Free energy suppression

02-03-2009 01:44PM

Diogenes wrote: »

Leaving aside how bat **** crazy that is. What 50 Miles to a battery at a full moon? 30? What?

Dad, do I need to top the car up? I don't know son, better call the observatory!

02-03-2009 01:50PM

Diogenes wrote: »

against peoples beloved laws of thermodynamics,

Hey, hey don't knock it, once I get beyond the beloved laws of gravity we all get hover boots.

I don't know. I do love my laws of thermodynamics.
I take extra care to kiss them all goodnight and tuck them in tight to prevent increased entropy due to heat loss. (physicist joke lol.)

Flamed Diving · 02-03-2009 01:51PM

If you were to come up with a unit of measurement for ignorance, what would it be?

02-03-2009 01:55PM

Flamed Diving wrote: »

If you were to come up with a unit of measurement for ignorance, what would it be?

E_t [ ( L/N ) * 1/CT ] * B

Where E_t is the persons expectation of the number of ruling lizards divided by the human population (before the massacre of course) times one over the chemtrail coefficient all multiplied by the belief in perpetual motion in the real world.

If E_t > 0, then hope that person isn't in a position of power!

Edit: B could also be the Black Helicopter coefficient I suppose. I would run this in MatLab but I am worried that the results might vanish me.

02-03-2009 01:56PM

Flamed Diving wrote: »

If you were to come up with a unit of measurement for ignorance, what would it be?

The zeitgeist maybe?

6th · 02-03-2009 02:16PM

Ok lads, this isn't exactly constructive now is it?

Put nice simple questions to MC and see if he answers them. If he cant/wont answer them then that says a lot more than any childish jibes.

6th · 02-03-2009 02:18PM

Flamed Diving wrote: »

If you were to come up with a unit of measurement for ignorance, what would it be?

Further posts like this by anyone will be acted upon. Think before you post folks.

02-03-2009 02:22PM

6th wrote: »

Ok lads, this isn't exactly constructive now is it?

Put nice simple questions to MC and see if he answers them. If he cant/wont answer them then that says a lot more than any childish jibes.

Those questions have been going since the thread started - you can't make Diogenes last question any more simpler. He even broke the words down into lots of little sections to aid simplicity.

02-03-2009 02:23PM

6th wrote: »

Ok lads, this isn't exactly constructive now is it?

Put nice simple questions to MC and see if he answers them. If he cant/wont answer them then that says a lot more than any childish jibes.

Fair enough.

MC,

1) What evidence do you have the shows there is more energy being produced than is accounted for by the burning of hydrogen alone like you claim? (Orgone or whatever.)
2) Why would the powers-that-be suppress a technology that stand to make the stupid huge amounts of money?
3) Can you supply any evidence that people have vanished because they invented some kind of free energy device?

This isn't the first time I've asked any of these questions by the way.

6th · 02-03-2009 02:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Those questions have been going since the thread started - you can't make Diogenes last question any more simpler. He even broke the words down into lots of little sections to aid simplicity.

And has MC posted since? No.

Step 1: Ask a question.

Step 2: Wait for response.

Step 3: Pick the response to pieces!

Would that work?

6th · 02-03-2009 02:26PM

King Mob wrote: »

Fair enough.

MC,

1) What evidence do you have the shows there is more energy being produced than is accounted for by the burning of hydrogen alone like you claim? (Orgone or whatever.)
2) Why would the powers-that-be suppress a technology that stand to make the stupid huge amounts of money?
3) Can you supply any evidence that people have vanished because they invented some kind of free energy device?

This isn't the first time I've asked any of these questions by the way.

MC, if you address these then you'll probably be taken seriously.

Its ok to put your hand up and say "I dont know" but that means you cant expect people to accept what you are saying.

fair?

02-03-2009 02:28PM

6th wrote: »

Would that work?

Hasn't been working to date, he has ignored all such questions posed to him. Questions such as 'how is your mates car providing free energy' have been abounding for the last while on here. But no responses. Questions asking what scientists have 'disappeared' have also been abouding around here. No response.

In fact any question that relates to free energy and his mates car has received no response.

