2 Dead several others shot outside Army base Antrim

arybvtcw0eolkf · 08-03-2009 10:04AM

Poccington wrote: »

Ah come on now, as it is SF is needed up there. They need to keep an eye on things, the very same way we're keeping an eye on things.

There's new Republican organisations in the mix, we're not dealing with the same old IRA now. Nevermind not having them there... I would've been shocked if they didn't have any kind of SF in there.

''Special Forces'', listen - If the British weren't occupying our country NOT ONE BRITISH SOLDIER WOULD BE NEEDED UP THERE - nada, not fvcking one!.

As it is its a provence under occupation, and while I don't condone violence and I would hope that someday we'll find a peaceful political end, I do recognoise that other's see violence as politics through other mean's.

Biggins said something which will be lost on the majority of people here (I'm assuming from previous posts that Biggins is old enough to have remembered the war in N.I.) - that today there are parenting mourning the loss of their children.

By provoking republicans into this action I hope the British haven't condemned further generations of Irish and British families to the same faith.

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Gillo · 08-03-2009 10:28AM

Mairt wrote: »

Biggins said something which will be lost on the majority of people here (I'm assuming from previous posts that Biggins is old enough to have remembered the war in N.I.) - that today there are parenting mourning the loss of their children.

By provoking republicans into this action I hope the British haven't condemned further generations of Irish and British families to the same faith.

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If my understanding is correct and by my own admission I hadn't been keeping an eye on the news for the last few weeks, SF's were brought in due to intel regarding increased risk of an attack, I'd hardly say it was a case of provoking an attack the UK government / army had to do something.

As both Mairt & Biggins pointed out, yeah the targets were soldiers / security staff, but they were also son's, parent's, brothers, friends & lovers regardless of anyone's political opinion to call them legitimate targets or to justify the attack, well it's just sick.

luckat · 08-03-2009 10:30AM

There's something particularly sad about men being shot when accepting a pizza delivery.

Oglaigh na h-Eireann shortened to ONH? Clearly not an Irish speaker, whoever made that acronym!

I'm really sad to hear this news. The North was slowly pulling out of being a society where it was par for the course for men with baseball bats spiked with nails to break the arms and legs of 15-year-olds.

I hope it's a single anomaly.

Irjudge1 · 08-03-2009 10:39AM

This is terrible. A recession I can handle. But this? Hopefully the 2000's will be remembered for the celtic tiger and NOT as the period when there was peace in the North.

While 99.9% of the people of the country are against this type of action it doesn't take many to put the people of the North under the oppressive existence that was there during the 70's 80's and early 90's.

Also bear in mind that there are now going to be lots of unemployed young men on the dole on both sides of the border with **** all to do and no future as they see it. I'll be honest this scares the **** out of me.

tfitzgerald · 08-03-2009 10:42AM

i just think its terrible that two young men were shot dead while waiting for something to eat there can be NO justification for this sh*t starting up again ,

08-03-2009 10:47AM

sdonn_1 wrote: »

Tenner says they drove straight for the border.

Bastards - that said, it could be said that Hugh Orde kind of pre-empted something by saying "the threat is at its highest", perhaps?

too right they legged it for the border. dundalk people know exactly who these dickless little slugs are. they drink in up in bridge street - the likes of <SNIP> ( oh and before a moderator jumps down my throat for naming names - <snip> was actually convicted and served time for the omagh bomb so i'll name him all i like ) and his cronies. if the brits want to wipe out the threat of dissident republicanism once and for all they could just do a surgical airstike on these pricks as they sit on their barstool singing republican ballads as they do every saturday night of their worthless existence.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 08-03-2009 11:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

too right they legged it for the border. dundalk people know exactly who these dickless little slugs are. they drink in up in bridge street - the likes of <SNIP> ( oh and before a moderator jumps down my throat for naming names - <Snip> was actually convicted and served time for the omagh bomb so i'll name him all i like ) and his cronies. if the brits want to wipe out the threat of dissident republicanism once and for all they could just do a surgical airstike on these pricks as they sit on their barstool singing republican ballads as they do every saturday night of their worthless existence.

