2 Dead several others shot outside Army base Antrim

javaboy · 08-03-2009 03:04AM

Biggins wrote: »

If you don't like that, go back and crawl down into a hole!

Biggins wrote: »

Your name suits you. Go back to the hole you crawled out of.

Biggins wrote: »

Thankfully the rest of the modern world is at least trying to get away from your level of mentation and low comprehension.
Your a dying breed - and the sooner rats die off, the better!

Cut it out or you're going in the hole.

Local-womanizer · 08-03-2009 03:05AM

Border-Rat wrote: »

Perhaps you should keep up with the situation. 'Operation Banner' may have ended, but its replacement quietly commenced in 2007. 'Operation Helvetic' permits british troops to enter and leave the region in any number they please, at any time. Search any house without a warrant etc.

I think you'll find there are almost as many troops here as there are in Afghanistan.

You should stop posting now:rolleyes:

The Brits are obviously needed here as some scumbags still are holding illegal weapons.They are nothing but scum,ruining the lives of the hard working people in the north:mad:

08-03-2009 03:06AM

Border-Rat wrote: »

Perhaps you should keep up with the situation. 'Operation Banner' may have ended, but its replacement quietly commenced in 2007. 'Operation Helvetic' permits british troops to enter and leave the region in any number they please, at any time. Search any house without a warrant etc.

I think you'll find there are almost as many troops here as there are in Afghanistan.

:eek:

Biggins · 08-03-2009 03:08AM

javaboy wrote: »

Cut it out or you're going in the hole.

No worries Javaboy.
There is no talking to someone anyway who's mental process of thinking is like a horse wearing blinkers.
Can only see one way.
I will continue this discussion with others, if they are of a more open minded and peaceful nature - no matter what side of the political peaceful fence they sit on.
I'm done with this 'person'.

Local-womanizer · 08-03-2009 03:09AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

:eek:

I was thinking the same!5000 troops in NI!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5128276.stm

javaboy · 08-03-2009 03:10AM

Biggins wrote: »

I'm done with this 'person'.

Why the quotes?

2-D Man · 08-03-2009 03:10AM

As a northern resident I can tell you this was only a matter of time.

Yesterday myself and a friend were walking through Queens and said it was only a matter of time before somebody was killed.

Republicans are becoming restless with the slow progress and number of well trained ex-IRA men have defected to this new ONH group, who by all accounts, seem a lot more proffesional than the idiots in CIRA/RIRA.

http://saoirse32.blogsome.com/2009/02/17/

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 08-03-2009 03:11AM

can you report posts for general twattery?

Border-Rat · 08-03-2009 03:12AM

Local-womanizer wrote: »

I was thinking the same!5000 troops in NI!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5128276.stm

There are more than 5,000 troops in 'NI'. They can move in and out freely at will, there is no longer an established quota for them. Since early 2008 their numbers have increased. There are around 8,000 in Afghanistan. Funnily enough, the Afghans don't want them there, either.

Biggins · 08-03-2009 03:12AM

javaboy wrote: »

Why the quotes?

Because I'm being polite again (or at least trying) and biting my tongue.
Appreciate you allowing me to speak my mind so far.

08-03-2009 03:14AM

Local-womanizer wrote: »

I was thinking the same!5000 troops in NI!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5128276.stm

Thats an old story, its actually closer to 9000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)

javaboy · 08-03-2009 03:15AM

Biggins wrote: »

Because I'm being polite again (or at least trying) and biting my tongue.

No you're not. You're taking sly digs after being warned to cut it out.

brianthebard · 08-03-2009 03:16AM

Biggins wrote: »

No worries Javaboy.
There is no talking to someone anyway who's mental process of thinking is like a horse wearing blinkers.
Can only see one way.
I will continue this discussion with others, if they are of a more open minded and peaceful nature - no matter what side of the political peaceful fence they sit on.
I'm done with this 'person'.

