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eagle eye · 05-03-2009 05:41PM

Third_Echelon wrote: »

But that would be inaccurate and not true, therefore I could not agree to that...

Do you not see that if our form is better than yours, then we should beat you? What is difficult about that to grasp?

http://www.premierleague.com/page/FormGuide

Last 6 games.

Blackburn 6 points.
Everton 9 points.

Wat? If you looked at home versus away form over the last six you would see that we both have 9 points in the most relevant games. That would have given you the draw prediction which in fairness was the most likely outcome as much as I didn't want to admit it.

Third_Echelon · 05-03-2009 05:54PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Wat? If you looked at home versus away form over the last six you would see that we both have 9 points in the most relevant games. That would have given you the draw prediction which in fairness was the most likely outcome as much as I didn't want to admit it.

Over the last 6 home and away games...

Everton's away vs Blackburn's Home is the same.... ok...

Evertons home is better than Blackburn's away..

therefore overall we are in better form, nevermind about home/away form.

eagle eye · 05-03-2009 06:04PM

Third_Echelon wrote: »

Over the last 6 home and away games...

Everton's away vs Blackburn's Home is the same.... ok...

Evertons home is better than Blackburn's away..

therefore overall we are in better form, nevermind about home/away form.

Lol, so the most relevant form does not matter to you. And you want to base it over six games only which just happens to suit your argument better.

Basically you have to take a lot of things into account, the form of the away team, the form of the home team the last number of games, the last number of home games, the last number of away games, previous meetings between the sides in recent times, injuries and supensions.

When you put it all together it looked like maybe a home win but more likely a draw. The loss of Arteta being the factor to sway it more in Blackburn's favour.

Third_Echelon · 05-03-2009 06:20PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Lol, so the most relevant form does not matter to you. And you want to base it over six games only which just happens to suit your argument better.

Basically you have to take a lot of things into account, the form of the away team, the form of the home team the last number of games, the last number of home games, the last number of away games, previous meetings between the sides in recent times, injuries and supensions.

When you put it all together it looked like maybe a home win but more likely a draw. The loss of Arteta being the factor to sway it more in Blackburn's favour.

How does it suit my argument better?

Current form is generally calculated over the previous 6 games. If you want to go further back, then Everton's form is a lot better...

Everton's away and Blackburn's home are the same, so how does that mean a home win for blackburn?

SickBoy · 05-03-2009 06:28PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Lol, so the most relevant form does not matter to you. And you want to base it over six games only which just happens to suit your argument better.

And you were doing so well until you said that :rolleyes:
I'm enjoying this

Shanotheslayer · 05-03-2009 08:06PM

Agreeing with Third Echelon his argument seems to be better and has valid points:)

x in the city · 05-03-2009 10:10PM

eagle eye, I think you should hop back to the Blackburn forum and leave us toffees worry about a European place and the fa cup.

good lad

craiginireland · 05-03-2009 10:26PM

Eagle eye, comparing Everton to Blackburn is like comparing roses against a pundshop bag of sweets on Valentines.

At the end of the day I know whats gonna produce the goods at the end of the day.

Bluetonic · 05-03-2009 10:59PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You are getting a bit carried away thinking you should be taking maximum points from Ewood Park.

We should alway be thinking of taking full points against a club which have achieved nothing of significance consistently in their odd 134 years existence.

Do us a favour and crawl back into one of the four thousand holes.

Third_Echelon · 05-03-2009 11:24PM

Bluetonic wrote: »

We should alway be thinking of taking full points against a club which have achieved nothing of significance consistently in their odd 134 years existence.

Do us a favour and crawl back into one of the four thousand holes.

Beatles reference... I like it. Being an Everton supporter, Beatle knowledge should be mandatory with all those trips to Liverpool

With regards to eagle-eye's discussion... I don't mind if someone has a point and argues it well. That is of course welcome. Not backing it up with facts gets you into trouble

With regards to Blackburn's status as a premier league club for next season... I reckon they are going to have a tough time, but they have the right guy in charge if they are going to make it... Just at the moment there are a lot of clubs scrapping, some of which seem to be getting the goals at the moment, e.g. Stoke. Our old mucker James Beattie banging them in at the moment... Always thought he should have been played as part of a 2 up front... Not suited to a lone striker role as he was deployed by Moyes..

craiginireland · 05-03-2009 11:25PM

We should alway be thinking of taking full points against a club which have achieved nothing of significance consistently in their odd 134 years existence.

Now Now, don't forget the time they bought the premiership! Couldn't win the charity shield tho.:D:D

Do us a favour and crawl back into one of the four thousand holes.