Woo Hoo, brave man - naming names whilst hinding behind a boards username!...

Crappiest post of the thread IMO.

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Richard · 08-03-2009 11:12AM

As it is its a provence under occupation

No it isn't. As it's a democracy, the population decides its future.

javaboy · 08-03-2009 11:16AM

Poccington wrote: »

Stop talking ****e just to try make a point.

Perestroika wrote: »

Lmao, I wouldn't accuse others of talking ****e to try and make a point

Mairt wrote: »

Woo Hoo, brave man - naming names whilst hinding behind a boards username!...

Crappiest post of the thread IMO.

Please keep it civil. And no naming of names please.

Biggins · 08-03-2009 11:18AM

Mairt wrote: »

''Special Forces'', listen - If the British weren't occupying our country NOT ONE BRITISH SOLDIER WOULD BE NEEDED UP THERE - nada, not fvcking one!.

As it is its a provence under occupation, and while I don't condone violence and I would hope that someday we'll find a peaceful political end, I do recognoise that other's see violence as politics through other mean's.

Biggins said something which will be lost on the majority of people here (I'm assuming from previous posts that Biggins is old enough to have remembered the war in N.I.) - that today there are parenting mourning the loss of their children..

O' please! :rolleyes:

* If there wasn't sick people willing to use outdated murderous methods to kill young sons and daughters by using cowardly drive-by shooting methods, Northern Ireland wouldn't need special forces.
* If there wasn't utter scumbags un-willing to take a modern peaceful route to seeking their goals, Northern Ireland wouldn't need special forces.
* If there wasn't a 0.01% of twisted individuals, still living in the past with their poor mentation and clearly limited way of thinking, using words and phrases of the past to justify killing/murdering/cutting out lives - Northern Ireland wouldn't need special forces.

As for "a provence under occupation"... dear god, only those that are willing to stay living in the past will still utter that 70's rubbish. I have been on the streets of Belfast many, many, many times during the troubles of the previous era and still up to todays era - and I can tell you right now, Northern Ireland only feels as occupied right now by the so called "Queen's forces" as it feels occupied by a flock of seagulls!

I'm sorry but "a provence under occupation" - thats just a something that I'd expect to hear from those living in the past and unwilling to move on. Well the rest of the country/island has. They have kopped themselves on, seen sense and come to the realisation that if they are achieve their agenda of gaining a united Ireland, they will ONLY gain it by peaceful, modern democratic methods.
They might not like to do this but even the best of the best terrorist organisation that was the I.R.A. came to that same conclusion - and moved on... They decided to work within a peaceful system and now as they are actually inside the doors of power by walking in quietly in suits, not bursting in holding sub-machine guns, they know they are much closer to bringing about their desired wishes.

As for

"By provoking republicans into this action I hope the British haven't condemned further generations of Irish and British families to the same faith."

Aye, if the the 0.01% were really provoked by the presence of men and women in their barracks awaiting a pizza delivery, then they are yet again clearly sad, sad, living in the past scum.
To say the Republicans were provoked is a joke. The young boys were resting in their barracks hungry and looking forwards to eating - the likes of that was really provoking the republicans? - jeeze!!!

Ok, I can hear still those from the past "well this is all because there are British forces still up the north" or something to that sad equivalent. While I might not agree their right to be there if I feel those lands they stand on are ours and not English soil - I do expect ANY part of a country ruled and governed by any power, to at least have some of its forces stationed within its own lands as it still holds on to them.
To think otherwise, is just pure daftness.

Side issue: What was the something I'm supposed to have said which would be quote "which will be lost on the majority of people here"???
I think the other posters here would like that clarified also! I don't think they are not able to comprehend something I might have stated.
I might have been wrong but I do think they are quite able to understand something I've said and not be 'lost' on it!

