Free energy suppression

6th · 02-03-2009 12:08PM

Its pretty much been highlighted here and addited to that what MC has described is not "free energy". My question would be, what are people definitions of free energy? That will help us discuss the topic in a much more constructive manner.

A7X · 02-03-2009 12:10PM

Diogenes wrote: »

Do you want me to list off the thngs that are wrong with this concept. Lets start by saying "Quirky" ain't a word that usually acceptable in science.

Scientist 1 "Hey in my lab water boils at 80c only'

Scientist 2 "Wow isn't that quirky"

Scientist 3 "yes the quirkiness is amazing".

:rolleyes:

I think you should list the rest.

6th · 02-03-2009 12:12PM

espinolman wrote: »

Just because it is not understood how it works does not mean energy is being created from nothing , i see all through this thread you are trying to make it look like free energy is creating energy from nothing , no free energy is energy you don't have to pay for , some of the free energy devices i i think might be collecting energy that we might not have instruments to detect.

Again we need to define the term "free energy".

02-03-2009 12:16PM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

what else is it? functioning, how about that.

Hydrogen being burnt in an internal combustion engine? No need for undetectable forces to explain it.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I said it worked, I never claimed to have a deep insight into how it works, I've offered independently verifiable proof that it works

Actually you haven't.
You simply claimed it worked then invited us to see your friend's in action.
The link you provided claimed that the device worked by a mystical undetectable force. You claimed the math showed something else was at work other than burning hydrogen but supply no such evidence. Also you claim that people who invent such devices go missing but have yet to supply a single case.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

you have sneered with acusations of magic and fairy dust

Magic and fairy dust are as plausible as a Joe cell producing free energy.

Diogenes · 02-03-2009 12:21PM

6th wrote: »

Again we need to define the term "free energy".

With respect his link in the first page suggested devices that defy the laws of physics.

As to Mahatma. Your original claim is wildly different from what you are now stating.

You say that the car has the same "miles to gallon" as any other car, with respect many car's MPG are wildly different. Furthermore have you worked out the cost of the specialised water? The Hydrogen?

Your "Free" energy looks to be more and more expensive.

Mahatma coat · 02-03-2009 12:21PM

I'd define free energy as anything device that after an initial low setup cost can provide functioning energy for a designated purpose with little to no additional input from the end user besides basic maintenenace, things like Wind, hydro, solar - both solar reflector ovens and cells, tesla wave energy machines, them fusion reactors I've heard of and of course the Joe cell

02-03-2009 12:24PM

espinolman wrote: »

Just because it is not understood how it works does not mean energy is being created from nothing ,
i see all through this thread you are trying to make it look like free energy is creating energy from nothing , no free energy is energy you don't have to pay for , some of the free energy devices i i think might be collecting energy that we might not have instruments to detect.

King Mob wrote: »

The free energy devices we're talking about are ones that are claimed to defy the law of thermodynamics.

Free as in requiring no fuel or input or produceing more than is put in.
Not free as in giving it away.

This is the definition I've been working off.
A free energy device is said to produce energy from nothing or use fuel at efficiencies greater than 100%.
That is what I'm saying is impossible.

Giving energy away is very much possible, just bad business.

02-03-2009 12:26PM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I'd define free energy as anything device that after an initial low setup cost can provide functioning energy for a designated purpose with little to no additional input from the end user besides basic maintenenace, things like Wind, hydro, solar - both solar reflector ovens and cells, tesla wave energy machines, them fusion reactors I've heard of and of course the Joe cell

Dude, fusion reactors and joe cells both require fuel.

Also I'd define magic some thing like this: is a conceptual system that asserts human ability to control or predict the natural world (including events, objects, people, and physical phenomena) through mystical, paranormal or supernatural means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_(paranormal)

espinolman · 02-03-2009 12:26PM

King Mob wrote: »

This is the definition I've been working off.
A free energy device is said to produce energy from nothing or use fuel at efficiencies greater than 100%.
That is what I'm saying is impossible.

Giving energy away is very much possible, just bad business.

Just because it can't be measured does'nt mean its from nothing , is what that means is you don't have the technology to measure it.

espinolman · 02-03-2009 12:28PM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I'd define free energy as anything device that after an initial low setup cost can provide functioning energy for a designated purpose with little to no additional input from the end user besides basic maintenenace, things like Wind, hydro, solar - both solar reflector ovens and cells, tesla wave energy machines, them fusion reactors I've heard of and of course the Joe cell

Yes i would agree with that definition.

