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Judo vs Ju-Jitso

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  • #32
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Boston wrote: »
    I wouldn't perform an unskilled and uncontrolled move just to win, and I wouldn't perform a move those sole purpose was to hurt/injure with no prospect of gaining a tactical advantage. I've encountered people who have no problem doing either.

    Nice clip btw.


    Uncontrolled techniques are illegal in Judo, and moves designed to injure (ie your opponent has little or no defence against) - throwing onto the head, attacking the spine, throwing facing forwards are all illegal, attacking the shoulder or legs are all illegal.

    After that its entirely up to your opponent to defend themselves, be that with a counter technique or a tap out.

    For instance, in Randori I don't think there's any excuse for breaking/injuring your opponents elbow in an arm bar. However in competition the onus is on your opponent to protect themselves and no proportion of blaim can be levelled at you the attacker.

    Chokes are a little different (but thats a personal opinion) as I think in Randori although Tori has alot of control some people just won't tap, or they'll leave it until the last second (I'll tap early to an arm bar, but I'll defend the choke to the last second).

    As with Yamashita in the clip, it was legal and entirely appropriate for his opponents to attack his obviously injured leg.


  • #33
    jim o doom
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    cowzerp wrote: »
    Just because its not good for competition does not make it good for the street, i done it for about 6 months and it was the biggest waste of time ever, learned more in 1 weeks Boxing or MMA.

    eh I never said ANYWHERE in my post that kenpo was no good for competition.. I just said it was mainly street oriented..

    I can't really comment on your own personal experience with the art - was it tradional kenpo, shotokan, something along those lines, or (what I'm doing) Ed Parkers american style? - personally I love it and find it on practical terms to be excellent - I am fitter, stronger, faster, more confident in myself and my ability to defend myself from it - so my own personal experience has been exempliary -sadly unlike your own..
    Also I don't know training you received nor what quality of instructor - we have a 7th dan 2nd generation black belt - fastest moving toughest 60+ year old I've ever met - his love of the art is simply infectious :)

    The reason I bring it up is that I don't think the grappling arts are ideal for a lot of street confrontations as many times an attacker may have help/mates - and if you are grappling with him - especially on the ground - then the mates could be actively kicking you in the head/nuts/doing god knows what to you.. and the OP did mention self defense! - grappling is good for a doorman to have because he has the backup of other doormen and the law a short phone call away - a person on the street does not necessarily have those advantages. Also doormen could face legal implications for assaulting (read punching/kicking/whatever) an opponent - so knowledge of restraining and locking technique can be very necessary.

    And please judo/jiu jisu people don't jump on me for the post - I am quite interested in learning some jiu jitsu with a kenpo BB mate of mine, when I acquire my own BB & have some spare time for another art! :)


  • #34
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    jim o doom wrote: »
    And please judo/jiu jisu people don't jump on me for the post - I am quite interested in learning some jiu jitsu with a kenpo BB mate of mine, when I acquire my own BB & have some spare time for another art! :)

    Why should we jump on you for expressing your love and dedication to your chosen style?.

    Tbh I think its pretty pathetic when people talk about training in a sport in preparation for a street attack, but if thats what motivates someone to stay fit, focused & dedicated then I won't knock it - I just think its a little Walter Mitty thats all.

    .


  • #35
    jim o doom
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    Mairt wrote: »
    Why should we jump on you for expressing your love and dedication to your chosen style?.

    Tbh I think its pretty pathetic when people talk about training in a sport in preparation for a street attack, but if thats what motivates someone to stay fit, focused & dedicated then I won't knock it - I just think its a little Walter Mitty thats all.

    .

    ah - I do kenpo because I have a great love of it - like mentally I split arts into different groups (I'm sure most do) and some of them are competing arts, like Jiu jitsu and judo - and are good in a fighting situation as well;- depending on the situation..

    So I do it for fun, fitness & because the world being a dangerous place & the most likely place for me to get attacked being in real life, on a street, in a pub - hell even my own house (im not paranoid about getting attacked haha.. in case it sounds that way!) - I think what I learn should be applicable to those potential situations.. (I dunno how walter mitty im sounding here - Im a brown belt myself - it's just how I feel about it - probably wayyy off topic!)

    The reason I piped in initially was that the OP mentionned self defense & to me kenpo is particularily good for that! but Im probably harping on at length and boring ye all so I'll leave it out - plus the OP already said he has found something he is interested in to boot :)


  • #36
    Nothingcompares
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    Boston wrote: »
    I wouldn't perform an unskilled and uncontrolled move just to win,

    What do you mean? What's an unskilled move? Like a normal move performed unskillfully?


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  • #37
    Boston
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    A move which I knew in all likely I wouldn't be able to perform correctly and in failure to do so I was likely to injure another person. Unskilled and uncontrolled together. Example being a move where a person is very likely to land badly.


  • #38
    Nothingcompares
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    I kinda see what you're saying but at the same time I'm struggling to get a real life example in my head. It's kinda like the heel hook issue, I don't use them because the risk of injury is too great .

    Like if I go for a throw and the person defends and I still try and attack it's a common struggle in grappling. There's a number of different outcomes:

    1. I'll be successful and perform a perfect throw
    2. The person will defend so well no throw will take place
    3. I'll half throw the person
    4. The defender will struggle and land awkwardly.
    5. The defender will struggle and land without score and without any kind of injury


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