestant church.

But the blood of Irish freedom fighters run's very deep, and scratch the surface of our beautiful country and there's still a seeping, festering wound unhealed and it'll never go away until we have a free and undivided 32 county Ireland.

But our path to that freedom now lies in peaceful & democratic means, it lies in the ballot box and not the Armalite.

.

I take it you will be resigning from the Irish defence Force then as they are also engaged in the killing fields of Afghanistan.

2 Dead several others shot outside Army base Antrim

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