Love it!

x in the city · 06-03-2009 12:31AM

he should have been played as part of a 2 up front

Beattie has a fine pair up front on his own self shur

theCzar · 06-03-2009 05:58AM

I always liked Beattie, but he needed to move to get his mojo back.

Third_Echelon · 06-03-2009 01:04PM

x in the city wrote: »

Beattie has a fine pair up front on his own self shur

Ha ha. Genius

theCzar wrote: »

I always liked Beattie, but he needed to move to get his mojo back.

Yeah, liked him alright... But he defo got stuck in a rut...

x in the city · 06-03-2009 01:20PM

And it is every boy’s dream to play there, if we get past Middlesbrough then I am sure the lads will start asking me what it is like to play there. Growing up, and as a fan of Villa, Wembley did not mean too much to me but obviously I played there for England and am looking forward to going back.

LOL, Lescott had a bit of a swipe at villa there.

SickBoy · 06-03-2009 01:32PM

x in the city wrote: »

LOL, Lescott had a bit of a swipe at villa there.

Love it!!

mirwillbeback · 06-03-2009 02:23PM

SickBoy wrote: »

Love it!!

:rolleyes:

Villa in a final there long after Everton

Villa won Coca Cup there in 1996.

Bit of silliness in my opinion.

eagle eye · 06-03-2009 04:02PM

Bluetonic wrote: »

We should alway be thinking of taking full points against a club which have achieved nothing of significance consistently in their odd 134 years existence.

Do us a favour and crawl back into one of the four thousand holes.

What have Everton in the last 20 years? 1 FA Cup?

I think we've been more successful than that.

Last six league meetings between the clubs.
06/07
Everton 1-0 Blacburn
Blackburn 1-1 Everton
07/08
Everton 1-1 Blackburn
Blackburn 0-0 Everton
08/09
Everton 2-3 Blackburn
Blackburn 0-0 Everton

Other results over that time.
FA Cup 3rd round 2006/07 Everton 1-4 Blackburn
Carling Cup 3rd round 2008/2009 Blackburn 1-0 Everton

Just based on the above Blackburn have to be slight favourites for a home tie against Everton, expecially with two wins from two meetings over the current season. Over the last three years going on all the results we have the upper hand in games between the clubs.
Everton's last two league defeats were a home loss to Villa and an away loss to Manchester United.
Blackburn Rovers only two league defeats under Sam Allardyce were at home to Villa and away to Manchester United.

There is no question who has been Everton's best player this season and that is Mikel Arteta. A huge loss to Everton and I hope he returns to his very best as I think he is a fantastic footballer, and a joy to watch. He is though a player that scores goals and makes goals and his loss really weakens Everton's midfield(his loss would weaken any teams midfield).

In fairness when you look at all the stats given above it does lead to the conclusion that a draw is the most likely result as it was, but with a slight edge to the home team due to results between the teams this season in all competitions and also the loss of Mikel Arteta.

I came on here because somebody said you should be winning against these sort of teams(or something like that) which is insulting to a team like us. I have always respected Everton as a football club and I respect David Moyes as a manager. But for someone to say that they should be beating us and considering us as an also ran is just not acceptable. We have had many good games over the last couple of years and there is never more than a goal in the games. So lets be fair.

Third_Echelon · 06-03-2009 04:41PM

Hey, we used to win leagues and cups throughout the 70s and 80's... that doesn't mean we beat Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea every year now...

Blackburn over the recent premier league years have been decent alright. I'll give you that.

On this season's form Blackburn have been abysmal, Everton have been better... League position doesn't lie.. so expecting to beat Blackburn is not a stretch of the imagination.

eagle eye · 06-03-2009 04:59PM

Third_Echelon wrote: »

Hey, we used to win leagues and cups throughout the 70s and 80's... that doesn't mean we beat Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea every year now...

Blackburn over the recent premier league years have been decent alright. I'll give you that.

On this season's form Blackburn have been abysmal, Everton have been better... League position doesn't lie.. so expecting to beat Blackburn is not a stretch of the imagination.

League position alone would dictate what you say, but since Big Sam took the reigns in mid December we have been back to our form of the last couple of sesons.

Frisbee · 06-03-2009 05:42PM

I'd fully expect Everton to beat Blackburn.
Blackburn are a very mediocre side

eagle eye · 06-03-2009 06:20PM

Frisbee wrote: »

I'd fully expect Everton to beat Blackburn.
Blackburn are a very mediocre side

So you've read my post above and took all the recent form into account and you come up with that?

