Cork Hurling Manager?

donkeyford · 04-03-2009 01:18PM

PROC website back!!!!!:P

The_Banker · 04-03-2009 01:20PM

donkeyford wrote: »

PROC website back!!!!!:P

The site is back... But not the forum...

KerranJast · 04-03-2009 01:22PM

Hawk Wing wrote: »

so suggesting that certain members of CCC were breaking the law or engaging in lewd sexual practices is not actionable!!!

Of course its objectionable but its a public forum and like here objectionable content is removed by moderators when reported. Are you suggesting if I make up some nasty rubbish about Frank et al and post it here Boards.ie should be served with a writ?

donkeyford · 04-03-2009 01:23PM

Hawk Wing wrote: »

so suggesting that certain members of CCC were breaking the law or engaging in lewd sexual practices is not actionable!!!

Breaking what law? where was that mentioned?

Langer Dan · 04-03-2009 01:25PM

donkeyford wrote: »

I don't ever remember the server being down for so long..

It's been down for days at a time before.

I'd imagine twas just a glitch.

Untilt heres a verifiable source I'd be taking talk of writs and injunctions with a healthy dose of salt.

donkeyford · 04-03-2009 01:27PM

If you are referring to a certain gentlemans tax evasion then theres nothing libellous about posting that on a forum.. as for lewd sexual practices of another person, there's nothing libellous or actionable about posting that either if one has proof..

The_Banker · 04-03-2009 01:34PM

PROC and its forums are back.

It appears my source was incorrect. Apologies to all.

The_Banker · 05-03-2009 12:34PM

Marching In March

“It is not those who inflict the most
but those who can suffer the most who will prevail."
Terence McSweeney

On February 7th last the people of Cork met in the city centre to send out a message.
This message was simple. It was an expression of solidarity with a group of men who have spent most of their lives with one aspiration – to represent the people of this County and bring home the kind of success the people of Cork deserve.

This message, {like so many aspects of the organisation} was neglected and largely ignored by those that safeguard the games for us all, with a casual scorn poured upon official numbers as non-members and shoppers. Insulting the people you rely upon for support is more than simply biting the hand that feeds.

Michael Moynihan recently wrote that “The suggestion that the marchers were semi-detached fans or Saturday shoppers has also rebounded spectacularly; if those marchers weren’t GAA members it’s yet another constituency the Cork County Board executive has alienated — the ‘casual’ fan.
The GAA elite, the GAA grassroots, the GAA’s top box-office draw, the GAA support: is there any group the Cork County Board can’t alienate?”

And it is through that deep sense of alienation that we call passionately upon people one more time to continue showing such resilience in trying times.

We call on all the people that the GAA hierarchy in Cork have managed to alienate and use this once in a lifetime opportunity to make their voices heard.

We call on all men and women from every part of the County, from Bantry to Ballycotton, from Crosshaven to Castletownbere, from the player that leads out his beloved club mates on County final day to the last person out of the dressing room who switches off the lights.

We call on disaffected administrators and former players to re engage.

We call on the volunteers, clubmen and clubwomen, who wash jerseys, line pitches and clean dressing rooms, make tea and sandwiches, organise lotto tickets, medal ceremonies, drive cars and train and coach the children and the future of our organisation, the chairmen secretaries and treasurers who fix matches and fill out forms so the supporter can enjoy the big days in Croke Park and Thurles.

And finally to those very same supporters we call on you who demonstrated so willingly a month ago to once again show our inter- county players the sacrifice they make on our behalf will never be lost or forgotten, neglected or ignored.

Next Sunday will be a defining day in Cork Sport.
The clubs will return a verdict on the current predicament and the matter will draw ever closer to a conclusion.
Meanwhile our footballers take to the field on Sunday afternoon
at Páirc Ui Chaoimh and they deserve our unfailing support and gratitude.

It is there and then that we, supporters of Cork GAA, will get one final opportunity to show the players they have a mandate from the ordinary people of this great County.
That we refuse to be ignored by the intransigence of the board.
That it is the players who we believe in to further the aims and ambitions of the County while delivering on the hopes and dreams of us all.
And the sense of disenfranchisement we all feel is no longer acceptable if we are to nurture Cork GAA into the future.

