Free energy suppression

espinolman

I have started this new thread because a discussion has started in another thread about this in the CT forum .
Free energy suppression is a conspiracy theory :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_energy_suppression
Please post any links into this thread regarding free energy suppression or even any links debunking this conspiracy theory .

I think its bollocks, in this day an age if someone came up with it, there is no way that it could be prevented from being released on the internet.

the first person to come up with clean and cheap energy on a scale comparable to current sources has a Nobel Prize and immortal fame coming their way, not to mention a ton of money.

meglome

On a similar topic there's a mythbusters episode about petrol myths. They tried a series of devices and additives. Not one of these worked, most were less efficient.

Diogenes

espinolman wrote: »

I have started this new thread because a discussion has started in another thread about this in the CT forum .
Free energy suppression is a conspiracy theory :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_energy_suppression
Please post any links into this thread regarding free energy suppression or even any links debunking this conspiracy theory .

Free energy is an oxymoron. Energy will always transmute into another forum, or dissipate.

Diogenes

Diogenes wrote: »

Free energy is an oxymoron. Energy will always transmute into another forum, or dissipate.

I presume he meant some form of clean, renewable energy liky hydrogen powered cars etc.

Diogenes

Deleted User wrote: »

I presume he meant some form of clean, renewable energy liky hydrogen powered cars etc.

Ah no, if you look at the link he gives he's clearly talking about technology that violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics. You're giving conspiracy theorists too much credit, apparently there are ways to create perpetual motion machines, it's just the NWO don't want you to have them, because er, because they do, they're making enough money from oil okay, or something.

Never heard of Steron? a Irish company that claims it can violate the laws of conservation of motion using magnets. It's planning to release it's amazing world changing technology any day now*

* Since 2007.

bonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

I presume he meant some form of clean, renewable energy liky hydrogen powered cars etc.

Hydrogen-powered cars aren't an example of free or renewable energy, until we come up with a free, renewable way of forming hydrogen.

The closest we have to free, renewable energy that we know works are those which harness energy-sources such as solar, wind and water (conventional hydro and tidal). These technologies are, of course, not suppressed.

Diogenes

Diogenes wrote: »

Never heard of Steron? a Irish company that claims it can violate the laws of conservation of motion using magnets. It's planning to release it's amazing world changing technology any day now*

* Since 2007.

I remember them, its a pity that the light in the display case had such a grave impact on the experiment.. or something like that!

I always wondered did the NWO/lizards/joos invent the second law of thermodynamics and the resulting mathematical and experimental evidence to cover up free energy?

Nick_oliveri

2009 is supposed to be a good year for them, so says the website anyways. "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice.......shame on....you get fooled once you cant get fooled again"!

GhostInTheRuins

Maybe I'm wrong but isn't this all that steorn released? Crap, useless video footage.

I remember reading not so long ago about a group that put a ring of magnets on a board and a disc with polar opposite magnets inside it and when it was spun it would continue spinning because of the constant push/pull from the magnets, but, as usual, all that was released was dark, useless youtube footage :rolleyes:

Mahatma coat

From what I know about it this Free energy is Cosmic Backround radiation, just being harnessed like we do with solar and wind, the energy is not being created out of nothing as that would go against peoples beloved laws of thermodynamics, its just bein harnesses.

I believe Tesla had a working model in the 20's and there have been a few more variants on the design, all suppressed, over the years, like the engines that can 1000 miles on a cup of tapwater, where the designer goes public he and his vehicle have a nasty 'accident' shortly afterwards.

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

From what I know about it this Free energy is Cosmic Backround radiation, just being harnessed like we do with solar and wind, the energy is not being created out of nothing as that would go against peoples beloved laws of thermodynamics, its just bein harnesses.

Well first off there are no free energy devices that actually work in the first place to even support that idea.
Second noone who builds these thing ever claim anything like that.
And third how do you propose that a device with absolutely no components that would react in anyway to cosmic background radiation, turns said radiation into measurable power?
And why would they suppress this technology when they stand to make absurd amounts of money from it?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I believe Tesla had a working model in the 20's

Yea just like Edison's telephone that allowed you to talk to the dead.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

and there have been a few more variants on the design, all suppressed, over the years, like the engines that can 1000 miles on a cup of tapwater, where the designer goes public he and his vehicle have a nasty 'accident' shortly afterwards.

And what leads you to this conclusion exactly?
Have you tested these "engines that can 1000 miles on a cup of tapwater"?