Anyways, I don't want to spoil the Everton thread so I'll leave it now. As I said I have nothing but respect for Everton as a football club.

By the way my favourite Everton footballer ever was Kevin Ratcliffe. He was an animal and super centre back.

Third_Echelon · 06-03-2009 06:23PM

Kevin Ratcliffe... Super player.. Must get my Everton 80's video out :-)

Frisbee · 06-03-2009 06:26PM

eagle eye wrote: »

So you've read my post above and took all the recent form into account and you come up with that?

From what i've seen of them this season and their league position they are a mediocre team.

Regardless of form it's always a big surprise if the team in 18th beats the team in 6th.

eagle eye · 06-03-2009 06:32PM

I'm gonna delete this post very soon. Just to say Frisbee this does not belong in the Everton thread. I won't answer your post here. Imo you should delete your last post too. It does not belong here either.

Frisbee · 06-03-2009 06:46PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm gonna delete this post very soon. Just to say Frisbee this does not belong in the Everton thread. I won't answer your post here. Imo you should delete your last post too. It does not belong here either.

Delete your post if you want.
Mine will be staying where it is as it's directly related to Everton.

Third_Echelon · 06-03-2009 07:34PM

Well deserved I have to say....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/e/everton/7929100.stm

Everton's David Moyes and Phil Jagielka have won the Barclays Premier League Manager and Player of the Month awards.

Boss Moyes guided the Toffees to league wins at home to Bolton and West Brom and a draw at Newcastle in February.

Defender Jagielka helped Everton keep clean sheets in all three fixtures, and made his first England start in the 2-0 friendly defeat in Spain last month.

Moyes has now won the managers' award five times, while it is the first time Jagielka has been honoured.

Everton beat Bolton 3-0 and West Brom 2-0 either side of the goalless draw on Tyneside.

They also progressed in the FA Cup in February with a replay victory over Merseyside rivals Liverpool, followed by a fifth round win over Aston Villa.

Moyes said he was eyeing silverware to add to his award, with Everton facing Middlesbrough in the FA Cup quarter-finals at Goodison Park on Sunday.

"Of course I am pleased with the recognition. But it is not for me, it is the players who have done their jobs. It is for the whole club," he said.

"What I want is a trophy for the whole club to enjoy now, not just for me. It is hard to drag this award away from Sir Alex Ferguson these days, so that is something to be proud of."

Nowso · 06-03-2009 08:03PM

Was watching BBC news 24 just seen Neville Southall working as assistant to Terry Yorath at Ryeman Premeir team Margate.

Wearing flash Sunglasses was good to see him

x in the city · 06-03-2009 09:32PM

Wearing flash Sunglasses was good to see him

lmao, designer nev.

best keeper ever that guy.

speaking of beattie from a few posts back i think he could do with some support up front all the same tho...!

theCzar · 07-03-2009 07:26AM

To throw in my two cents re. blackburn, I don't think we should have "expected" to win, it was always going to be a tough match with a skint team and a draw was definitely the most likely result, especially for anyone who had seen us against Newcastle the week before. It would be different if we had our full team of course, or even just the team that beat villa but we lost Arteta, Anichebe and Rodwell against the barcodes, and I don't think Rodwell was fully fit for Rovers game. I don't think anybody would argue that over this season, and indeed the last 3 or 4 (5 or 6?), Everton have not been the better team although it must also be conceded we have not exactly dominated the head-to-head. No doubt Rovers fans would take offence if I said I thought that in general Hughes' sides used set out to kick the tar out of us?

I would say Everton's form was better going into the game. We had lost once in 15 games prior to wednesday, at Old Trafford no less and within that we beat Liverpool and Villa as well as drawing with Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool twice.

I struggle to make sense of blackburn's "good run of form", is it all draws? did you start this run from 0 points? I thought blackburn had spent most of this season hovering in or just out of relegation zone, a position they remain in. I know that all the other teams down there are not on blistering form so what gives?

I would encourage my fellow blues to stop telling heathen supporters of other clubs to sling their hook. This is the forum for discussing Everton, whether you're fan or not, whether its positive or negative. We should allow everybody their opinion with a smile on our face, because if they only knew their history, they'd understand

Kudos to Jags and Moyes for their monthly awards. We've had 10 clean sheets since we lost to Villa back at the start of december and a lot of that is thanks to Jags. Only Arsenal, United, Liverpool and Villa (by pen) have scored against us since. A monumental achievement when we remember how leaky we started the campaign (to our eternal cost)

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