Sam Vimes · 08-03-2009 11:30AM

Richard wrote: »

No it isn't. As it's a democracy, the population decides its future.

Exactly. The English don't give a flying fuck about the north. the people don't know anything about it and the politicians see it as a drain on their resources. The sole reason why the north is still part of the UK is that the majority of the people living there want it that way.

The day that last nationalist turns 18 who tips the balance the other way, a referendum will be held, the north will be given back and every single british politician will break out the champagne because that pack of ignorant bigots will then be our problem to deal with

mike65 · 08-03-2009 11:39AM

By provoking republicans into this action I hope the British haven't condemned further generations of Irish and British families to the same faith.

Yeah right the British government who's military is stretched to breaking point though fatiging engagments in Iraq and Afganistan (where the long haul has hardly begun) is looking to re-ignite war in Norn Iron.

Think about what you are saying.

Duffers · 08-03-2009 11:52AM

RIP thoughts go out to the families.
I hope the scum who did this are caught and prosecuted, and that we don't see a return to the sh*t state of the past.
There can be no justification for these actions, political or idealogical. Apparently 2 pizza guys were critically injured in the attack, I hope all those injured make a full recovery.
Two blokes getting a pizza had their lives snuffed out last night. What has this achieved? I am amazed that anyone would be this stupid.

SoWatchaWant · 08-03-2009 11:59AM

I'm assuming that there's a reason for this attack, not one to justify it, but one to help us understand. Who in their right mind would do this just because of British occupation? I, for one, certainly don't have the full story.

galwayrush · 08-03-2009 12:00PM

My heart goes out to the victims and their families. I hope the cowardly murderous scum that ordered and carried out the attack are brought to justice as soon as possible. Who the **** to they think they represent?:mad: Not me.:mad: I hope that anyone who has any information on the scum comes froward so the scum can no longer be a threat to decent people.

Fozzie Bear · 08-03-2009 12:01PM

Mairt wrote: »

By provoking republicans into this action I hope the British haven't condemned further generations of Irish and British families to the same faith.

Christ above. So it was the Brits fault those two lads were slaughtered and 4 others seriously injured. But of course. Its obvious it was. It must be difficult for you to see out from behind those blinkers.

And no I don't think the Brits provoked them. If deploying their own soldiers on their own (democratically decided not occupied) soil is a provocation then in that case people in the republic should be hopping bricks of yours and your fellow Irish soldiers heads. Or worse.

There is no excuse or reasoning for what was done last night. Blame lies with those who carried out the shooting, not the British, not Hue Orde, not the SAS. End of.

My name is URL · 08-03-2009 12:29PM

****.. The last thing Ireland needs is for the troubles to be re-ignited. Indeed even calling this a dissident attack is a mistake, considering nobody has claimed responsibility yet. People should be simply viewing this as callous murder not a terrorist attack, to avoid any provokation from any group.

passive · 08-03-2009 12:32PM

Mairt wrote: »

''Special Forces'', listen - If the British weren't occupying our country NOT ONE BRITISH SOLDIER WOULD BE NEEDED UP THERE - nada, not fvcking one!.

As it is its a provence under occupation,

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Do us all a favour and take a ****ing secondary school history course regarding how partition came about (not taught by a Christian brother) and inform yourself as to just how retarded this is. It is by no means "under occupation."

mike65 · 08-03-2009 12:40PM

Scary thing is that Mairt is in the army - the Irish one though so he can't do too much harm!

Micky Dolenz · 08-03-2009 12:55PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

The day that last nationalist turns 18 who tips the balance the other way, a referendum will be held, the north will be given back and every single british politician will break out the champagne because that pack of ignorant bigots will then be our problem to deal with

It's a bit more complicated than that. do you really think the people of NI whichever side they from really want to be part of our Republic. What would you rather-Free health service, good roads and infrastructer etc as compared with the over bloated systems we have here.

