Cork Hurling Manager?

joulter

If Gerald McCarthy doesn't stay who would you like to see as his replacement? ive heard rumours of Tomas Mulcahy...

The_Kew_Tour

joulter wrote: »

If Gerald McCarthy doesn't stay who would you like to see as his replacement? ive heard rumours of Tomas Mulcahy...

Its a interesting one.

Myself I would not like too see Mulcahy get the job but then again I cant name a person who I would like too see get the job also.

Love too see Justin Macarthy get it but that will never happen.

Little surprised he took on the Limerick job

Anyway back too your question who would you like too see get the job?

Daysha

I thought Gerald had already been offered a 3rd year at the helm no?

Agus

deise59 wrote: »

I thought Gerald had already been offered a 3rd year at the helm no?

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=102550


McCarthy set to resume in Cork

18 October 2008


Gerald McCarthy is set to be offered at least one more year in charge of the Cork senior hurling team at next Tuesday night’s County Board meeting.

Speculation over the Rebels boss’ tenure has mounted since his side exited the All-Ireland SHC at the hands of Kilkenny in August, which brought his two-year term to an official end.


However, McCarthy now looks set to be granted another 12 months at the helm after the committee to select the new Cork manager presents a report on its deliberations at the meeting next week and that the current boss could be offered another two years in charge of the Rebel hurlers.

If indeed McCarthy is re-appointed as Cork manager next Tuesday night his first priority will be to find a new selector to replace Martin Bowen, as he has gone back to manage his native club side Erin’s Own.

Pigletlover

Apparently Gerald McCarthy doesn't have the players support...

From Setanta

Gerald McCarthy has revealed that a number of Cork players asked him not to accept the position of hurling boss for another two years.

McCarthy, who on Tuesday night received the backing of the county board for another two-year term, has called on the Cork hurling panel to rally around him for the good of the game in the Rebel county.

"I met with two players on Monday and they spoke to me about the process that saw my name go forward for ratification and that they felt it was wrong," McCarthy told the Evening Echo.

"I listened to them and to be fair I met with them again on Tuesday morning and this time there was nine players, a mixed bag of young and old and this time they requested that I not accept the job as hurling manager.

"I refused. I don't believe in player power per se, I judge issues on their merits, and I told them that."

McCarthy, who was in charge of Waterford from 1997 to 2001, added: "I consider it a great honour and privilege to manage this Cork team.

"It is not about individuals, it is about preparing the best players we have in the best possible manner with the one common goal and that is winning the All-Ireland title.

"I am looking forward to working with the players. We face a huge challenge in the next two years."

Sixty three-year-old McCarthy, regarded as one of the greatest hurlers to don the red of Cork, gave the players as much support as possible throughout the Semplegate affair and the much publicised strike that saw a deal struck in which representatives from both Cork's hurling and football squads would be on the committee to appoint a new manager.

According to some reports, up to nine players are ready to walk, let them off I say.

Daysha

Here we go again...

Orizio

God only knows why he is getting another two years, we have gone nowhere with him in charge...

Oh wait, thats right. The Cork County Board is full of idiots who do things to piss the rest of us off. Of course, how silly of me to forget.

premierstone

Orizio wrote: »

God only knows why he is getting another two years, we have gone nowhere with him in charge...

Oh wait, thats right. The Cork County Board is full of idiots who do things to piss the rest of us off. Of course, how silly of me to forget.

Been a bit harsh on the CCB there I think Orizio, firstly Gerald McCarthy has by no stretch of the imagination done a bad job (he has an ageing team who he has kept very competitve) and also the current Cork hurling squad seem to think they can do and demand whatever they like about time someone stood up to them i say!!

Orizio

I didn't say he did a bad job, I've said he has done a nothing job. We've stood still with him in charge.

And what right have you to say what the Cork squad thinks or demands? You are on first name terms with the lot of them?

premierstone

Orizio wrote: »

I didn't say he did a bad job, I've said he has done a nothing job. We've stood still with him in charge.

And what right have you to say what the Cork squad thinks or demands? You are on first name terms with the lot of them?

Their on record as saying what they think and demand and no i dont know them on first name terms and tbh I'm glad i dont because they behave and act like spoilt children, it is widely accepted within GAA circles that these are one of the best, if not the best, looked after panel of players, yet all we ever hear is moaning and threats

Orizio

Complete crap. Calling people you don't know 'spolit children' across the internet is truly pathetic.