6th · 02-03-2009 02:36PM

And so when there is no response to questions the thing to do is post crap as per post #90-#96?

A thread like this one trailing off with no backup being giving and no answers to direct questions would have done enough damage to the claims being made.

espinolman · 02-03-2009 02:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In fact any question that relates to free energy and his mates car has received no response.

That might be because it is nighttime down under.

02-03-2009 02:43PM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

the Joe Cell

this does work

http://pesn.com/2006/04/16/9600261_Joe_Cell_instructions/

this is a good source of info
http://panaceauniversity.org/

King Mob wrote: »

And you know it works because......?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

either of you know anyone in brisbane that can come over on saturday and see one of these in action.

quirky or not I can tell you now that I have a mate who runs a 1974 Nissan Patrol Ute on one of these devices.

I've seen it in action

King Mob wrote: »

And as we all know you are infallible.

So does it run on orgone or some other magic?
Or is it petrol with a subjective idea of it going longer before refueling?

Can you explain how it works and how it is effected by lunar cycles?

You know I've a friend in, lets say, France who runs his car on, lets say, hamsters in wheels. Why do you deny the potential of Hamster based power?

Diogenes wrote: »

Are you saying that your mate's engine runs off a constant charge after a intial charge?

Can I ask, if you think this technology is being suppressed how exactly do you think you can openly discuss it on the interweb?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Whereabouts in France is this friend of yours with the magical Hamsterwheel car, so that I may get one of My friends in France to view it and independently verify that it does in fact run on Hamster Power

That's what I'm offering you here, the chance to have someone that you select meet me and my mate in Brisbane or the surrounding area on Saturday afternoon and inspect a WORKING JOE CELL

they can even bring a Camcorder and we can post it on youtube later that evening for the rest of the Forum to see.

I don't claim an infallible knowledge of these things

All I'm saying is I've seen it work, powering the engine without any other fuel source

Surely one of ye knows someone in SEQ that's not a member of Boards and therefore can be accepted by all parties as an Independent Eye Witness

King Mob wrote: »

Ok after digging through a lot of bull**** I think I figured how this thing is supposed to work.

MC, how is this joe cell thing actually hooked up to the engine?
Is the car battery fully charged when it's started?
Does the car battery ever run out? If so how often?
Is there any petrol at all used in the engine even during start up?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I can offer you shedloads of evidence, most of which you would choose to dismiss.

their plane would still have flown, whats your point?

I'm offerin you a chance to be proven wrong, I know I'm right, you wont believe ME, find someone who you will believe, or better still make your way to Australia and have a look at the device yerself, no amount of evidence that I provide will be sufficent for you so come and see for yourself

did you miss the part earlier about people publicising these things dying off mysteriously, and my mate didnt invent anything we just took a set of plans freely available on the internet and made the thing, lo and behold it works.

whats that quote about the universe not needing to be in sync with your desires[/QUOTE]

King Mob wrote: »

Dude, no you haven't. All you said is that you see one work. And offered on explaintion to how it actually works just an insistence that it does.

If it's so easy to test why not provide a link to a independent scientific test of the device? Surely they must exist is this thing actually works.

Is that the part you're yet to show any basis for? I think it is.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

what else is it? functioning, how about that.

I said it worked, I never claimed to have a deep insight into how it works, I've offered the chance to independently verify that it works

Diogenes wrote: »

With respect his link in the first page suggested devices that defy the laws of physics.

As to Mahatma. Your original claim is wildly different from what you are now stating.

You say that the car has the same "miles to gallon" as any other car, with respect many car's MPG are wildly different. Furthermore have you worked out the cost of the specialised water? The Hydrogen?

Your "Free" energy looks to be more and more expensive.

Lots of questions and their 'replies' which bassically are 'come down to Aus and see the car'.

Also a post by 6th saying that breaking the laws of physics being magic is just my opinion. Implying in your opinion it can be done rationally.

6th · 02-03-2009 02:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Also a post by 6th saying that breaking the laws of physics being magic is just my opinion. Implying in your opinion it can be done rationally.