Have you any source showing the inventor of such an engine died shortly afterwards let alone murdered to suppress the invention?

espinolman

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I believe Tesla had a working model in the 20's and there have been a few more variants on the design, all suppressed, over the years, like the engines that can 1000 miles on a cup of tapwater, where the designer goes public he and his vehicle have a nasty 'accident' shortly afterwards.

From my understanding of studying this subject i think anyone can build these devices' and power their homes' and cars for free as long as they don't tell anyone about it .

Time Magazine

espinolman wrote: »

From my understanding of studying this subject i think anyone can build these devices' and power their homes' and cars for free as long as they don't tell anyone about it .

But let me guess, you're not going to tell us how?

espinolman

espinolman wrote: »

From my understanding of studying this subject i think anyone can build these devices' and power their homes' and cars for free as long as they don't tell anyone about it .

And you come to this conclusion despite the lack of anything resembling evidence that these devices work plus the mountain of evidence show such devices cannot work because........??

espinolman

King Mob wrote: »

And you come to this conclusion despite the lack of anything resembling evidence that these devices work plus the mountain of evidence show such devices cannot work because........??

Look if you know there is evidence these devices cannot work then why don't you post links to it , there is so many on the internet that i think at least some of them probably work.

espinolman

espinolman wrote: »

Look if you know there is evidence these devices cannot work then why don't you post links to it ,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

particularly this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

It's funny that you ask me for evidence that they can't work, yet you haven't shown anything to show that they do.

espinolman wrote: »

there is so many on the internet that i think at least some of them probably work.

Well there's alot of psychics on the internet too therefore they must work as well.

Is that your only reason you believe that these things can work? It is on the internet?

espinolman

The Economist wrote: »

But let me guess, you're not going to tell us how?

Here is a book on how to:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/

Diogenes

Mahatma coat wrote: »

From what I know about it this Free energy is Cosmic Backround radiation, just being harnessed like we do with solar and wind, the energy is not being created out of nothing as that would go against peoples beloved laws of thermodynamics, its just bein harnesses.

So essentially we could harness it via magic. There is background radiation everywhere, however you'd expend more energy transforming this radiation into a power source than you could generate from the source.

Or how exactly do you think this works?

I believe Tesla

Ah Tesla the 21st century's Merlin.

had a working model in the 20's and there have been a few more variants on the design, all suppressed, over the years,

Can I ask a simple question, why suppress it? Why? Anyone in possession of such technology would be wealthy and powerful beyond imagination, further it would in a stroke element much of the resource hungry resource wastes on our planet, raising the living standards of our race.

If we could do this in the 20s we could already be colonising Mars.

like the engines that can 1000 miles on a cup of tapwater, where the designer goes public he and his vehicle have a nasty 'accident' shortly afterwards.

Funny that, same thing happens to the poor buggers who find atlantis.

Espionalman wrote:

Look if you know there is evidence these devices cannot work then why don't you post links to it ,

I would suggest you merely pick up a junior or leaving cert physics text book, they'll adequately explain why such a machine would violate the laws of physics.

"AH HA" you'll say, "But Science has been wrong before!", and we will say "Fair enough, but science is man enough to admit it is wrong, when it is wrong, so show us evidence that these laws are incorrect, build a working model of your machine, explain it, so we can revise our laws"

Cue Tumbleweed.

there is so many on the internet that i think at least some of them probably work.

There are also loads of herbal viagra, hot sexy lesbians waiting to speak to me, a nigerian prince, and a scottish missionary, as well as an Ethopian Diplomat who all need my help with an urgent and mutually beneficial financial proposition. And thats just in my spam box.

Build one of these machines, if they are widespread across the interweb, than they cannot be being suppressed, now can they. Build one, take it to Oslo and ask for your Nobel Prize to be coloured green, and the giant 60ft tall statute of you to be engraved with the plaque 'Greatest scientific contribution to humanity, like evah!"

espinolman

espinolman wrote: »

Here is a book on how to:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/

Have you tested any of these at all?
Has anyone?

Pride Fighter

Diogenes wrote: »

Free energy is an oxymoron. Energy will always transmute into another forum, or dissipate.

The worlds first fusion power plant will be finished in 2018 so we may be close to free energy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER

Pride Fighter

Pride Fighter wrote: »

The worlds first fusion power plant will be finished in 2018 so we may be close to free energy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER

Dude, fusion requires fuel thus is by definition not free energy.

Cheaper and cleaner definitely but not free.

Also not suppressed in the slightest just underfunded.

Pride Fighter

King Mob wrote: »

Dude, fusion requires fuel thus is by definition not free energy.