They went on strike - once - because the Cork County Board was trying to take away something that every county management in the game has . People honestly seem to think that the last 50 years of Cork GAA have been nothing but strikes, 'threats' and 'moaning'. Is it not possible that the Cork County Board is full of ****?

premierstone

Orizio wrote: »

Complete crap. Calling people you don't know 'spolit children' across the internet is truly pathetic.

They went on strike - once - because the Cork County Board was trying to take away something that every county management in the game has . People honestly seem to think that the last 50 years of Cork GAA have been nothing but strikes, 'threats' and 'moaning'. Is it not possible that the Cork County Board is full of ****?

Well I assume Orizio that all these players are members of their local clubs, who in turn appoint the county board, so if they have a problem that is how they should attempt to resolve it and not by makeing threats, using the media and undermineing their democratically appointed manager.

Me calling the cork hurlers ''spoilt children across the internet is pathetic'' but you describing the CCB as ''full of ****'' is perfectly acceptable???

Orizio

Perfectly acceptable. The CCB is a well known joke down here, unlike the county panel. Frankly, if the CCB and Donal Og disapeared tomorrow I wouldn't shed a tear.

Waylander

Orizio wrote: »

Perfectly acceptable. The CCB is a well known joke down here, unlike the county panel. Frankly, if the CCB and Donal Og disapeared tomorrow I wouldn't shed a tear.

A year ago I was onside with the Cork Hurlers. This year I think they are throwing their teddy out sulking because they cant get their own way. They are behaving like spoilt children and are pathetic! I hope the lot of them retire at this stage.

Orizio

Waylander wrote: »

A year ago I was onside with the Cork Hurlers. This year I think they are throwing their teddy out sulking because they cant get their own way. They are behaving like spoilt children and are pathetic! I hope the lot of them retire at this stage.

What have they actually done 'this year'? Absolutely nothing.

The media is making a mountain out of a molehill...as usual.

Waylander

Orizio wrote: »

What have they actually done 'this year'? Absolutely nothing.

The media is making a mountain out of a molehill...as usual.

Well they started making a fair bit of noise but have found out public opinion will be strongly against them, even in Cork, so I am guessing they will zip up now. If not, I think we should have a year without Cork hurlers in the championship.

The_Kew_Tour

Orizio wrote: »

Complete crap. Calling people you don't know 'spolit children' across the internet is truly pathetic.

They went on strike - once - because the Cork County Board was trying to take away something that every county management in the game has . People honestly seem to think that the last 50 years of Cork GAA have been nothing but strikes, 'threats' and 'moaning'. Is it not possible that the Cork County Board is full of ****?

Agree with you 100% there.

Is funny listening to people from other counties giving out about Cork all the time stikes etc...

At least the players had the balls to stand up and fight for something that has been long going on for long time in Cork GAA.

Too many GAA people are yes men sucking upto everything.

I have seen many young players not coming through in Cork because they dont come from a particular part of the county.

I know a guy who scored 2-4 in an minor munster final before half time he was in the dressing room at half time and was told he was been taken off. You know what the selector told him afterwards that it was a mistake that was bull he was taken off because he was not from the right club.

The players only wanted to have a say in few IMPORTANT things and lets be honest the players deserve some right

Maybe if other counties did same ya might see more improvement overall.

Also kind of funny that so many people hate Frank Murphy so much as he apparently gets Cork everything but these same people then give out about the Cork players talk about Bull

Orizio

Waylander wrote: »

Well they started making a fair bit of noise but have found out public opinion will be strongly against them, even in Cork, so I am guessing they will zip up now. If not, I think we should have a year without Cork hurlers in the championship.

If anyone made 'noise', it was Donal Og, not the panel. So nothing has happened basically, and its a case of people getting caught up in more media bull****.

Players have a right to talk about the manager in private or in public. But I'm glad you want to start banning teams because a couple of players dare express their right to free speech. :rolleyes:

Orizio

adrian280582 wrote: »

Agree with you 100% there.

Is funny listening to people from other counties giving out about Cork all the time stikes etc...

At least the players had the balls to stand up and fight for something that has been long going on for long time in Cork GAA.

Too many GAA people are yes men sucking upto everything.

I have seen many young players not coming through in Cork because they dont come from a particular part of the county.