Romantic Ireland is dead and gone and the IRA in whatever form has lost support on this Island as well as on the world stage. We have come to far to ever go back.

My sympathies and prays are with the famlies of the two boys who were murdered.

Dyr · 08-03-2009 12:57PM

Fozzie Bear wrote: »

Christ above. So it was the Brits fault those two lads were slaughtered and 4 others seriously injured.

Hold on a minute I havent checked the news yet but I'm assuming these were british soldiers that were killed? You sign up and join an army, especially the british army, then you're accepting the risk that someones going to try shoot you. You're the one who's made the decision that you might die in service and lay that grief on your family.

It's hardly "slaughter" when you've been infinitely better trained, equipped and supported than the fookers that you're up against.

Micky Dolenz · 08-03-2009 12:59PM

Bambi wrote: »

Hold on a minute I havent checked the news yet but I'm assuming these were british soldiers that were killed? You sign up and join an army, especially the british army, then you're accepting the risk that someones going to try shoot you. You're the one who's made the decision that you might die in service and lay that grief on your family.

It's hardly "slaughter" when you've been infinitely better trained, equipped and supported than the fookers that you're up against.

Thing you forget is that THE WAR IS OVER

RoundyMooney · 08-03-2009 01:04PM

mike65 wrote: »

Scary thing is that Mairt is in the army - the Irish one though so he can't do too much harm!

There are many, many republicans in the Defence Forces.

Not all of them are as articulate as Mairt, however (who is as entitled to his view as anyone). In fact, in my experience, many of them couldn't find their arse with both hands and a map.

Dyr · 08-03-2009 01:11PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Thing you forget is that THE WAR IS OVER

Theres two wars that the british army are still involved in at the moment, then there's the fact the various dissident headbangers up north never called their war off.

midlandsmissus · 08-03-2009 01:15PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Thing you forget is that THE WAR IS OVER

HA! I'm sorry but this whole thread is laughable, and that last post is extremely laughable.

1) The war most definitely is NOT over up here
2) If you live down south and think you know ANYTHING that is going on up here, get off your bloody high horse and realise you know NOTHING that is going on.
3) There is still HUGE antagonism from the British army up here.
4) People down south would be the first to say 'fu*king brits took our six counties, and yet where was anybody down south when the north needed help against the brits?
4) People down south are VERY unpopular with the CATHOLICS up here for the following reasons. They say: we left them to die at the hands of the english. When there was so much suffering up here during the troubles, what did we do? Absolutely nothing.
If we had sent an army up to Northern Ireland to fight the brits at the time all of this would have been over by now. We did nothing to help all of our own that died.
One of the older catholics told me the other day that he was told during the troubles' "you're fighting your ass off to have a United Ireland, and for what? To join that shower down there who couldn't give a fu*k about you?'

There is alot of bitterness up here against the english, AND the republic, for doing nothing. And there is still alot of hatred between protestant and catholic communities. The power sharing agreement is very precarious, and alot of extra antagonism has been stirred up recently due to the potential £12000 payouts to families of anyone murdered in the troubles. Families of victims don't want to be seen as being on the same level as families of murderers.

If the troubles start up again, the only way to solve it, is to deploy help from the republic. But then most people down south don't even seem to see northern ireland as part of ireland anymore, and couldn't give a monkeys(while still spouting 'the brits took our six counties') So the question is....what would you do?

Biggins · 08-03-2009 01:15PM

Bambi wrote: »

Hold on a minute I haven't checked the news yet but I'm assuming these were british soldiers that were killed? You sign up and join an army, especially the british army, then you're accepting the risk that someones going to try shoot you. You're the one who's made the decision that you might die in service and lay that grief on your family.

It's hardly "slaughter" when you've been infinitely better trained, equipped and supported than the fookers that you're up against.

