If you had the choice, would you leave Ireland?

DeadBankClerk · 26-09-2002 04:21PM

<J1 Tosser>

I just came back from three months living in New York City (Brooklyn to be precise). To be honest I would seriously consider moving there to live when I am finished my degree.

It is sunny and warm every day of the summer, and it snows in the winter. Every day we could just walk across the road to the park and have a game of soccer or frisbee with who ever is in the park.

Where we lived was right beside the projects (council housing) and never once did I feel threatened walking but a crowd of scumbags (although there were scumbags, they keep to themselves).

Everyone is happy in the city. I came home and found Dublin grey and dull and cold, and the peoples attitudes are so self-centered here.

</J1 Tosser>

BEAT · 26-09-2002 04:57PM

Originally posted by Shinji
Distressingly, I agree with most of what WWman says here

I wouldn't move to the USA mind, despite the fact that loads of folk on this thread seem to think it'd be great there. American people really, fundamentally annoy me (ignorant people do in general, and America has far more than its fair share of those) and I've really not liked what I've seen of the country. Horrible, leeching kind of nation, with no culture or depth of its own, just a recycled and cheapened version of other nations' achievements... Bleh. I'll stick to Europe cheers, and maybe the Far East at some later point.

I absolutley agree with what Shinji has stated here, mind you, I just moved to Ireland from America. Many of my reasons, are listed above. Yes, I know the grass is always greener and such, but really...it is

I love it here and hope I get to stay, having found a job and all. If not I would try to live elsewhere in europe, 25 yrs in America is quite more than enough thanks.

Elmo · 26-09-2002 05:07PM

gone to the mainland.
and funnily enough, every time i go back to ireland the only thing i miss are my friends and family.
the standard of living is appalling in ireland, and its only when you leave do you realise just how bad it is.
the whole political issue us a shambles. ive never seen so much corruptiona dn incompetance in my life. but sure, thats ok, coz shure, arent we only oirish anyway.
the nice thing about surrey is that there are no shiney tracksuit wearing knackers here. no matter what part of ireland you go to there are knackers. dirty, foul, smelly knackers. am i racist against them?
am i a snob? you bet your ass i am.
ireland is filthy.
it is dirty.
the weather is always crap.
the insurance...doint start me.
the price of everything is just stupid.
the service industry is rubbish. its like banging your head in a car door over and over and over again.
plastic bag tax (!)

no, its easier for me to name the good things about ireland, the bad things are too long a list.
will i go back. for visits absolutely. its nice to see the reasons why i left, but its nicer to see my friends and family.
will i go back to live, not in this 10 years.
maybe when luas is built and dublin finally has a decent transport system.
or
if the house market crashes and i can buy a house cheaply. then i will buy 3, charge horrendous rent to students and screw people the way i was screwed fo so many years.
am i bitter?
no. lessons learnt and all that. im just glad i had the chance to leave, and that i took it. and that it worked out
if it hadnt, id be back in ireland saying bad things about england.

im glad i left.

I am glad you left too.

Stop Giving out so much. thats all we do in Ireland Give out. Boo Who I am a winger from Ireland Look at all the refugees coming into my country and all the ****ing travellers they mess up my area so much and the politicans are so so corrupt and the TV is **** and we pay so much for everything and we don't have broadband and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and BOO FEICIN WHO.

Get up of your lazy asses and do something or shut up and put up.

WhiteWashMan · 26-09-2002 05:56PM

Originally posted by Elmo

I am glad you left too.

and im glad you managed to read my post and take it all in correctly...

Originally posted by Elmo

Stop Giving out so much. thats all we do in Ireland Give out. Boo Who I am a winger from Ireland

i was asked for an opinion and i told why i left ireland.
and then you turn around and say that all irish are moaners.
bit hypocritical after telling me youre glad i left.
so, that rules out anything you have to say doesnt it.