We are a proud people in Cork. We love our hurling and our football.
In the words of Timmy MacCarthy ‘all we want is what’s best for our families, best for our clubs and best for Cork.’
Why should we settle for anything less?

Kennedy Park 1.30pm On Sunday
Cork Supporters, family members and people of all ages
are requested to convene to March to Pairc Ui Chaoimh.
In support of our Players –both Hurling and Football
The Peoples Republic of Cork…

Daysha · 05-03-2009 03:30PM

Good article by former Cork manager John Allen in the Times today:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0305/1224242303966.html

Agamemnon · 05-03-2009 05:13PM

Youghal votes 37-13 in favour of the players: http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0305/cork.html

autograph · 05-03-2009 06:19PM

We've all heards the rumours but let's not go there.
I do feel sorry for Gerald McCarthy. He has much to be proud of for his achievements in the past. The momentum is now well and truly with the players, against the County Board. For Gerald's own dignity, I really would prefer to see him go, before he is pushed.
We all know, however, that Gerald McCarthy is not the root of the problem. There will have to be a major shake up in the Cork County Board.

autograph · 05-03-2009 06:28PM

Gerald is credited with saying that genuine fans are those going to the matches now (ie. those of us boycotting the Cork matches are NOT genuine fans).
Sorry, Gerald but that just shows the lack of understanding by Gerald and the Cork Co. Board of the fans who travel the country, paying up to 70 Euro a head for matches- the revenue that keeps the GAA going.
I know countless people who will never go to a Cork match again, so long as the Cork County Board remains in the state that it is in, with the current personnel at the helm and is so incredibly far removed from the wishes of the genuine Cork fan(who pays for tickets throughout the year)
I suppose it won't be until the finances start to hit, that the 'penny' will finally drop at Cork Co. Board HQ.

akaredtop · 05-03-2009 06:30PM

But Gerald McCarthy leaving will not be enough for the players.They want Murphy's head on a plate.

Orizio · 05-03-2009 08:48PM

Everyone in Cork county wants Frank Murphy's head on a plate.

I have no doubt that if Gerald resigns the players would come back.

Daysha · 05-03-2009 11:11PM

Orizio wrote: »

Everyone in Cork county wants Frank Murphy's head on a plate.

I have no doubt that if Gerald resigns the players would come back.

Neither do I, but how long they're willing to play under a Frank Murphy regime remains to be seen, especially if he tries to get up to his old tricks again if a new manager needs to be appointed.

Orizio · 07-03-2009 02:02AM

Looks good to me.

Cork clubs vent anger at County Board
By Brendan Larkin

A DRAMATIC call was made by John O’Brien, Servicing Officer of the Cork and Munster Vocational Schools Councils, for a root and branch analysis of the Cork County Board, at a meeting of all clubs at the Community Hall, Clonakilty last night.

Over 250 representatives (102 clubs, 52 juniors, 50 senior/intermediate) gathered to hear harsh criticism of the officers of the County Board and in particular secretary Frank Murphy, by a host of speakers who expressed their sheer frustration at the impasse involving the 2008 senior hurlers and their coach Gerald McCarthy.

Mr O’Brien said he understood the county secretary will be 65 years old this year and the clubs needed to know what his intentions were regarding the job.

"We also need to know what Mr Murphy’s contract is and I will be asking that at Tuesday night’s meeting at the Rochestown Park Hotel.

"We have been beating around the bush long enough on this issue and getting nowhere. It’s time for courageous decisions to be taken; hard questions need to be asked.

"The Director General Padraic Duffy and President elect Christy Cooney referred to a root and branch analysis needing to be done and I would certainly endorse that."

Clonakilty official John McCarthy said there was a huge communication gap between the County Board and the club.

"There appears to be only a one way track. It’s a shocking way to be treating people who are working extremely hard on the ground promoting the games."

Referring to the recent address of a county board meeting by Gerald McCarthy the Clon delegate said asking the delegates to vote by a show of hands was not the way to conduct business.

"It’s time for the clubs of this county to take back control of our association. I would applaud the players who said they would accept whatever decision the clubs made and would disband.