I know a guy who scored 2-4 in an minor munster final before half time he was in the dressing room at half time and was told he was been taken off. You know what the selector told him afterwards that it was a mistake that was bull he was taken off because he was not from the right club.

The players only wanted to have a say in few IMPORTANT things and lets be honest the players deserve some right

Maybe if other counties did same ya might see more improvement overall.

Also kind of funny that so many people hate Frank Murphy so much as he apparently gets Cork everything but these same people then give out about the Cork players talk about Bull

Good point, Frank Murphy is a bollocks...unless he is giving it to the Cork panel, and then he is a hero.

Waylander

Orizio wrote: »

If anyone made 'noise', it was Donal Og, not the panel. So nothing has happened basically, and its a case of people getting caught up in more media bull****.

Players have a right to talk about the manager in private or in public. But I'm glad you want to start banning teams because a couple of players dare express their right to free speech. :rolleyes:

I dont want to start banning teams, but I would not be afraid of taking that course of action should I feel the need arose. There is a big difference. The players made it known that 9 of them had a meeting with Mc Carthy asking him not to retake the job, then there was talk of players retiring when they didnt get their way. I am all for players having a say in things, but I think its pathetic for players to threaten strike every time they dont get what they want, which I think is a danger with the Cork hurlers.

Orizio

Waylander wrote: »

I dont want to start banning teams, but I would not be afraid of taking that course of action should I feel the need arose. There is a big difference. The players made it known that 9 of them had a meeting with Mc Carthy asking him not to retake the job, then there was talk of players retiring when they didnt get their way. I am all for players having a say in things, but I think its pathetic for players to threaten strike every time they dont get what they want, which I think is a danger with the Cork hurlers.

Links please, I have yet to see anything about the 9 or 10 players asking for McCarthy to step down, or threatening another strike. Have people come out publicly and said these things?

Regardless, its absurd and self evidently inaccurate to say that they threaten strikes everytime they don't get their way.

Pigletlover

You could just Google it, but to save you the bother...

From the Kerryman

Cork hurling manager Gerald McCarthy has signalled that he has no intention of resigning despite not having the backing of the players.

The St Finbarr's clubman, who was ratified for another two years on Tuesday, has confirmed that the players had asked him not to allow his name to go forward again for the job.

Up to nine players are reportedly threatening to quit the inter-county scene unless the reappointment is revisited.

And as already posted from Setanta

Gerald McCarthy has revealed that a number of Cork players asked him not to accept the position of hurling boss for another two years.

McCarthy, who on Tuesday night received the backing of the county board for another two-year term, has called on the Cork hurling panel to rally around him for the good of the game in the Rebel county.

"I met with two players on Monday and they spoke to me about the process that saw my name go forward for ratification and that they felt it was wrong," McCarthy told the Evening Echo.

"I listened to them and to be fair I met with them again on Tuesday morning and this time there was nine players, a mixed bag of young and old and this time they requested that I not accept the job as hurling manager.

"I refused. I don't believe in player power per se, I judge issues on their merits, and I told them that."

McCarthy, who was in charge of Waterford from 1997 to 2001, added: "I consider it a great honour and privilege to manage this Cork team.

"It is not about individuals, it is about preparing the best players we have in the best possible manner with the one common goal and that is winning the All-Ireland title.

"I am looking forward to working with the players. We face a huge challenge in the next two years."

Sixty three-year-old McCarthy, regarded as one of the greatest hurlers to don the red of Cork, gave the players as much support as possible throughout the Semplegate affair and the much publicised strike that saw a deal struck in which representatives from both Cork's hurling and football squads would be on the committee to appoint a new manager.

premierstone

Orizio wrote: »

If anyone made 'noise', it was Donal Og, not the panel. So nothing has happened basically, and its a case of people getting caught up in more media bull****.

Players have a right to talk about the manager in private or in public. But I'm glad you want to start banning teams because a couple of players dare express their right to free speech. :rolleyes:

Donal og and John Gardiner were selected by the entire panel as their representatives and are acting on their behalf so i really havent a clue what your on about, is it just that you have a personal dislike of Donal Og??

Waylander

Orizio wrote: »

Links please, I have yet to see anything about the 9 or 10 players asking for McCarthy to step down, or threatening another strike. Have people come out publicly and said these things?

Regardless, its absurd and self evidently inaccurate to say that they threaten strikes everytime they don't get their way.