Originally posted by Elmo

Look at all the refugees coming into my country

didnt notice me say anything about forigners. hold on i will go back and check.
nope, definately didnt say anything about refugees.
now youre just making things up.
so, that rules out anything you say doesnt it, again....

Originally posted by Elmo

and all the ****ing travellers they mess up my area so much

i dont think i mentioned the travelling community. you may have mixed up knackers, but i assure you thats what i mean.

Originally posted by Elmo
and the politicans are so so corrupt and the TV is **** and we pay so much for everything and we don't have broadband and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and BOO FEICIN WHO.

now, do you actually have a point here?
you see you have just mentined lots of things that píss of a lot of people in ireland.
so whats your point. please make one because youre wasting people upload time here.
i guess you still dont have anything interesting to say.

Originally posted by Elmo

Get up of your lazy asses and do something or shut up and put up.

i did.
i left.
what more would you like me to do?

and next time you have a go at me for giving an opinion when specifically asked, make a decent point, question my opinions, or just shut the fúck up.
ok?

now, why dont you tell us your opinions?

Elmo · 26-09-2002 06:35PM

As i don't care much for "Whiner " and as you in your introduction seem like a "Whiner " as i got about as far as

the standard of living is appalling in ireland, and its only when you leave do you realise just how bad it is.

And thought not again another f**kin Whiner .

My point is everyone in Ireland Gives out all the time always. "If its not one thing its another" - I hate that statement.

What I was trying to say, WhiteWashMan, was that most Irish people complain alot but never do anything about it. Oh wait some go to the "Mainland". By that i assume you mean Britain (and at that you mean England) and not Europe.

the nice thing about surrey is that there are no shiney tracksuit wearing knackers here. no matter what part of ireland you go to there are knackers. dirty, foul, smelly knackers. am i racist against them?

Whiner

ireland is filthy.
it is dirty.
the weather is always crap.
the insurance...doint start me.
the price of everything is just stupid.
.

Whiner

no, its easier for me to name the good things about ireland, the bad things are too long a list.

Whiner

its nice to see the reasons why i left,

MY GOD MAN THE FACT THAT YOU MADE ME READ YOUR CRAP YOUR F**KIN CRAP IT IS JUST SO S*IT F**KIN S*IT S*IT S*IT.

I am sick of this (and if i have to use this french f**king phrase again i will go insane if i am not aready insane about what you have just mentioned) "Laize a faire" attitude of the irish. The best think that we can all do is to leave this god for saken island (Oh my god now i agree with you).

if it hadnt, id be back in ireland saying bad things about england.

The only good thing about your post is that you can actually admit you are a "Whiner ".

i did.
i left.
what more would you like me to do?.

Do what you think is right get up of your ass and do something don't complain, don't just leave because things don't work out and if things get better don't come

back to live, not in this 10 years.

Because your just a paddy that will never be happy and you never did anything to improve Ireland because you where on the "Mainland".

Also I agree with the 15 cent tax on bags it reduces waste. I don't find many people giving out about it if they did it wouldn't be there. Its like Fags and drink they should be that price because they are bad for you.

Now That the best Whining i can do but i am sure you can do better.

DeadBankClerk · 26-09-2002 08:34PM

You're just digging deeper Elmo.

Blade · 26-09-2002 09:42PM

Originally posted by Elmo
What I was trying to say, WhiteWashMan, was that most Irish people complain alot but never do anything about it.

Do what you think is right get up of your ass and do something don't complain, don't just leave because things don't work out

Because your just a paddy that will never be happy and you never did anything to improve Ireland

Yeah WWM!!! You just up and left the country instead of staying here and sorting out all the problems. The least you could have done before you left was:

*Kill all the knackers
*Ban all tracksuits
*Sack the entire Government
*Sweep and fix all the roads in Ireland
*Forced all the insurance companies to lower their prices
*Forced all shop keepers and pub owners to lower their prices (and ban all travellers)
*Reduce taxation to a European average
*Give broadband to the entire country for 20 Euro a month
*Teach Irish people how to drive properly before allowing them on the road

You B@stard!

