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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭Busi_Girl08


    Coffee shop it looks a bit like...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    Coffee maybe? Probably a front for drugs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Cookie?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Coffei Shop keeper.

    They had idiotic ways of spelling things back then


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    Coffee !

    Looks good. Thanks folks !


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 163 ✭✭Echelle


    Cobbler Shop,I would think.
    (ie shoe repair shop)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Cianos


    It seems to end in an 'i' so I doubt it's coffee.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    I don't think it's a coffee shop.
    Sure would they even have called them "coffee shops" in those days ?
    They would've called it a cafe / tea room of the like.
    Tea being more popular in those days I imagine.

    Also, I studied a little of graphology in my younger days.
    If it was an "ff" in coffee, then the lower part of the "f" would be below the line.

    Seems like Coblri Shop 16..... or Coblri Shop IG.
    They may not have been as literate in those days as we are now.
    When I looked at the 1913 census online, they had a column to say literate or not.

    So it could've meant "Cobblery", as Echelle suggested.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,392 ✭✭✭TequilaMockingBird


    I would be surprised if it was supposed to end in an "i". Could it be an abbreviation? Something to do with Coiffure, as in ladies hair dressers? We know barbers for men, but what were ladies stylists called back then?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Lizzykins


    Looks like cutler to me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,404 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    Ponster wrote: »
    Coffee !

    Looks good. Thanks folks !


    In 1871?

    Looks like C*FL*I


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 163 ✭✭Echelle


    Still think it is cobblers, but spelled as follows :
    Coblr's
    The last letter looks like an "i" but it could be " 's "


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Enlarged it and ran it through filters, etc.

    Here is an enlarged, perhaps clearer version: 2mhwsk6.jpg

    My own best guess is that the the first letter is "C"
    Second letter "O" more so than possible "a" due to a lack of bottom tail on the right side and it is clearly different for the shape of the letter "I's" further up.
    Third letter "f"
    Forth letter "t"
    Fifth and sixth "I"

    As with some stored like "Dunnes Stores" - maybe the store had the owners name (First name beginning with a "K"?) or the name was abbreviated for something else?

    Interesting puzzle and a pleasant change from the usual stuff we get in AH.
    Cheers and good luck with that!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    In 1871?

    Looks like C*FL*I

    In 1871 coffeeshops had been around for over 100 years.


    The woman in question is a widow. I'm guessing that the business she's running is her ex-husbands. Therefore I doubt that she's a cobbler (at 25 years old).


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    Biggins wrote: »
    Enlarged it and ran it through filters, etc.

    Interesting puzzle and a pleasant change from the usual stuff we get in AH.
    Cheers and good luck with that!


    You're welcome! Watch CSI much? :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    Biggins wrote: »
    As with some stored like "Dunnes Stores" - maybe the store had the owners name (First name beginning with a "K"?) or the name was abbreviated for something else?

    Unlikely imo. The other ones all just seem to be trades etc. No names as far as I can see.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Ponster wrote: »
    You're welcome! Watch CSI much? :p

    LOL :pac:

    I do actually. I have to laugh at the short cuts they have to take in their processes (but thats a thread for the tv section).

    As a hobby, for friends and family, I restore/repair/etc old and new pictures.
    It de-stresses this old fogie! :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    javaboy wrote: »
    Unlikely imo. The other ones all just seem to be trades etc. No names as far as I can see.

    True maybe. After the "K" am I seeing things or is there a slight chance of another small character before the clear full stop?
    (Or just the "K" tailing off)
    Himm... :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    Check out the "o" in Lincoln on the right, 3rd line from top. And the "f" in wife on the left of the same line.

    I'm nearly certain it's Coff..... which probably makes it coffee or some variation on coiffure as mentioned already.

    Any more pages Ponster?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    Here's the full page.

    5 lines down there's 'post office clerk' but with different fs.


    http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/ptegan/1871EnglandCensus.jpg


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Would it be safe to assume that the writer of that particular line was the same as the person(s) who filled in the other lines/sections?

    If so we can look at the other lines and see the shape and full form of those letters to perhaps give us a better clue to the un-clearer letters.

    Further example of other areas: 2d77913.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    It clearly says


    "coffin shop keeper"

    What a morbid guy.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    snyper wrote: »
    It clearly says
    "coffin shop keeper"
    What a morbid guy.
    Ooo' never thought of that! Good one. Thumbs up. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭E.T.


    I think it says cutler shop.
    Cutler: One who makes, repairs, or sells knives or other cutting instruments


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 nylon


    looks like "coffin" to me too... except there's no "n".

    my retina stings now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,194 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    First letter - C
    Second - o (no dot above)
    Third - f
    Fourth - T
    Fifth - i
    Sixth - i

    Coftii.....

    UNLESS!!

    If you take the 'f' and the 't', I think he was trying to make a H, zoom in.

    That makes it Cohii and Cohii is Japanese for coffee...

    I just made this case more confusing :S


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,194 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    Actually, when I look in again...

    I'm convinced it's C O F Y I I...cofyii.

    Zoom in, you see the line he drew for the Y, it's a curve.

    What do I win?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭m83


    I think i can make it out.. S t a r b u c k s !?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,800 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    Centra?


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    Ok...I've got another one for you lot.

    Any idea what his profession is (highlighted in red square.


    http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/ptegan/anotherone.jpg




    Name : Parson Constance BAKER
    Born : 1844 : Holt, Norfolk, England


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