I do not need links for something that has been openly reported for several days. If you have your head buried in the sand there is nothing I can do for you but I heard a discussion about that on my drive home from work on Wednesday evening.

And it is not absurd to say that everytime they dont get what they want they threaten strike, it is pretty accurate. They threatened strike a couple of times in years preceding last year if memory serves correctly, and when 9 players try to force a plan of action I think you can read something into that. As they say, actions speak louder than words.

Orizio

Waylander wrote: »

I do not need links for something that has been openly reported for several days. If you have your head buried in the sand there is nothing I can do for you but I heard a discussion about that on my drive home from work on Wednesday evening.

And it is not absurd to say that everytime they dont get what they want they threaten strike, it is pretty accurate. They threatened strike a couple of times in years preceding last year if memory serves correctly, and when 9 players try to force a plan of action I think you can read something into that. As they say, actions speak louder than words.

Actually it is nosense. So while you may be right that some of the squad have expressed their dislike with Geralds appointment (Wexford and Waterford and others have done the exact same thing over the last year alone btw), its bollocks to say that they are threatening to strike again...

The option to strike again is not on the agenda because the players are bound by the terms of arbitration agreement set out by Kieran Mulvey last February which precludes further strike action.

Link.

As I said, mountian out of a molehill.

Pride Fighter

Waylander wrote: »

This year I think they are throwing their teddy out

They threw their Teddy Holland out last year.
Apologises for terrible joke.

Daysha

You're not going to believe this...

CORK hurling manager Gerald McCarthy may have to field an almost entirely novice team against Tipperary in next year's Munster championship as several leading players won't be available in 2009.

An unprecedented number of high-profile retirements from the current team are expected in the coming months in protest at McCarthy's re-appointment.

According to sources on the team, players will be left to make up their own minds whether or not to come back but the signs are that very few will -- the Sunday Independent understands only two of the 32-man panel have indicated they want to play next year.

This could see the careers of stars like Donal óg Cusack, Diarmuid O'Sullivan, John Gardiner, Ronan Curran, Seán óg ó hAilpín, Tom Kenny, Ben and Jerry O'Connor and Joe Deane coming to an end. Long-serving player Timmy McCarthy and many others, including Niall McCarthy and Shane O'Neill, could also depart the scene.

At a meeting in the Sunset Ridge Hotel last Thursday night, where all bar three of the squad were present, 27 senior hurlers took a decision not to play for the county next season after the outgoing manager was ratified by the board. Earlier in the week, the team had also objected to the selection process that re-appointed the St Finbarr's man.

"Fellows will make up their own minds but there won't be too many coming back," said one player.

On Monday, two team representatives told McCarthy that they had no confidence in him. The manager stood firm, however, and holding his ground, he replied that they could choose to play or not, but he would remain in charge.

"We know that Gerald's selectors told him not to go back, we didn't want him back and we're very surprised he's staying on," the player claimed.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/cork-fall-deeper-into-crisis-as-players-walk-away-1510540.html

If this goes ahead, there'll be only one outcome. Gerald will leave, the players will return, and those cry-babys get their own way again.

This is absolutely disgraceful behavour by the panel. Gerald stuck by those players involved in Semplegate, and now they've just thrown that respect back in his face.

He's done a good job with an ageing team. In both 07 and 08 in Munster they were unfortunate to be drawn against the NHL Champions in fantastic form. They were unlucky not to beat us in the AI QF last year and came up against the best hurling team in a generation this year after very respectable victories against Galway and Clare.

Gerald deserves better than this. Unless the panel see the error of their ways and withdraw what is effectively another all out strike, it will be another dark episode in the history of Cork GAA.

Edit: Just been doing a bit more reading on this and came across a fantastic article in todays Tribune outlining how this all came to blows. Here's the link: http://www.tribune.ie/sport/hurling/article/2008/oct/26/wary-rebels-rise-up-again/. A similar editorial in todays Indo was pretty interesting too: http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/united-they-fall-1510553.html

Also, interesting to point out that even the majority of our friends over at RebelGaa.com and PROC have turned against the players, saying its the wrong course of action.

I'll say it again. The players are doing nobody any favours. They will prematurely end their careers, the fans will be starved of success for years to come, a true Cork legend is being unfairly publicly battered and the few that actually agree with the players will be turned off the CCB even more.