Aren't you only seeing things one way? I'm not condoning the shootings, but if troop numbers have increased in northern Ireland then that was always going to provoke a reaction. There's a certain chicken or egg feel to it, which makes things harder to understand. I don't think after only a few hours passing since it happened we can make abolute judgments on what is happening there.

ejmaztec · 08-03-2009 03:19AM

Border-Rat wrote: »

There are more than 5,000 troops in 'NI'. They can move in and out freely at will, there is no longer an established quota for them. Since early 2008 their numbers have increased. There are around 8,000 in Afghanistan. Funnily enough, the Afghans don't want them there, either.

They've even got some in England, Wales and Scotland, not to mention other places. :eek:

Border-Rat · 08-03-2009 03:21AM

ejmaztec wrote: »

They've even got some in England, Wales and Scotland, not to mention other places. :eek:

Under officially sanctioned military operations? Ok then, why don't you tell me what the designation is for England, Wales and Scotland.

Biggins · 08-03-2009 03:21AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Thats an old story, its actually closer to 9000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)

Just out of curiosity, what is the total number of combined British troops under rule from those in London

I ask because given the (presumably) very high number that it is, then divided up by the number of main military bases around the UK/Northern Ireland, it might come as no surprise to find that proportionally, there might, just might be an relativity equal break down of troop numbers across all the counties under British rule.
Given that this is normally the case, then in other hotter/troublesome spots within those areas - it should come then as no surprise to find a higher number in special areas where they would be needed more so.

This to me anyway, (and I admit, I could be wrong) makes sense.

ejmaztec · 08-03-2009 03:26AM

Border-Rat wrote: »

Under officially sanctioned military operations? Ok then, why don't you tell me what the designation is for England, Wales and Scotland.

That info is probably governed by The Official Secrets Act, so they're hardly likely to tell anyone, are they?

08-03-2009 03:29AM

this is probably the most serious thread I've come accross in AH

Biggins · 08-03-2009 03:39AM

brianthebard wrote: »

Aren't you only seeing things one way? I'm not condoning the shootings, but if troop numbers have increased in northern Ireland then that was always going to provoke a reaction. There's a certain chicken or egg feel to it, which makes things harder to understand. I don't think after only a few hours passing since it happened we can make absolute judgements on what is happening there.

To be fair, your right.
I suspect that intelligence elsewhere picked up on the increased chatter/activity about possible trouble coming and maybe increased numbers of troops to forestall any serious trouble.
Again, this part is highly speculative. One side will stay silent about this (if only for intelligence gathering reasons besides other reasons) and the other will take propaganda advantage (or at least try) to make others see their way of thinking and thus hopefully for some of those, to see justification in the taking of further young lives.

What is known right now is that at least 4 parents tonight are mourning the loss of a loved one. Someone they held in their arms from the day they were born, fed, educated and loved.
Now that person is gone.

That is a sad, sad loss for them and a further sad step backwards in the process of bringing and maintaining peace to this island.
Those definite facts can't be changed unfortunately.

Capt'n Midnight · 08-03-2009 03:47AM

Don't they understand that a military victory is impossible, and even if the target is just bombing their way to the negotiation table they just don't have the resources to do it.

NI is surviving the credit crunch better than ROI or UK and almost every one dreads the bad old days so there is almost no public support and no chance of wining the heats and minds of the population.

Four-Too · 08-03-2009 03:48AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

:eek:

:eek: :eek:

Oh my God! This is not fair!! After all the good work done, and all the agreements, and SF shaking hands with Blair and co, and the peace we have achieved in the North...there are thousands of British soldiers presiding there. And I'm sure they're armed, and it is handy as hell for them to visit the Republic too

08-03-2009 03:50AM

Border-Rat wrote: »

Under officially sanctioned military operations? Ok then, why don't you tell me what the designation is for England, Wales and Scotland.