Pugsley · 26-09-2002 10:16PM

Personally i'm moving up north next year, where believe it or not I think it's safer, and has a much better infrastructure than this place

Etho, im from the north and I can quite assure you its no better, albiet you get decent internet (£25/month for 512k cable in belfast) in most places, cable is being installed in fermanagh (where im from) pretty soon, i should have it by christmas. Belfast is probably worse than dublin, theres a petrol/pipe bomb attack on someones home almost every week (you hear new ones every day on the local news), the politics is a load of sh*t, but i dont pay any heed to it. So dont think its much better except the pricing, house's are a rip off aswell in most places.
But i aint goin nowhere, i like the my little peaceful (ghost

) town, and since im not a very sociable guy i really dont give much of a damn what happens in the town as long as my mates dont go diein on me

eth0_ · 27-09-2002 12:01AM

Originally posted by Pugsley

Etho, im from the north and I can quite assure you its no better, albiet you get decent internet (£25/month for 512k cable in belfast) in most places, cable is being installed in fermanagh (where im from) pretty soon, i should have it by christmas. Belfast is probably worse than dublin

I'm from Belfast myself, moved to the republic about 8 years ago, and while Belfast was a hole when I lived there, it now has a lot more redeeming factors than Dublin, from my point of view...

But then as I said...the grass is always greener and all that

Doodee · 27-09-2002 02:32AM

OMG YES,
3 reasons
1.Corrupt and ****tey political system
2. No broadband or promising infastructure, even tourism is about to suffer, and thats been the family business for 2 generations
3.The People, Im sorry, I may be irish myself but alot of Irish ppl are Lazy,dirty,have the ability to be cruel, and will only do something if their freedom is threatened. The Sterotype of Ireland being friendly is dwindling, Look at how we looked upon Assylum seekers, ffs, us Irish have been emigrating for years. yes the system is faulty (Having a child over here means u can bring in both families) but the actual assylum seekers themselves who may be fleeing War or Poverty or just looking for oportunities deserve more and we owe it to them.

I can seem myself being flamed for this but its my opinien, I've been in a position where I've been able to see the difference between Irish and other nationals.
This country appears to be a one Citied one, where the country revolves around Dublin due to its population, how are the other cities meant to develop?
I could go on for ages. Majourity of what i say my parents discussed at the table.....

kamobe · 27-09-2002 02:42AM

I spent the summer in America. Loved it for what it was, but in the end i couldn't *wait* to get home. I never thought I enjoyed being here so much, untill i left

WhiteWashMan · 27-09-2002 08:19AM

Originally posted by Elmo
As i don't care much for "Whiner " and as you in your introduction seem like a "Whiner " as i got about as far as

ah, so you didnt even bother to read what i said.
and then you comment.
seems a bit stupid to me.

Originally posted by Elmo

And thought not again another f**kin Whiner .

you must have a lot of whiners in your part of the world.

Originally posted by Elmo
.

My point is everyone in Ireland Gives out all the time always. "If its not one thing its another" - I hate that statement.

so, you have a point do you.
well, let it out why dont you.
why dont oyu tell us all about it. tell us why, give us examples, make us understand.
dont just sit there and say 'youre wrong' and then hurl abuse.
what age are you, 12?

Originally posted by Elmo

What I was trying to say, WhiteWashMan, was that most Irish people complain alot but never do anything about it. Oh wait some go to the "Mainland". By that i assume you mean Britain (and at that you mean England) and not Europe.

do you know everyone in ireland do you?
how do you know what they do and dont do?
assume as you wish, i thought that saying i lived in surrey gave it away myself, but there you go, unless theres a surrey in sa, the south of france?

Originally posted by Elmo

MY GOD MAN THE FACT THAT YOU MADE ME READ YOUR CRAP YOUR F**KIN CRAP IT IS JUST SO S*IT F**KIN S*IT S*IT S*IT.

i didnt make you do anything.

the fact that ive annoyed you by posting a reply to your rubbish actually has cheered me up.