Pride Fighter

It could be a blessing in disguise. Most of the players were the wrong side of 30 anyway. They will have to introduce some young players. If these players are good enough Cork could do well in a few years as they will only get better.
That is scant consolation to Cork supporters who will be shafted in the short-medium term.

evil-monkey

easy there fellas!!

i personally felt Ger did a good job with what he had. we had some great results this year, really memorable victories that showed great heart and character - and so we were beaten by Kilkenny...no one would have beaten them - no one!! Gerard didn't bring back Liam, but he ensured the team held some dignity in a time when, if you ask me, it is really going through a period of transition.

As for the talk of another strike. I hope to f*ck that's not true. For the sake of the players themselves I hope to God they don't walk again. There is no way they will have public support if they walk again. Players can't have a say in the manager, it defeats the purpose of having a manager. We'd all like to pick and choose our own boss - but when it comes down to it, the best man for the job is the best man for the job. I'm not saying that's definitely Ger, but it certainly isn't someone chosen by the people he's expected to drop etc etc...

evil-monkey

deise59 wrote: »

You're not going to believe this...



http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/cork-fall-deeper-into-crisis-as-players-walk-away-1510540.html

If this goes ahead, there'll be only one outcome. Gerald will leave, the players will return, and those cry-babys get their own way again.

This is absolutely disgraceful behavour by the panel. Gerald stuck by those players involved in Semplegate, and now they've just thrown that respect back in his face.

He's done a good job with an ageing team. In both 07 and 08 in Munster they were unfortunate to be drawn against the NHL Champions in fantastic form. They were unlucky not to beat us in the AI QF last year and came up against the best hurling team in a generation this year after very respectable victories against Galway and Clare.

Gerald deserves better than this. Unless the panel see the error of their ways and withdraw what is effectively another all out strike, it will be another dark episode in the history of Cork GAA.

Edit: Just been doing a bit more reading on this and came across a fantastic article in todays Tribune outlining how this all came to blows. Here's the link: http://www.tribune.ie/sport/hurling/article/2008/oct/26/wary-rebels-rise-up-again/. A similar editorial in todays Indo was pretty interesting too: http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/united-they-fall-1510553.html

Also, interesting to point out that even the majority of our friends over at RebelGaa.com and PROC have turned against the players, saying its the wrong course of action.

I'll say it again. The players are doing nobody any favours. They will prematurely end their careers, the fans will be starved of success for years to come, a true Cork legend is being unfairly publicly battered and the few that actually agree with the players will be turned off the CCB even more.

very well put. +1

Daysha

The one thing that annoys me most about this whole thing is their continuing stance that they believe they are not going on strike again with this development. Do they really expect ANYBODY to believe them?

If Gerald stays, the players go. If Gerald goes, the players return.

Thats a strike, no matter what the players will try make you think.

evil-monkey

Orizio wrote: »

Good point, Frank Murphy is a bollocks...unless he is giving it to the Cork panel, and then he is a hero.

so the other guys aren't allowed call the striking players cry babies but you can call Frank Murphy a bollocks??

evil-monkey

Orizio wrote: »

Links please, I have yet to see anything about the 9 or 10 players asking for McCarthy to step down, or threatening another strike. Have people come out publicly and said these things?

Regardless, its absurd and self evidently inaccurate to say that they threaten strikes everytime they don't get their way.

It was all over the Indo man!! I'm a Corkonian myself, but I hate to admit it, if these guys go on strike again they are no better than the pre madonnas they are being made out to be...

evil-monkey

Waylander wrote: »

I am all for players having a say in things, but I think its pathetic for players to threaten strike every time they dont get what they want, which I think is a danger with the Cork hurlers.

i think this is the key point. they just can't threaten strike every time they are aggrieved about something. if Donal Og got a new manager at work he didn't like would he walk? and these guys want to get paid for their services!! i'm the CC are going to jump at paying a bunch of guys that will be on strike half the time. Waylander summed it all up in that sentence; "its pathetic for players to threaten strike every time they dont get what they want"

Orizio

evil-monkey wrote: »

It was all over the Indo man!! I'm a Corkonian myself, but I hate to admit it, if these guys go on strike again they are no better than the pre madonnas they are being made out to be...

THEY CAN'T GO ON STRIKE.

Orizio

evil-monkey wrote: »

so the other guys aren't allowed call the striking players cry babies but you can call Frank Murphy a bollocks??

