Help needed

Ponster

Can someone please take a look at this image from an 1871 England census result.


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/ptegan/census.jpg


What I have highlighted in red is the persons profession and I can make out :


Cxxxx Shop. K.


If the K. is 'keeper' then it's a shopkeeper of sorts but I can't make out the first word.


Any ideas?







*Wrong forum I'm sure but I couldn't think of a better one...

Busi_Girl08

Coffee shop it looks a bit like...

javaboy

Coffee maybe? Probably a front for drugs.

biko

Cookie?

phasers

Coffei Shop keeper.

They had idiotic ways of spelling things back then

Ponster

Coffee !

Looks good. Thanks folks !

Echelle

Cobbler Shop,I would think.
(ie shoe repair shop)

Cianos

It seems to end in an 'i' so I doubt it's coffee.

CreepingDeath

I don't think it's a coffee shop.
Sure would they even have called them "coffee shops" in those days ?
They would've called it a cafe / tea room of the like.
Tea being more popular in those days I imagine.

Also, I studied a little of graphology in my younger days.
If it was an "ff" in coffee, then the lower part of the "f" would be below the line.

Seems like Coblri Shop 16..... or Coblri Shop IG.
They may not have been as literate in those days as we are now.
When I looked at the 1913 census online, they had a column to say literate or not.

So it could've meant "Cobblery", as Echelle suggested.

TequilaMockingBird

I would be surprised if it was supposed to end in an "i". Could it be an abbreviation? Something to do with Coiffure, as in ladies hair dressers? We know barbers for men, but what were ladies stylists called back then?

Lizzykins

Looks like cutler to me.

PirateShampoo

Ponster wrote: »

Coffee !

Looks good. Thanks folks !

In 1871?

Looks like C*FL*I

Echelle

Still think it is cobblers, but spelled as follows :
Coblr's
The last letter looks like an "i" but it could be " 's "

Biggins

Enlarged it and ran it through filters, etc.

Here is an enlarged, perhaps clearer version:

My own best guess is that the the first letter is "C"
Second letter "O" more so than possible "a" due to a lack of bottom tail on the right side and it is clearly different for the shape of the letter "I's" further up.
Third letter "f"
Forth letter "t"
Fifth and sixth "I"

As with some stored like "Dunnes Stores" - maybe the store had the owners name (First name beginning with a "K"?) or the name was abbreviated for something else?

Interesting puzzle and a pleasant change from the usual stuff we get in AH.
Cheers and good luck with that!

Ponster

PirateShampoo wrote: »

In 1871?

Looks like C*FL*I

In 1871 coffeeshops had been around for over 100 years.


The woman in question is a widow. I'm guessing that the business she's running is her ex-husbands. Therefore I doubt that she's a cobbler (at 25 years old).

Ponster

Biggins wrote: »

Enlarged it and ran it through filters, etc.

Interesting puzzle and a pleasant change from the usual stuff we get in AH.
Cheers and good luck with that!

You're welcome! Watch CSI much?

javaboy

Biggins wrote: »

As with some stored like "Dunnes Stores" - maybe the store had the owners name (First name beginning with a "K"?) or the name was abbreviated for something else?

Unlikely imo. The other ones all just seem to be trades etc. No names as far as I can see.

Biggins

Ponster wrote: »

You're welcome! Watch CSI much?

LOL :pac:

I do actually. I have to laugh at the short cuts they have to take in their processes (but thats a thread for the tv section).

As a hobby, for friends and family, I restore/repair/etc old and new pictures.
It de-stresses this old fogie!

Biggins

javaboy wrote: »

Unlikely imo. The other ones all just seem to be trades etc. No names as far as I can see.

True maybe. After the "K" am I seeing things or is there a slight chance of another small character before the clear full stop?
(Or just the "K" tailing off)
Himm...

javaboy

Check out the "o" in Lincoln on the right, 3rd line from top. And the "f" in wife on the left of the same line.

I'm nearly certain it's Coff..... which probably makes it coffee or some variation on coiffure as mentioned already.

Any more pages Ponster?

Ponster

Here's the full page.

5 lines down there's 'post office clerk' but with different fs.


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/ptegan/1871EnglandCensus.jpg

Biggins

Would it be safe to assume that the writer of that particular line was the same as the person(s) who filled in the other lines/sections?