This doesn't directly answer the question, but do the maths

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army#Statistics
109,000

Biggins · 08-03-2009 03:57AM

What you might have now with the way the economy is gone, is a number of understandably angry and frustrated folk who while unwishing to be idle, will come across other ways to vent their anger at an establishment they might hold even partly responsible, no matter how remote the thinking.

Those that seek to do unjust acts might (and have done before) taken advantage of a small percentage of such people, in order to bolster their own numbers and bad agenda.

When things were going great, the chances of "Troubles" starting up again were extremely remote, now that things have taken a turn for the worse, I'm looking at the whole picture and seeing a slight decrease in things remaining as stable as they were the last ten/twelve years.
There was a saying I heard once: "when desperate persons can't find water in a desert, some will drink sand".

Lets hope clear thinking wins the day.

08-03-2009 04:04AM

Biggins wrote: »

When things were going great, the chances of "Troubles" starting up again were extremely remote, now that things have taken a turn for the worse, I'm looking at the whole picture and seeing a slight decrease in things remaining as stable as they were the last ten/twelve years.
There was a saying I heard once: "when desperate persons can't find water in a desert, some will drink sand".

Lets hope clear thinking wins the day.

The seeds for a "summer of discontent have been sowed, not by any single act of "injustice" but more by general economic factors that will affect the entire "British Isles & Ireland"(& the rest of the world), some dissidants will attempt to relight the fires of the past!

Hopefully sufficient numbers of the population have moved on to prevent those sparks from finding good dry tinder to start it all over again!

Poccington · 08-03-2009 04:27AM

Border-Rat wrote: »

This is ridiculous. Just ask yourself, why would the worst army in Europe have one of Europes finest Special Forces? And I'll tell you one thing - its not through fear of Loyalists.

The ARW was originally setup after a number of Irish Personnel did a stint with the 75th Ranger Regiment over in America. They specialised further when the need for a Unit that could deal with CT Ops was realised.

Stop talking ****e just to try make a point.

Poccington · 08-03-2009 04:32AM

Mairt wrote: »

By putting special forces or the ground in N.I. ?.

While I utterly condemn the murder of anyone, and as a soldier myself I mourne the loss of a fellow soldier (even in a foreign army) but putting a special recce regt back on the ground in N.I. was always going to be a stupid, dangerous and ultimately costly move.

Like almost every one else on this forum I dread a return to 'the troubles', but I wonder have the British Establishment mis-read the Irish question again!.

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Ah come on now, as it is SF is needed up there. They need to keep an eye on things, the very same way we're keeping an eye on things.

There's new Republican organisations in the mix, we're not dealing with the same old IRA now. Nevermind not having them there... I would've been shocked if they didn't have any kind of SF in there.

PrivateEye · 08-03-2009 04:44AM

Insane piece of news, no love for the chuckies or the Brit Army but the bad old days is the last thing anyone wants surely?

reggiethefirst · 08-03-2009 04:52AM

ejmaztec wrote: »

They've even got some in England, Wales and Scotland, not to mention other places. :eek:

Don't see too many soldiers deployed on official operations walking around London.

Frelance · 08-03-2009 06:14AM

Threat to armed forces in the north has been high for months. Ballykinlar was targeted last month even. Im shocked at the media coverage as if its true they got access by posing as delivery men then it really shows how crap their base security was. Hopefully this will be the kick up the arse they need to get security tip top.

My sympathy with the familes, hopefully they find the bastards that did this.
Spoken by a N. Irish catholic nationalist. we are not all like the stereotype.

marco murphy · 08-03-2009 09:04AM

Poccington wrote: »

Ah come on now, as it is SF is needed up there. They need to keep an eye on things, the very same way we're keeping an eye on things.

There's new Republican organisations in the mix, we're not dealing with the same old IRA now. Nevermind not having them there... I would've been shocked if they didn't have any kind of SF in there.

Lmao, I wouldn't accuse others of talking ****e to try and make a point

2 Dead several others shot outside Army base Antrim

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