Did you even read what you quoted? I said people say Frank Murphy is a bollocks, except in the current case where those who usually hate on him are supporting him. Get it now?

Orizio

deise59 wrote: »

The one thing that annoys me most about this whole thing is their continuing stance that they believe they are not going on strike again with this development. Do they really expect ANYBODY to believe them?

If Gerald stays, the players go. If Gerald goes, the players return.

Thats a strike, no matter what the players will try make you think.

Its an individual decision whether to leave the panel because of the manager, so no quite clearly it isn't a strike. Nor has anyone even left yet.

evil-monkey

Orizio wrote: »

Did you even read what you quoted? I said people say Frank Murphy is a bollocks, except in the current case where those who usually hate on him are supporting him. Get it now?

Well you should have written it more clearly then. What you said was "Frank Murphy is a bollocks..." Which would lead me to believe that what you meant was "Frank Murphy is a bollocks"

Orizio wrote: »

THEY CAN'T GO ON STRIKE.

As Deise put it. Just because it's not called a strike doesn't mean it's a strike.

deise59 wrote: »

The one thing that annoys me most about this whole thing is their continuing stance that they believe they are not going on strike again with this development. Do they really expect ANYBODY to believe them?

If Gerald stays, the players go. If Gerald goes, the players return.

Thats a strike, no matter what the players will try make you think.

Exactly.

Orizio wrote: »

Its an individual decision whether to leave the panel because of the manager, so no quite clearly it isn't a strike. Nor has anyone even left yet.

Whether anybody has officially left yet or not, people are getting very very tired of these whingers!! If they don't like the manager, tough. Managers don't have to be liked. Donal O'Grady's brother Dessie coached me for 2 years. I won't say what I thought of him personally, but I will say he was a fantastic manager. Others would probably have it the other way around. Fact of the matter is, boss is the boss. If players could pick whose in charge of them, why not pick someone who's buddy buddy with em and make sure they're all on the team. Kilkenny are making their plans for next year's 4-in-arow, while the Cork team are having their usual string of tea parties and taking ballots.

I say, let em pick their own manager. Let em do it all their own way. But when they don't achieve better than Gerald, ie; beat Kilkenny, they can tuck their tails, come back, and apologise to the man, who, at the end of the day, is just doing his job, as appointed by the people who were appointed by all of us. The way he stuck up for them after the whole incident in Thurles, makes me sick the way they'd turn on him like this.

Daysha

^^^ Pretty much summed up what I was going to reply myself.

Orizio

Well you should have written it more clearly then. What you said was "Frank Murphy is a bollocks..." Which would lead me to believe that what you meant was "Frank Murphy is a bollocks"

Your blaming me for your mistake? Give me a break.

As Deise put it. Just because it's not called a strike doesn't mean it's a strike.

Feel free to look up the term 'strike' in a dictionary.

Beyond that, I'm not going to say whether or not I think the Cork players are right, because I honestly don't know. Undeniably, there are too many big ego's with big mouths in Cork Hurling right now, and they don't just exist on the panel. However, I resent the fact that the media are going to town on this story when there hasn't even been a strike, nor has there been retirements announced, and when players in other counties 'undermine' their managers regurly in a similar manner and it barely gets mentioned. Not to mention the sudden love for Frank Murphy is absurd in the extreme.

Daysha

Orizio wrote: »

Beyond that, I'm not going to say whether or not I think the Cork players are right, because I honestly don't know. Undeniably, there are too many big ego's with big mouths in Cork Hurling right now, and they don't just exist on the panel. However, I resent the fact that the media are going to town on this story when there hasn't even been a strike, nor has there been retirements announced, and when players in other counties 'undermine' their managers regurly in a similar manner and it barely gets mentioned. Not to mention the sudden love for Frank Murphy is absurd in the extreme.

I guess I can understand your unwillingness to "jump on the bandwagon" so to speak, but we are not talking about any old version of player power. This is taking it to an extreme never before seen in the history of the GAA.

You compare the situation down in Cork to happenings elsewhere where players "undermine" their managers, but you feel the media are coming down unfairly heavily on them, correct? Well let me compare this for you:

1) Nowhere else in the country are we seeing the strong possibility of practically an ENTIRE PANEL willing to stand down due to their unhappiness with regards to the current manager.