Originally posted by Elmo
I am sick of this (and if i have to use this french f**king phrase again i will go insane if i am not aready insane about what you have just mentioned) "Laize a faire" attitude of the irish. The best think that we can all do is to leave this god for saken island (Oh my god now i agree with you).

gosh, arent you just full of hypocracy today!
if youre going to argue with me, at least keep your argument balanced and stop making yourself look a like a silly billy eh?
oh, and if youre sick of the irish attitude, what are YOU doing to improve it?
you ask me why i didnt help to fix whats wrong, well, now im asking why you dont fix the attitude of people.
give me a full document on what the problem is, why you think we have it, how it developed, and wht you propose to do about it.
go on smart arsé, you seem to have all the answers, why dont you provide us with some.
or are you actually going to pipe down and be quiet like you know you should.

Originally posted by Elmo
The only good thing about your post is that you can actually admit you are a "Whiner ".

easily pleased arent you?

by the way, can you quote where i said that?

Originally posted by Elmo

Do what you think is right get up of your ass and do something don't complain, don't just leave because things don't work out and if things get better don't come

let see.
i think weve covered this havent we.
i was asked for an opinion, i gave it. i gave a list of reasons to back up why i left.

by the way, with your unsolicited advice there, what if i believe the right thing to do is to leave becuase things dont work out?

perhaps some more of your valuable advice on how to live our lives is needed?.*

Originally posted by Elmo

Because your just a paddy that will never be happy and you never did anything to improve Ireland because you where on the "Mainland".

why do you think im irish?

and how do you know what my achievements in ireland are?

and why dont you tell us what youve done to make ireland a better place, and id like you to start with my list, becuase these are the issues that are important to me.
please give examples and details and perhaps contactable proof of these things.
i await your reply on this one

Originally posted by Elmo

Also I agree with the 15 cent tax on bags it reduces waste. I don't find many people giving out about it if they did it wouldn't be there. Its like Fags and drink they should be that price because they are bad for you. .

caution: do not consume any plastic bags an hour before swimming....

Originally posted by Elmo

Now That the best Whining i can do but i am sure you can do better.

no, youre still a moany little twat.
all ive done is put down an opinion and back it up and tell you where i think you are wrong.

now, you can write back, i hope you do.
but can you ask someone to read it first before you post it so that we can get some sort of descent discussion going instead of this diatribe of rubbish and hypocracy and small-mindedness that you are spouting.

havea nice day sweetie.

eth0_ · 27-09-2002 10:35AM

Why on earth is WWM calling the UK the 'mainland'?

Sounds like some sort of **** stirring tactic to me...

WhiteWashMan · 27-09-2002 11:10AM

Originally posted by eth0_
Why on earth is WWM calling the UK the 'mainland'?

Sounds like some sort of **** stirring tactic to me...

obviously another person who cant or wont read what is written.

ohgratuitous · 27-09-2002 01:40PM

i've gone to england from northern ireland. and i really didn't want to at the time (brain drain etc) but it was proving impossible to follow my career at home and it was too good an opportunity to pass. looking back it's the best thing i ever did. i miss it uber amounts, but like someone else said, it's a family thing, not the place so much...

The_Conductor · 27-09-2002 02:11PM

There is a difference between corruption and ineptitude- unfortunately here in Ireland we have both in large supply.
Ceding control of our finances to Brussels was one of the best things we ever did, as we are incapable of taking care of them ourselves.
I've worked abroad for literally years, in different countries on the continent. In no other country have I encountered such a collection of begrudgers, moaners, and mindless do-gooders.
Yet I love my country.
Strange isn't it....

Mistakill · 27-09-2002 03:39PM

once im finshed third level education im moving to a scandinavian country like Norway or sweden.