I'd call it slaughter when a bunch of young lads come out to get their meal and are cut down by cowardly, living in the past nutters letting rip with their weapons.
Yea, really brave (NOT!) - to attack unarmed people collecting their fast food.

And... the soldiers might have been better trained, armed and supported - that however doesn't justify anyone to attack them as they went about doing something we all do every day - try to get/eat a meal!

Another thing:
These murdering scumbags did this I presume (and I might be wrong in this I admit) because they are unwilling to accept that Northern Ireland like the Republic of Ireland, lives under a democratic rule of law (and as such chosen still to remain with mainland Britian by vote),
As such these scumbags have as much respect for our democratic ways of governing ourselves as they also respect the North's democratic ways of choice!

Nope, for myself, these scumbags do not represent me, my family and all my friends. I deeply suspect they do not represent 99.9% of this whole island either.

The only thing they represent is themselves, their outdated, warped way of thinking and are a showcase for thugs that wish to over-ride the will of the people and their democratic process so that they can get their bullied way!

Thanks - BUT NO THANKS!

Terry · 08-03-2009 01:17PM

gurramok wrote: »

And it happened in a majority Unionist town. I would of thought something like this would have had happened in a republican area like most attacks by them in the past.

Just hope so called Loyalists don't respond to this and it all start a tit-for-tat war, no-one up there supports any so called 'paramilitaries' anymore, they want peace.

I think we're all hoping the same thing.

Dudess wrote: »

:eek: West Brit traitor!!!

I love the phrase "punishment beating"... as opposed to "reward beating".

It's better than homicide bomber.

Gillo wrote: »

If my understanding is correct and by my own admission I hadn't been keeping an eye on the news for the last few weeks, SF's were brought in due to intel regarding increased risk of an attack, I'd hardly say it was a case of provoking an attack the UK government / army had to do something.

As both Mairt & Biggins pointed out, yeah the targets were soldiers / security staff, but they were also son's, parent's, brothers, friends & lovers regardless of anyone's political opinion to call them legitimate targets or to justify the attack, well it's just sick.

Would that be the same intel that found WMDs in Iraq?

passive wrote: »

Do us all a favour and take a ****ing secondary school history course regarding how partition came about (not taught by a Christian brother) and inform yourself as to just how retarded this is. It is by no means "under occupation."

mike65 wrote: »

Scary thing is that Mairt is in the army - the Irish one though so he can't do too much harm!

Attack the post, not the poster.

Biggins, calm down.

sock puppet · 08-03-2009 01:21PM

Terry wrote: »

I think we're all hoping the same thing.

It's better than homicide bomber.

Would that be the same intel that found WMDs in Iraq?

Attack the post, not the poster.

Biggins, calm down.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't MI5 have nothing to do with Iraq?

Terrontress · 08-03-2009 01:23PM

mike65 wrote: »

Scary thing is that Mairt is in the army - the Irish one though so he can't do too much harm!

Whichever army he is in, it is obviously not one which requires the use of logical reasoning or spelling skills.

Talking of people being condemned "to the same faith" and use of a circular argument about no British soldiers being needed were NI not to be part of the UK betrays him as being someone whose opinions should be ignored.

If he represents the average intelligence of an Irish soldier, maybe NI is better having the Brits on-board.

Micky Dolenz · 08-03-2009 01:23PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

HA! I'm sorry but this whole thread is laughable, and that last post is extremely laughable.

So the question is....what would you do?

Not a thing, because I really don't give a damn aslong as its not on my street.

I spent many years travelling the world and can safety say I learnt more about the island of Ireland in those few years (mainly by meeting and hanging out with nordies) I've heard it all, free state bastards and ye left us here. Which is true.

THE WAR IS OVER. My da or ma didn't have to be killed for me to have an opinion.
Talking about high horses...get real.

2 Dead several others shot outside Army base Antrim

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