2) Nowhere else in the country are we seeing a manager who has given so much to his players be so unfairly treated. Gerald showed loyality to the Semplegate players when no one else would. The media know this, and the fact that a similar situation never occured with, say, John Meyler in Wexford means its obvious that the media are going to highlight this case more than others.

3) Nowhere else in the country have we seen such a continous flow of discontent like we have in Cork since 2002. The case in Wexford was the first time many of us heard of such happenings in the county, but that certainly isn't the case here. And given the previous history of disagreements between the players and the board, it's only natural that a more sustained media coverage be put in place here.

4) Cork are one of the most successful countys in the history of the GAA, so again it's only natural that those players are under the spotlight more. If an average League 1 player in England hands in a transfer request, do you think that should get just as much media coverage as Cristiano Ronaldo doing the same thing? Of course not.

Find me a similar case somewhere in the country where 98% of the panel of a successful hurling team contemplates the prospect of retiring because they do not want a certain manager in charge, a man who stuck by them when difficulties arose, and I might reconsider your argument with regards the media.

evil-monkey

Orizio wrote: »

Your blaming me for your mistake? Give me a break.

Feel free to look up the term 'strike' in a dictionary.

Beyond that, I'm not going to say whether or not I think the Cork players are right, because I honestly don't know. Undeniably, there are too many big ego's with big mouths in Cork Hurling right now, and they don't just exist on the panel. However, I resent the fact that the media are going to town on this story when there hasn't even been a strike, nor has there been retirements announced, and when players in other counties 'undermine' their managers regurly in a similar manner and it barely gets mentioned. Not to mention the sudden love for Frank Murphy is absurd in the extreme.

No, I'm blaming you for typing "Frank Murphy is a bollocks..." and expecting me to think you were in his corner.

The fact that you are argueing that this is not technically a strike just appears as desperation. This is effectively a strike. In fact it's worse. In a strike there is an indication that players will be willing to return. In this case, they are just going to walk away completely if they don't get their lollipop.

deise59 wrote: »

I guess I can understand your unwillingness to "jump on the bandwagon" so to speak, but we are not talking about any old version of player power. This is taking it to an extreme never before seen in the history of the GAA.

You compare the situation down in Cork to happenings elsewhere where players "undermine" their managers, but you feel the media are coming down unfairly heavily on them, correct? Well let me compare this for you:

1) Nowhere else in the country are we seeing the strong possibility of practically an ENTIRE PANEL willing to stand down due to their unhappiness with regards to the current manager.

2) Nowhere else in the country are we seeing a manager who has given so much to his players be so unfairly treated. Gerald showed loyality to the Semplegate players when no one else would. The media know this, and the fact that a similar situation never occured with, say, John Meyler in Wexford means its obvious that the media are going to highlight this case more than others.

3) Nowhere else in the country have we seen such a continous flow of discontent like we have in Cork since 2002. The case in Wexford was the first time many of us heard of such happenings in the county, but that certainly isn't the case here. And given the previous history of disagreements between the players and the board, it's only natural that a more sustained media coverage be put in place here.

4) Cork are one of the most successful countys in the history of the GAA, so again it's only natural that those players are under the spotlight more. If an average League 1 player in England hands in a transfer request, do you think that should get just as much media coverage as Cristiano Ronaldo doing the same thing? Of course not.

Find me a similar case somewhere in the country where 98% of the panel of a successful hurling team contemplates the prospect of retiring because they do not want a certain manager in charge, a man who stuck by them when difficulties arose, and I might reconsider your argument with regards the media.

I too would be very interested to hear your answers to these.

techie666

Orizio wrote: »

Good point, Frank Murphy is a bollocks...unless he is giving it to the Cork panel, and then he is a hero.

How can you call Frank Murphy a bollocks when you know **** all about hurling. Orizio, you are talking some amount of ****. Some allmightyfull amount of ****. You are one of these dicks who never played a game of hurling in his life I'd say, and just goes on and on about this and that and does haven't a clue what he's talking about. THE PLAYERS ARE A BUNCH OF GIRLS. THEY HAVE BEEN CRYING ON AND OFF LIKE A PACK OF FANNIES FOR THE LAST DECADE AND WE ARE SICK TO **** OF THEM AND DELUDED FANS LIKE YOU WHO AFE SO BLIND ITS PATHETIC.

evil-monkey

techie666 wrote: »

How can you call Frank Murphy a bollocks when you know **** all about hurling. Orizio, you are talking some amount of ****. Some allmightyfull amount of ****. You are one of these dicks who never played a game of hurling in his life I'd say, and just goes on and on about this and that and does haven't a clue what he's talking about. THE PLAYERS ARE A BUNCH OF GIRLS. THEY HAVE BEEN CRYING ON AND OFF LIKE A PACK OF FANNIES FOR THE LAST DECADE AND WE ARE SICK TO **** OF THEM AND DELUDED FANS LIKE YOU WHO AFE SO BLIND ITS PATHETIC.