Cheaper and cleaner definitely but not free.

Also not suppressed in the slightest just underfunded.

It is almost free. The fuel source is found in water, the only expense is extracting deuterium and tritium from seawater.

Pride Fighter

Pride Fighter wrote: »

It is almost free. The fuel source is found in water, the only expense is extracting deuterium and tritium from seawater.

Which isn't free.

The free energy devices we're talking about are ones that are claimed to defy the law of thermodynamics.

Free as in requiring no fuel or input or produceing more than is put in.
Not free as in giving it away.

Pride Fighter

King Mob wrote: »

Which isn't free.

The free energy devices we're talking about are ones that are claimed to defy the law of thermodynamics.

Free as in requiring no fuel or input or produceing more than is put in.
Not free as in giving it away.

Oh like those bullshitters that claimed to invent a perpetual energy device. I LOLed when I saw them on the news.

Pride Fighter

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Oh like those bullshitters that claimed to invent a perpetual energy device. I LOLed when I saw them on the news.

Precisely.
Perpetual motion and free energy are pretty much the same thing. and are both impossible.

espinolman

espinolman wrote: »

No that is definitely not the thing to do , we are not living in a free world .

So how do you know that you wouldn't be allowed to build one of these machines?

Mahatma coat

the Joe Cell

this does work

http://pesn.com/2006/04/16/9600261_Joe_Cell_instructions/

this is a good source of info
http://panaceauniversity.org/

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

the Joe Cell

this does work

http://pesn.com/2006/04/16/9600261_Joe_Cell_instructions/

And you know it works because......?

Diogenes

Mahatma coat wrote: »

the Joe Cell

this does work

http://pesn.com/2006/04/16/9600261_Joe_Cell_instructions/

the idea is to form a polarity on each cylinder, so that they are positive on the outside and negative on the inside at the lowest point. Some cells that leak or lose charge can be remedied and be maintained by a 1.5-volt battery, which is not drained in the process. It just serves as a potential (polarity) reference. Adding to the apparent quirkiness of the technology, Stevens has noted that this booster charge seems to be dependent on lunar cycles, and is not necessary during some moon phases. However, the comeback is that this is not quirkiness, but further evidence for the Electric Cosmos concept, in which all planets, moons, comets and stars are recognized as interacting electrically.

Do you want me to list off the thngs that are wrong with this concept. Lets start by saying "Quirky" ain't a word that usually acceptable in science.

Scientist 1 "Hey in my lab water boils at 80c only'

Scientist 2 "Wow isn't that quirky"

Scientist 3 "yes the quirkiness is amazing".

:rolleyes:

Hang on

".....booster charge seems to be dependent on lunar cycles....."

"Others invoke the living energy called Orgone, discovered and named by Wilhelm Reich in the mid-twentieth century."

Are we to believe this device runs on magic?

Mahatma coat

either of you know anyone in brisbane that can come over on saturday and see one of these in action.

quirky or not I can tell you now that I have a mate who runs a 1974 Nissan Patrol Ute on one of these devices.

I've seen it in action

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

either of you know anyone in brisbane that can come over on saturday and see one of these in action.

quirky or not I can tell you now that I have a mate who runs a 1974 Nissan Patrol Ute on one of these devices.

I've seen it in action

And as we all know you are infallible.

So does it run on orgone or some other magic?
Or is it petrol with a subjective idea of it going longer before refueling?

Can you explain how it works and how it is effected by lunar cycles?

You know I've a friend in, lets say, France who runs his car on, lets say, hamsters in wheels. Why do you deny the potential of Hamster based power?

Diogenes

Mahatma coat wrote: »

either of you know anyone in brisbane that can come over on saturday and see one of these in action.

quirky or not I can tell you now that I have a mate who runs a 1974 Nissan Patrol Ute on one of these devices.

I've seen it in action

Are you saying that your mate's engine runs off a constant charge after a intial charge?

Can I ask, if you think this technology is being suppressed how exactly do you think you can openly discuss it on the interweb?

Mahatma coat

Whereabouts in France is this friend of yours with the magical Hamsterwheel car, so that I may get one of My friends in France to view it and independently verify that it does in fact run on Hamster Power

That's what I'm offering you here, the chance to have someone that you select meet me and my mate in Brisbane or the surrounding area on Saturday afternoon and inspect a WORKING JOE CELL

they can even bring a Camcorder and we can post it on youtube later that evening for the rest of the Forum to see.