"If Gerald McCarthy decided to take a similar stand this matter would be over by now. We need new delegates with fresh ideas to represent us at the county board.

"I’m not including the Clonakilty delegate in that but the majority of the present delegates do not reflect the views of their clubs at county board meetings."

‘We reneged on responsibilities and we need to address that’

The Randal Óg delegate said it was time to call a spade a spade. "I cannot understand how a group of people could sit around a table and pick Gerald McCarthy as manager of the senior hurling team know full well that he was not wanted by the players.

"Gerald McCarthy was given two years as coach and he failed miserably. If that happened in my club the manager would be kicked out the door."

The Blarney delegate said it was not as hard as people thing to change the county board. "We have reneged on our responsibilities over the years and we need to address that now, but it can only be done through the structures of the association."

The St Mary’s delegate called on every senior and intermediate club present to force this issue onto the floor at next Tuesday night’s meeting, and put the wishes of their clubs forward.

"I would also call on all divisional officers to hold a meeting and instruct their delegates to vote according to the wishes of the clubs."

The Banteer delegate called for a withdrawal of all clubs from playing activity from the first of April saying that it was one way to get the players back playing.

"It would be interesting to see what the reaction of the board would be if we took that kind of action.

"The county chairman is the man to solve this impasse and he should do what he was elected to do. Gerald McCarthy is being used as a pawn in this struggle."

At the conclusion of the meeting which lasted almost two hours, it was unanimously agreed that the host club would send the following motion to the County Board: "We the Clonakilty GAA Club call on the Cork County board to call a special convention to deal with the present impasse."

Link.

The_Banker · 07-03-2009 02:41AM

The game is up for the CCB.

LeoB · 07-03-2009 06:19PM

Orizio.
You may have tought I was stirring thinks up on you in some of my previous posts, I am head strong but like s**t strrers. but some of the quotes from last nights meeting in Clonakilty I think have the answers
The Blarney and St. Marys delegates hit the nail on the head.

1) The structures and rules are there to be used for the benifet of everyone, not just a few or the elite. The Blarney delegate said
"We reneged on our responsibilites over the years."
Thats a massive statement, well done.

2) The clubs DO have the power to change things if the will is there to do it, and this is a point I was making for quite a while but may not have explained it vey well once they go about it the right way. Dont rush and mess up, examine it and examine it over and over.

The end is in sight and best wishes for rest of 2009

evil-monkey · 08-03-2009 07:34PM

Woooo!! Every time I go away for a few days I come back and there's an extra few 0's on the post count...how am I supposed to keep up with things lads??

As most of you know, I've been behind Gerald and Frank on this one. I'm still behind Gerald, and think the man deserves a lot more than this crap for the years of service he has given Cork hurling at both club and intercounty level.

I've also been behind Frank and the CCB up to now, and still am. As the St Mary's delegate put it, duties were neglected - if our CCB wasn't as democratic as some would have liked, they shouldn't have waited until now to do something about it. Any votes that were cast were cast within the rules of the organisation, and Gerald had every right to take the job, and the CCB every right to appoint him in the way they did. The mechanisms for democracy that are being exercised now were always there, if people and clubs chose not to execute them, when then that's their own fault.

BUT, I will say this, if Frank Murphy and the CCB continue to reject calls for a convention, they will loose my support. A proper convention, with all clubs, both big and small, hurling and football, senior and junior etc etc... Whatever the outcome of that convention, let that be it. There has to be a line drawn in the sand. I am so so sick of this. It's all we talk about in the club now. Young lads are being neglected, clubs split up - it has to end; NOW!! A convention has to be held, a vote cast, and the result of that accepted by BOTH sides of the debate. I'm still on the side of Frank, but if he denies the holding of a PROPER convention, he'll have lost my faith.

Can I ask if anyone has heard anything from the larger hurling clubs on what their official stance is?? A lot of the club delegates I've spoken to over the last two weeks are from football clubs. Any ideas??

Orizio · 08-03-2009 09:50PM

Taken straight from PROC.

News from meeting as follows:
CLOYNE MOTION
for 187. against 0. abstain 48. no decision made 23.

REMOVAL OF GERALD MAC
for 193. against 0. abstain 44. no decision made 21.