One: because the internet line over is supposedly fast and cheap (thats what ive been told)

Two: Because Sweden is a sort of left-wing country the social welfare is sort of high. higher than Irleand anyways (not that im going to become a doler).

Three: Irleand trully is a Sh|t hole. Its the dirtiest country in Europe.

ohgratuitous · 27-09-2002 03:46PM

three: irleand trully is a sh|t hole. its the dirtiest country in europe.

sometimes my irish friends and i over here (england) discuss if we somehow romanticise ireland because we no longer live there because we have happy memories from growing up and being educated there. but when i see the criticism it comes in for in this thread, i wonder even more so. is it really that bad? i can only speak for the north because i’ve only ever lived there (although naturally, i was in the south often) but i really believe that, despite everything that’s gone done up there, it’s a truly beautiful part of the world.

anyone with me?

Dr. Loon · 27-09-2002 03:54PM

Originally posted by ohgratuitous

sometimes my irish friends and i over here (england) discuss if we somehow romanticise ireland because we no longer live there because we have happy memories from growing up and being educated there. but when i see the criticism it comes in for in this thread, i wonder even more so. is it really that bad? i can only speak for the north because i’ve only ever lived there (although naturally, i was in the south often) but i really believe that, despite everything that’s gone done up there, it’s a truly beautiful part of the world.

anyone with me?

Yeah I'm with ye. Everybody else on the thread is a moany wánker

The_Conductor · 27-09-2002 04:46PM

No matter how much you complain about Ireland being the dirtiest country in Europe, you have to admit it has improved in leaps and bounds in the last year or two.
Sure, O'Connell Street probably looks like Dunsink at 11PM on a Friday night, but by hook or by crook its spotless by 6.30AM the following morning. We have a hell of a lot to do, but we are gettting there, albeit slowly......

Mercury_Tilt · 27-09-2002 05:09PM

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Corega · 27-09-2002 05:42PM

I realise that Ireland is somewhat f*cked up in a lot of areas, however I could'nt leave my country for more then 3 months, everytime I step off a plane returning from a holiday I feel like kissing the wet, freezing tarmac. I can't really explain this feeling in words but I love my country.

mike65 · 27-09-2002 06:29PM

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
Lived in the uk for about 8 ish years........ thought it was great. then thought it was ****.

Dublin 4 years. Its starting to feel **** now.

The mainland kicks irelands ass though for a lot of reasons.

Cough!:eek:

Mike.

Cork · 27-09-2002 09:00PM

I would like to leave for a while but the world wide economy is down at the moment. Visas to the US, Canada and OZ seem hard to get.

But I would love to travel for a while.

Are working visas hard to obtain?

The Gopher · 27-09-2002 09:57PM

Ive a cousin who did the student work visa in the states several times while in college,went several times across Europe and went to Africa for a year.And sometimes I just wonder why she does it.Why do some people love to get away from home so much?I mean she lives in a nice area of Dublin near enough to everything entertainment wise and yet she still always goes abroad every summer.I mean her brother is roughly the same age and like me doesnt go abroad bar the odd holiday to Ibiza.I just cant understand how some people can be so restless!If i live somewhere where there are good places to go at the weekend,I have friends,I know the place well and I have my bed Im as happy as a pig in ****e:)
However I have often wondered what life would be like if we had one of those East European style economies where a young persons choice can basically be emigrate or your fcuked.Many Irish complain about how bad employees at various places are when it comes to speaking our lingo.But how good would you be at speaking a foreign language all day?
I did German in school until 3rd year and TBH Id know how to hold a german conversation about as easily as the romanian street beggars who know little more than the english line"Buy big issue".In much of Europe the natives comnplain that immigrants refuse to assimilate-TBF I probably would keep with my own group where I could speak my own language rather than making a fool outta myself by making friends with Germans with whom i can barely converse.

