2 Dead several others shot outside Army base Antrim

mumhaabu wrote: »

Ireland is in a deep dark economic recession and now fighting begins in the North again, the majority of Irish people face higher taxes a miserable futures, extreme Nationalism is the obvious answer for the masses. While I have sympathy for the soldiers killed in this event, however they are in Northern Ireland as occupational forces and should expect to get killed or have someone try to kill you etc., you don't join the Military for the craic.

There will never be peace proper in Northern Ireland until a United Ireland is achieved, it is fine for people to condemn this now, but wait until the loyalists murder a few Catholic Nationalists, will these people still sympathise with the occupation of our Northern half. I am no hard liner and am a general pacifist but until a United Ireland is achieved, Peaceful means so far have only brought ten 12 years of feet dragging and the height of bigotry from the Unionist majority.

There is dark days ahead in Northern Ireland and when the Tories take Westminster soon with Unionist support it will be back to the 1970's again, like it or lump it, these people want to govern themselves and as the economic situation south of the border deteriorates further, there will be an upsurge in sympathy for those under British rule in the North. Ireland now faces Civil conflict and an Economic Depression coupled to high outward Emigration. A war economy on Northern Ireland may be our best bet to stave off the situation and have Southern Forces directly engage the British Army in Northern Ireland and finish the 800 year conflict finally.

The only thing that is any way accurate or realistic in your post in the bolded part.

As for the rest, where can anyone begin...

* "now fighting begins in the North again" - one incident does not make it a major fight again. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill!

* "occupational forces" - Please, this has been stated already and reported many times during the day on the news, the only part this army occupied was the barracks they were in before they were due to ship out later last night! Here we go, back to the 70's propaganda garbage again! It worked so well the first time around! "occupational forces"!!! - move on in progressive thinking please. I wish some would move on and just stop regurgitating tired and outdated phrases from the 70's.

* "wait until the loyalists murder a few Catholic Nationalists, will these people still sympathise with the occupation of our Northern half" - I suspect that the vast majority on this island moved on, to more modern progressive advantageous thinking and WILL sympathise with anyone that is killed, having sympathy for their family and friends, and rightly so.

* "There is dark days ahead in Northern Ireland" - This is only partly true but I bow to your possible knowledge or am I reading your text in the wrong way, in that your actually hoping for this to happen? Care to back this one up in any way from your possible inside knowledge? You might be right somewhat but only if the art of modern communication, talk, peaceful discussion, economic ties are broken, is killed off too and the bullies get their way. Can't see it happening myself.

* "when the Tories take Westminster soon with Unionist support it will be back to the 1970's again" - Says who exactly? Care to back that claim up or is it just wishful thinking? Just from an an election point of view, I'm guessing that the Tories might not even need the Unionist support anyway (but I could be wrong here easily too). The Unionists want peace, economic, political (home and abroad) ties and communication to be maintained and strengthened. I deeply think the last thing they are going to do, is go back to an ancient military ideology of the gun and create havoc. Sorry, I pass on that notion.

* "these people want to govern themselves" - Really? Funny enough at the last couple of democratic elections, those that were voted for, were for maintaining ties with England and NOT for governing themselves, strange that considering what you are claiming (again without back-up). Its called a democratic process and the people if Ireland north and south are enjoying using the system. The killer bullies might not like that but you can't please people like that anyway. Thankfully their numbers are very few. The fewer the better.

* "Ireland now faces Civil conflict" - Care to back that one up too with accurate detail or is it just a convenient attempt to see yet again something that is not really there? Ireland now faces a credit, economic crises. The last thing that will happen will be infighting in any major or minor form that will have any possible effect other than the rest of the country be glad to see anyone causing unrest, to be taken care of by trial and prison anyway!

* "A war economy on Northern Ireland may be our best bet to stave off the situation and have Southern Forces directly engage the British Army in Northern Ireland and finish the 800 year conflict finally." - I could be wrong but that statement is to me way out there with the faeries in coo-coo land. That personal insight is comical and unrealistic as many mad things have been claimed before... Won't happen - will never happen. Dream on...


O' and as for "extreme Nationalism is the obvious answer for the masses" - Aye, right... It worked so well the first time around in the 70's...
That statement absolutely off the wall and again comical.
Its time for some people in their old ways to finally move on in ways of thinking and actions, else no wonder they are being left behind and feeling isolated.

If it was possible to organise, on the day that these latest victims were laid to rest, everybody that thinks this shooting was a disgrace and a crime, should buy a black armband and wear it for the day or even the hour of their funneral.
The money from the armbands could go to the families of those involved and/or a related charity.
It would also send out a clear message to the killer bullies! Your not wanted, supported, you represent only those that are living in the past, with past ways.

Those that carried out this attack have no respect clearly for our democratic process and as such if they ever gained a foothold, would have subsequently have equal low or no respect for others personal rights.
It was a poor attack on young men and a poor attack on a democratic way of life.