The players have now left and the clubs are discussing among themselves.

Daysha · 09-03-2009 01:24AM

Looked like a good crowd at the march there, going by the news. I imagine the CCB and Gerald McCarthy had expected the saga to be forgotten about by this stage in the year. One wonders how much longer the pair of them will last in this climate.

buck65 · 09-03-2009 10:48AM

not too long hopefully for the good of hurling in this country
people that supported this sham management and dictatorial county board on this forum should have a good long think for themselves

evil-monkey · 09-03-2009 01:07PM

buck65 wrote: »

people that supported this sham management and dictatorial county board on this forum should have a good long think for themselves

?? It's comments like this that really sum up the intelligence of some Corkonians. People who supported this "sham management" had every right, absolutely every right. There are still a lot of people who see the value of Gerald Mac to Cork hurling, a value a lot greater than that which they would place on either of us!! This "sham management" had every right to assume a position through which they were appointed. You harp on about democracy, yet people whose point of view differs to yours are put down?? I think it best if you looked up democracy in the dictionary before continuing to preach to us about its merits...

evil-monkey · 09-03-2009 01:37PM

Clubs that have taken no stance;

I know the Barrs aren't, what about:
Glen Rovers
Bride Rovers
Kilworth
Inniscarra

I've heard these clubs listed amongst those not voting. Any ideas??

Also, anyone know what the situation in Bishopstown is?? I heard that there is a fierce ruckus going on there with Honohan on what side and the Shane O'Neill on the other. Can anyone confirm if they've had a vote and if so which way it went??

Also, as regards who'll replace Ger Mac, I can't see Donal O'Grady or John Allen stepping in through their affiliation to the Barrs. Could be wrong, but I reckon they'd just let the dust settle first...

akaredtop · 09-03-2009 01:48PM

Maybe the Cork Hurlers should get over themselves.Stop taking themselves so seriously.They are amateur sportsmen who follow a ball around a field a dozen times a year.They are not splitting the atom or finding a cure for cancer.The way Donal Og and Sean Og go you would swear that their basic human rights are being denied.They should lighten up a bit. No one really cares whether ye play or not at the end of the day.We have enough more important things to be worried about.

Orizio · 09-03-2009 03:24PM

akaredtop wrote: »

Maybe the Cork Hurlers should get over themselves.Stop taking themselves so seriously.They are amateur sportsmen who follow a ball around a field a dozen times a year.They are not splitting the atom or finding a cure for cancer.The way Donal Og and Sean Og go you would swear that their basic human rights are being denied.They should lighten up a bit. No one really cares whether ye play or not at the end of the day.We have enough more important things to be worried about.

Does the term 'troll' mean anything to you? Trust me, no one cares about your pointless and unoriginal opinion either.

E-M, Bishostown are having a vote next week, the Glen and Bride Rovers have voted to stay nuetral.

akaredtop · 09-03-2009 03:53PM

Orizio wrote: »

Does the term 'troll' mean anything to you? Trust me, no one cares about your pointless and unoriginal opinion either.

I am definitely not a Troll.I am a GAA fan.It's just that Cork people think they are the most important thing in the world.Newsflash! You're not. The rest of the country don't care.

Daysha · 09-03-2009 04:09PM

Akaredtop wrote: »

I am definitely not a Troll.I am a GAA fan.It's just that Cork people think they are the most important thing in the world.Newsflash! You're not. The rest of the country don't care.

I think the contradiction in the parts in bold just sums up why not many people are going to take you that seriously with posts like that.

akaredtop · 09-03-2009 05:19PM

deise59 wrote: »

I think the contradiction in the parts in bold just sums up why not many people are going to take you that seriously with posts like that.

Well I know Deise59 ye don't take things too seriously.Ye get rid of a good man like Justin McCarthy and bring in a knob like Davy Fitz.

Daysha · 09-03-2009 06:03PM

akaredtop wrote: »

Well I know Deise59 ye don't take things too seriously.Ye get rid of a good man like Justin McCarthy and bring in a knob like Davy Fitz.

As nice as it to read your extremely enlightening posts, it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic in hand. Either dig up the old Justin McCarthy thread or start a new one by yourself.

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