Not at all what I was questioning was you're use of the terms magic and supernatural. Why use terminology that goes against what you believe? If you want to put something across say it as well as you can.

02-03-2009 02:55PM

6th wrote: »

Not at all what I was questioning was you're use of the terms magic and supernatural. Why use terminology that goes against what you believe? If you want to put something across say it as well as you can.

Ok then, here we go again:

I believe that anything which can produce free energy is 'magic'. Magic, by my definition, is the suspension of the physical order (as opposed to illusion which is the appearance of the suspension of the physical order).

Show me a machine which breaks the laws of the physics and I will show you a true magician.

indough · 02-03-2009 03:04PM

what if the laws of physics as we know them now are not 100% accurate?

Flamed Diving · 02-03-2009 03:06PM

indough wrote: »

what if the laws of physics as we know them now are not 100% accurate?

They aren't. No theories or laws are.

02-03-2009 03:08PM

indough wrote: »

what if the laws of physics as we know them now are not 100% accurate?

They are demonstrably accurate in all tests so far devised.
Which is more likely: that every piece of evidence supporting thermodynamics is completely wrong and fools scientists consistently or that the guy who madea free energy machine in his garage is either stupid, lying or both?

indough · 02-03-2009 03:18PM

exactly, in all test so far devised

for the record i dont believe in these inventions/scams but i dont rule out the possibility of free energy in the future, perhaps something to do with dark energy or some other form we dont yet understand (i dont know im not a scientist)

Diogenes · 02-03-2009 03:38PM

indough wrote: »

exactly, in all test so far devised

for the record i dont believe in these inventions/scams but i dont rule out the possibility of free energy in the future, perhaps something to do with dark energy or some other form we dont yet understand (i dont know im not a scientist)

Hence the questions here, If someone is planning on violating several major laws of physics I suspect they're going to need something more than a 33 year old Nissan pick up truck, something like this would be better, and more likely, perhaps?

indough · 02-03-2009 03:41PM

i understand your skepticism and that of others, i think in the same way (evidence before belief)

my point was that i am open to the idea that one day we might achieve free energy

jonbravo · 02-03-2009 05:15PM

indough wrote: »

i understand your skepticism and that of others, i think in the same way (evidence before belief)

my point was that i am open to the idea that one day we might achieve free energy

I think from readin this thread there is 2 much expressed about 'free energy' when before you can have free energy, you most find 'zero point energy,'im open to the idea of zero point energy as a way to find free energy, if you understand me ..:rolleyes:

02-03-2009 05:16PM

I'm not a scientist - what is zero poing energy?

(I'm also too lazy to google!)

indough · 02-03-2009 05:25PM

its complicated i dont really get it properly myself, some believe the nazis were experimenting with it but theres not substantial proof:

Die Glocke

jonbravo · 02-03-2009 05:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not a scientist - what is zero poing energy?

(I'm also too lazy to google!)

i'll be back in an hour,ive training ... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5738531568036565057 ,i dont know if its a good link,but have a look!?:)

Kernel · 02-03-2009 06:54PM

indough wrote: »

its complicated i dont really get it properly myself, some believe the nazis were experimenting with it but theres not substantial proof:

Die Glocke

This was explored in Nick Cook's excellent book 'The Hunt for Zero Point'. Good insight into the UFO phenomenon and the advanced propulsion research industry. A conspiracy classic imo.

jonbravo · 02-03-2009 10:04PM

jonbravo wrote: »

i'll be back in an hour,ive training ... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5738531568036565057 ,i dont know if its a good link,but have a look!?:)

Free energy is not far away at all, hope this was a good enuf link,ive listened to alot of steven greer,he tells it like it is... just google the name and you'll find lots about zero point energy also.

03-03-2009 12:20AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy

I'm not sure but it doesn't look like Zero point energy violates the laws of thermodynamics.

And there's no plausible mechanism by which any of the claimed devices could harness this energy.

It's possible that free energy might happen. However it very very unlikely that they are. So improbable in fact it is effectively impossible.

There is no evidence to suggest otherwise. So no reason to believe that anyone has harnessed it yet, let alone it's possible.

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