:rolleyes: easy there buddy!! let's keep it civil...

Daysha

techie666 wrote: »

How can you call Frank Murphy a bollocks when you know **** all about hurling. Orizio, you are talking some amount of ****. Some allmightyfull amount of ****. You are one of these dicks who never played a game of hurling in his life I'd say, and just goes on and on about this and that and does haven't a clue what he's talking about. THE PLAYERS ARE A BUNCH OF GIRLS. THEY HAVE BEEN CRYING ON AND OFF LIKE A PACK OF FANNIES FOR THE LAST DECADE AND WE ARE SICK TO **** OF THEM AND DELUDED FANS LIKE YOU WHO AFE SO BLIND ITS PATHETIC.

Well you haven't lasted long round these parts....personal insults are a big no-no

Daysha

Getting back on-topic, delighted to see Gerald still sticking to his guns.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2008/1028/cork.html?gaa

smashey

techie666 wrote: »

How can you call Frank Murphy a bollocks when you know **** all about hurling. Orizio, you are talking some amount of ****. Some allmightyfull amount of ****. You are one of these dicks who never played a game of hurling in his life I'd say, and just goes on and on about this and that and does haven't a clue what he's talking about. THE PLAYERS ARE A BUNCH OF GIRLS. THEY HAVE BEEN CRYING ON AND OFF LIKE A PACK OF FANNIES FOR THE LAST DECADE AND WE ARE SICK TO **** OF THEM AND DELUDED FANS LIKE YOU WHO AFE SO BLIND ITS PATHETIC.

Banned for a month for now.

I'll be discussing it with the other mods and might just make it permanent.

Waylander

Jayz Orizio you just keep your head buried in the sand there. There have been murmurs of strike since this story broke, and really the only thing you have demostrated so far in this thread is that you dont really know what you are talking about. You didnt even know that the team had met Mc Carthy to ask him not to accept the role.

If the players do go on strike I look forward to a hurling championship without a Cork team next year, I am gueessing all the other Muster counties are pretty much hoping for that too!

evil-monkey

Waylander wrote: »

Jayz Orizio you just keep your head buried in the sand there. There have been murmurs of strike since this story broke, and really the only thing you have demostrated so far in this thread is that you dont really know what you are talking about. You didnt even know that the team had met Mc Carthy to ask him not to accept the role.

If the players do go on strike I look forward to a hurling championship without a Cork team next year, I am gueessing all the other Muster counties are pretty much hoping for that too!

+1 both points, as much as it pains me to admit to the second

Hitman Actual

deise59 wrote: »

Edit: Just been doing a bit more reading on this and came across a fantastic article in todays Tribune outlining how this all came to blows. Here's the link: http://www.tribune.ie/sport/hurling/article/2008/oct/26/wary-rebels-rise-up-again/. A similar editorial in todays Indo was pretty interesting too: http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/united-they-fall-1510553.html

Two excellent articles. Even though I was dead against the strike last year, and going against the general feeling here I can't help feeling some sympathy for the players. There's nothing worse than playing under a manager that you have no belief or confidence in. It's generally a waste of a year for everyone concerned.

I'm curious how the appointment system works in Cork though: why did the players not canvass their club delegates to the county board to vote against the appointment? 88 votes to 6 is a serious landslide. Something doesn't add up here.

premierstone

lenny_leonard wrote: »

Two excellent articles. Even though I was dead against the strike last year, and going against the general feeling here I can't help feeling some sympathy for the players. There's nothing worse than playing under a manager that you have no belief or confidence in. It's generally a waste of a year for everyone concerned.

I'm curious how the appointment system works in Cork though: why did the players not canvass their club delegates to the county board to vote against the appointment? 88 votes to 6 is a serious landslide. Something doesn't add up here.

From talking to a few guys involved in the club scene in Cork it would appear that the clubs are as fed up with the players as much as most others