I don't claim an infallible knowledge of these things

All I'm saying is I've seen it work, powering the engine without any other fuel source

Surely one of ye knows someone in SEQ that's not a member of Boards and therefore can be accepted by all parties as an Independent Eye Witness

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Whereabouts in France is this friend of yours with the magical Hamsterwheel car, so that I may get one of My friends in France to view it and independently verify that it does in fact run on Hamster Power

You mean your advocating independent verification of a claim as a basis for knowledge? :eek:

Mahatma coat wrote: »

That's what I'm offering you here, the chance to have someone that you select meet me and my mate in Brisbane or the surrounding area on Saturday afternoon and inspect a WORKING JOE CELL

they can even bring a Camcorder and we can post it on youtube later that evening for the rest of the Forum to see.

Why not just go to the local media? Or film it your self.
Or, much easier, show any independent source on the internet that actually scientifically tested a comparable device?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I don't claim an infallible knowledge of these things

All I'm saying is I've seen it work, powering the engine without any other fuel source

So how does it work? does it completely power a petrol car through electricity? If so, how? Is ANY fuel involved at any stage of the operation?
Does it run on orgone or chi or universal energy or any such magic?

Diogenes

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Whereabouts in France is this friend of yours with the magical Hamsterwheel car, so that I may get one of My friends in France to view it and independently verify that it does in fact run on Hamster Power

That's what I'm offering you here, the chance to have someone that you select meet me and my mate in Brisbane or the surrounding area on Saturday afternoon and inspect a WORKING JOE CELL

they can even bring a Camcorder and we can post it on youtube later that evening for the rest of the Forum to see.

I don't claim an infallible knowledge of these things

All I'm saying is I've seen it work, powering the engine without any other fuel source

Surely one of ye knows someone in SEQ that's not a member of Boards and therefore can be accepted by all parties as an Independent Eye Witness

So you can defy the laws of physics but can't offer evidence to support this claim.

If Wilbur and Orville Wright had your level foresight what would have happened at Kitty Hawk?

Seriously Mahatma you're trying to suggest your mate is curing the greatest issue humanity faces, and demanding we prove you right.

If your mate is running a free energy car, well he's just changed the course of human civilisation, I suspect, demanding a bunch of posters come to you is the least you can do

Ok after digging through a lot of bull**** I think I figured how this thing is supposed to work.

MC, how is this joe cell thing actually hooked up to the engine?
Is the car battery fully charged when it's started?
Does the car battery ever run out? If so how often?
Is there any petrol at all used in the engine even during start up?

Mahatma coat

King Mob wrote: »

Ok after digging through a lot of bull**** I think I figured how this thing is supposed to work.

MC, how is this joe cell thing actually hooked up to the engine?
Pipe straight to the Carby

Is the car battery fully charged when it's started?
naturally, how else would it turn the starter motor

Does the car battery ever run out? If so how often?
no, even in the seventies cars had alternators to charge the batteries

Is there any petrol at all used in the engine even during start up?

this is interesting, it can run the engine all by itself or it can be used like an LPG kit, suppose it depends on the lunar cycle that is to say with a Straight six and the cell that he has if OOOMPH is required on the HWY then some petrol is used but for standard cruisin none is, this can be solved with a bigger cell, so if the cell is matched to the engine then no other fuel source would be required


any clearer?

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

any clearer?

Not really as this thing apparently runs on magic.

How exactly is it connected to the carburetor by an electric wire or by a pipe or tube?

So how does the engine run when there is nothing combusting in the cylinders?
Magic I'm guessing.

Is this joe cell connected to the battery?

Does the cell produce a gas at all?

Mahatma coat

Diogenes wrote: »

So you can defy the laws of physics but can't offer evidence to support this claim.

I can offer you shedloads of evidence, most of which you would choose to dismiss.

If Wilbur and Orville Wright had your level foresight what would have happened at Kitty Hawk?

their plane would still have flown, whats your point?

Seriously Mahatma you're trying to suggest your mate is curing the greatest issue humanity faces, and demanding we prove you right.

I'm offerin you a chance to be proven wrong, I know I'm right, you wont believe ME, find someone who you will believe, or better still make your way to Australia and have a look at the device yerself, no amount of evidence that I provide will be sufficent for you so come and see for yourself

If your mate is running a free energy car, well he's just changed the course of human civilisation, I suspect, demanding a bunch of posters come to you is the least you can do

did you miss the part earlier about people publicising these things dying off mysteriously, and my mate didnt invent anything we just took a set of plans freely available on the internet and made the thing, lo and behold it works.
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whats that quote about the universe not needing to be in sync with your desires

oleras

King Mob wrote: »

Ok after digging through a lot of bull**** I think I figured how this thing is supposed to work.