If so we can look at the other lines and see the shape and full form of those letters to perhaps give us a better clue to the un-clearer letters.

Further example of other areas:

AckwelFoley

It clearly says


"coffin shop keeper"

What a morbid guy.

Biggins

snyper wrote: »

It clearly says
"coffin shop keeper"
What a morbid guy.

Ooo' never thought of that! Good one. Thumbs up.

E.T.

I think it says cutler shop.
Cutler: One who makes, repairs, or sells knives or other cutting instruments

nylon

looks like "coffin" to me too... except there's no "n".

my retina stings now.

IvySlayer

First letter - C
Second - o (no dot above)
Third - f
Fourth - T
Fifth - i
Sixth - i

Coftii.....

UNLESS!!

If you take the 'f' and the 't', I think he was trying to make a H, zoom in.

That makes it Cohii and Cohii is Japanese for coffee...

I just made this case more confusing :S

IvySlayer

Actually, when I look in again...

I'm convinced it's C O F Y I I...cofyii.

Zoom in, you see the line he drew for the Y, it's a curve.

What do I win?

m83

I think i can make it out.. S t a r b u c k s !?

Gary ITR

Centra?

Ponster

Ok...I've got another one for you lot.

Any idea what his profession is (highlighted in red square.


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/ptegan/anotherone.jpg




Name : Parson Constance BAKER
Born : 1844 : Holt, Norfolk, England

MagicMarker

Something drug gent.

Ponster

Cheers...maybe it's "druggest"?

TequilaMockingBird

Ponster wrote: »

Cheers...maybe it's "druggest"?

Wholesale Druggest?

Ponster

TequilaMockingBird wrote: »

Wholesale Druggest?

Looks obvious now that you say it !

Thanks for the help

Turd Ferguson

Cianos wrote: »

It seems to end in an 'i' so I doubt it's coffee.

I'm pretty sure that is a ;

So its Coffe; Shop

Ponster

Another one for you amateur dicks...


This is one of the papers I've recovered from my great-grandfathers WWI records. A lot of the records were destroyed by fire which is why I'm missing the top corners but a large % is still intact.

There seems to be 8 different entries and all I can make out is line 5 where I believe it says :

"Due back from leave 26/8/18 ??? rejoined 2/9/18"



Can anyone make out anymore ?

Saibh

Ponster wrote: »

Another one for you amateur dicks...


This is one of the papers I've recovered from my great-grandfathers WWI records. A lot of the records were destroyed by fire which is why I'm missing the top corners but a large % is still intact.

There seems to be 8 different entries and all I can make out is line 5 where I believe it says :

"Due back from leave 26/8/18 ??? rejoined 2/9/18"



Can anyone make out anymore ?

Would the 18 be the shorten version for 1918?

Read the post wrong - will have another look at it

JBoyle4eva

Is it possible that the person who wrote this census couldn't spell the word in question? I'm legitimately wondering this, not being a smart alec.

az2wp0sye65487

Regarding the first image, could it be confectionary (sp) shop....

Faith

Ponster wrote: »

Another one for you amateur dicks...


This is one of the papers I've recovered from my great-grandfathers WWI records. A lot of the records were destroyed by fire which is why I'm missing the top corners but a large % is still intact.

There seems to be 8 different entries and all I can make out is line 5 where I believe it says :

"Due back from leave 26/8/18 ??? rejoined 2/9/18"



Can anyone make out anymore ?

The last line seems to be: "Serial no. z32988 Oliy?? no. z21 sent to man/mam February 28th 1917".

THe second line says something about a wife. Second to last entry says something about "between Oct - Dec 1918". Line above it says "??? rejoined".

That's about all I can make out!

Saibh

In this section looks likes he got 24 hour extension on account (next work failing?)

Leprachaun

Definately 'Cocaine Shop'.

JuliusCaesar

Saibh wrote: »

In this section looks likes he got 24 hour extension on account (next work failing?)

man granted one hours extention in a/c (account) of delay in forward journey?

he seems to get around a bit - Clonmel (finds horrible?) (Fwds??)

Could the original query have been Cooks Shop?

ya-ba-da-ba-doo

could be corner shop keeper.... or I.T consultant?