Gearoid · 28-09-2002 08:53PM

WhitewashMan, just a note to say that you have ****ed up view of the geographical situation in Europe.
England is not the mainland unless your from the Isle of white or dat type of thing.
I just hope ur only joking....

LOUGHLIN · 28-09-2002 10:31PM

get to grips with yourself - surrey - it mustrain just s much a in ireland. you say to the mainland . normal irish peole say "across the waters" mai,land is maiknland europe , in other words the continent.

Ireland for me is the countryside and not just the people , we are su lucky to have such a nice country , travel more and you may realise this.

France, i have lived here for .... years and i can say that it is not as good as you may think ,

we can change your lives and be happy if we are at heart a happy and optimist person,

i know irish people , in ireland that have good jobs , a family etc and are not happy with their lives, i also know irish people in france with their house , family and friends and not happy with their lives

how many people run away from themselves

Doc · 29-09-2002 01:01AM

I’m not living in Ireland at the moment. I moved to England as I did not get the points in the leaving certificate that were required for the university course I wished to do in Ireland.

I do not regret coming to England as it forced me to become more independent and self reliant but would never stay here forever.
I can’t explain why but nowhere else I have ever been feels like home or even feels like it could be made my home. Ireland has some kind of hold on me and no mater where I live in my life it will always be my home.

I have a dream home already envisaged on the west coast of Clare that I intend to build when I’m fully qualified and can afford it. In all my travels nowhere for me comes close to the rugged beauty of the west coast of Ireland.

I do love to travel and intend to continue to visit different places and may even live in one or two at some point or other as I think a lot of people will but I will never call these places home, that will always be Ireland.

LOUGHLIN · 30-09-2002 08:26AM

I agree. and it is not just the people, family, friends etc. I enjoy the land. I also travel a lot and like travelling but Ireland beats them all. We could do with a bit more sunshine though. But it is far from being the rainiest country in the world

WhiteWashMan · 30-09-2002 09:58AM

Originally posted by Gearoid
WhitewashMan, just a note to say that you have ****ed up view of the geographical situation in Europe.
England is not the mainland unless your from the Isle of white or dat type of thing.
I just hope ur only joking....

or what?

might i add that you go back and read some of my posts and you will see where it cojmes from.

Originally posted by LOUGHLIN
get to grips with yourself - surrey - it mustrain just s much a in ireland. you say to the mainland . normal irish peole say "across the waters" mai,land is maiknland europe , in other words the continent.

jesus, you know i get bored of you fúckers not reading full threads.
no, there isnt as much rain in surrey as there is in dublin.
have a look at a map sometime will you.

Originally posted by LOUGHLIN
Ireland for me is the countryside and not just the people , we are su lucky to have such a nice country , travel more and you may realise this.

a nice country? what age are you? 9?

have you ever considered that different people like different things?
with something like that i could turn around and call you a small minded biggot, and i wouldnt be far wrong.

Originally posted by LOUGHLIN

France, i have lived here for .... years and i can say that it is not as good as you may think ,

i have never thought of living in france, but thanks, i will mark it off my list.

Originally posted by LOUGHLIN

we can change your lives and be happy if we are at heart a happy and optimist person,

what has being happy got to do with the option to leave ireland?

Originally posted by LOUGHLIN

i know irish people , in ireland that have good jobs , a family etc and are not happy with their lives, i also know irish people in france with their house , family and friends and not happy with their lives

sorry, are you on a different thread?

Originally posted by LOUGHLIN

how many people run away from themselves

i dont know, how many people run away from themselves?

are you insinuating that people who move countries are obviously running away becuase theres no way anyone could want to leave ireland?
is that what you are saying?

i have given a list of reasons why i would leave ireland, but i could give you a longer list on why i would live where i live now.
and i dont think any of them are for personal problems that involve running away.
id like you to give me more info on this running away business please. and while youre at it, maybe you can tell us more about the happiness thing, thats making me curious. can you give me a link to the thread that that is supposed to be in?
cheers

If you had the choice, would you leave Ireland?

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