MC, how is this joe cell thing actually hooked up to the engine?
Is the car battery fully charged when it's started?
Does the car battery ever run out? If so how often?
Is there any petrol at all used in the engine even during start up?

One would have to "start" a perpetual motion machine, if it existed.

Mahatma coat

King Mob wrote: »

Not really as this thing apparently runs on magic.

not magic, Gas

How exactly is it connected to the carburetor by an electric wire or by a pipe or tube?

me wrote:

Pipe straight to the carby

So how does the engine run when there is nothing combusting in the cylinders?
Magic I'm guessing.

not Magic, Gas.

Is this joe cell connected to the battery?

yes

Does the cell produce a gas at all?

when a gas meter is put to the exhaust the only emission is a low amount of hydrogen

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I can offer you shedloads of evidence, most of which you would choose to dismiss.

Dude, no you haven't. All you said is that you see one work. And offered on explaintion to how it actually works just an insistence that it does.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I'm offerin you a chance to be proven wrong, I know I'm right, you wont believe ME, find someone who you will believe, or better still make your way to Australia and have a look at the device yerself, no amount of evidence that I provide will be sufficent for you so come and see for yourself

If it's so easy to test why not provide a link to a independent scientific test of the device? Surely they must exist is this thing actually works.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

did you miss the part earlier about people publicising these things dying off mysteriously,

Is that the part you're yet to show any basis for? I think it is.

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

How exactly is it connected to the carburetor by an electric wire or by a pipe or tube?

not Magic, Gas.

yes

when a gas meter is put to the exhaust the only emission is a low amount of hydrogen

So it's not a free energy device at all.
It runs on hydrogen electrolyzed from the water?

How long does the battery last exactly?
Whats the top speed and acceleration of the car?

Mahatma coat

King Mob wrote: »

So it's not a free energy device at all.

course its not a 'Free energy' device, Energy cannot be created or destroyed it can only be converted from one form to another, this is just a very very cheap & efficient way of powering a vehicle using nothing more than tap water

It runs on hydrogen electrolyzed from the water?

thats my understanding of the technology

How long does the battery last exactly?

same as in a normal petrol car

Whats the top speed and acceleration of the car?

depends on the Cell and the engine and how you set the timing




anyway I was talkin to him again and we've decided to build another one and see about fittin it to my Merc, I'll get the parts tomorrow/wednesday and start a build diary here

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

course its not a 'Free energy' device, Energy cannot be created or destroyed it can only be converted from one form to another, this is just a very very cheap & efficient way of powering a vehicle using nothing more than tap water

So then why did you claim it ran with out fuel?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

All I'm saying is I've seen it work, powering the engine without any other fuel source

It does use fuel: hydrogen. It doesn't produce ever lasting power either.

And it's not particularly efficient either alot of energy goes into electrolyzing the water.

Nor is it suppressed there are several designs for hydrogen combustion engines on the market.

And how come it took three pages for you to say it combusts hydrogen?

Mahatma coat

I said I've seen it work without "any Other" fuel source

Because I figured you had understood that bit after reading the initial link

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I said I've seen it work without "any Other" fuel source

Because I figured you had understood that bit after reading the initial link

Nope I was somewhat dazzled by the talk of orgone being responsible for the power. We were arguing under the impression that you thought this was a free energy device.

Had you said "It runs on hydrogen electrolyzed from the water in the cell" when I asked you directly "how does it work?" I would have been a bit more credulous.

And when both I and Diogenes said that this device defied the laws of physics you did not correct us by saying "It runs on hydrogen."

So why exactly did you post a link filled with BS like orgone and lunar cycles?
And any sign of a basis for your claim about the inventors of these things?

Mahatma coat

its more than just the hydrogen electrolysed from the water, if you do the nombers on the amount of hydrogen used propelling the vehicle and the theoretical amount of hydrogen that can be produced form the water used they dont add up, so something else is involved, call it orgone if you wish, I deont understand it, but I know it works.

so its not just hydrogen electrolysed from the water, its also orgone, and I dont think it defys the laws of physics it just presents a reality that physics cannot fully explain YET

the link is one of only a few remaining on the web from when I researched this first time round on this forum, most of the otheres are deadlinks or have been replaced with something completley different than was there before, no more plans, and detailed explanations of how it works, suspiciously they have disapeared, much like the people who publicise this technology.

I will still make one tho, and keep an update here


just in case any of the Lizzzards are readin tho, Diogenes can I borrow your account