6th · 02-03-2009 12:29PM

King Mob wrote: »

Giving energy away is very much possible, just bad business.

Thats what I thought, if ESB decided to just give people free electricity would that make it free energy? Not in my understanding of it.

Mahatma coat · 02-03-2009 12:29PM

Diogenes wrote:

You say that the car has the same "miles to gallon" as any other car, with respect many car's MPG are wildly different. Furthermore have you worked out the cost of the specialised water? The Hydrogen?

where did I say that?

I think you're just makin stuff up again

02-03-2009 12:33PM

espinolman wrote: »

Just because it can't be measured does'nt mean its from nothing , is what that means is you don't have the technology to measure it.

Ok first off you need a working free energy device that actually does what is claimed it does.
Second you to show that it is producing more energy than can be explained by know means.
Then you'll have to show how the machine is receiving the extra energy for the previously unknown source.

So step one: working free energy device, have you an example?

02-03-2009 12:35PM

6th wrote: »

Thats what I thought, if ESB decided to just give people free electricity would that make it free energy? Not in my understanding of it.

Yes but they're not violating the laws of thermodynamics by producing more energy than they put in.

Diogenes · 02-03-2009 12:36PM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

where did I say that?

I think you're just makin stuff up again

Once again I am left to ask "Are you being intentionally obtuse?"

King Mob wrote:

How long does the battery last exactly?

You wrote:

same as in a normal petrol car

With respect it's quite clear King Mob is asking you how long the charge is on this fuel source, you've just dodged the question, twice now.

Oh and aside from your 'hil-arious" suggestion that you should borrow my account, by blabbing about this on the interweb aren't you putting your mate's life in danger? With friends like these, etc, etc

espinolman · 02-03-2009 12:36PM

King Mob wrote: »

Ok first off you need a working free energy device that actually does what is claimed it does.
Second you to show that it is producing more energy than can be explained by know means.
Then you'll have to show how the machine is receiving the extra energy for the previously unknown source.

So step one: working free energy device, have you an example?

I haven't built one yet , but how about the John Bedini battery charger.

02-03-2009 12:38PM

espinolman wrote: »

I haven't built one yet , but how about the John Bedini battery charger.

Ok then can you supply evidence that this is producing energy through unknown means?

Mahatma coat · 02-03-2009 12:46PM

and exactly how does that relate to MPG, as far as I was aware the G stood for Galons as a rate of Petrol being used

how does the rate of petrol being used affect the battery life cycle even in a normal petrol car?

irony wrote:

Once again I am left to ask "Are you being intentionally obtuse?"

02-03-2009 12:51PM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

and exactly how does that relate to MPG, as far as I was aware the G stood for Galons as a rate of Petrol being used

how does the rate of petrol being used affect the battery life cycle even in a normal petrol car?

So wait? The magic car is using petrol now? ****! that makes my car magic!

Anyone want to buy a magic car?

6th · 02-03-2009 12:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So wait? The magic car is using petrol now? ****! that makes my car magic!

Anyone want to buy a magic car?

Has you actually read MC's posts?

6th · 02-03-2009 12:56PM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

this is interesting, it can run the engine all by itself or it can be used like an LPG kit, suppose it depends on the lunar cycle that is to say with a Straight six and the cell that he has if OOOMPH is required on the HWY then some petrol is used but for standard cruisin none is, this can be solved with a bigger cell, so if the cell is matched to the engine then no other fuel source would be required

Mentioned above.

indough · 02-03-2009 01:02PM

free energy is energy which can be produced at very cost other than initial set up costs and labour expenses, therefore it is in the energy industries interest to develop free energy as at (almost) zero cost it would be (almost) 100% profitable

02-03-2009 01:11PM

6th wrote: »

Has you actually read MC's posts?

Yes, the bit where he claimed his mates car was powered by strange intergalactic planetary forces, but it seems instead to be powered by a battery and petrol.

Of course, he fails to offer any proof or evidence that this battery generates 'free energy' (in the terms of producing more energy then is input) but what the hell, its nice to see a thread that doesn't lead to a Jewish or Reptillian (or even a Jewish Reptillian) conspiracy as an answer.

02-03-2009 01:14PM

Of course, this could be because such proof would mean that black helicopters will come out of cat5 cables and attack and vanish MC and his mate.

But I think there is another answer which is a little less far fetched.

02-03-2009 01:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

but what the hell, its nice to see a thread that doesn't lead to a Jewish or Reptillian (or even a Jewish Reptillian) conspiracy as an answer.

I thought it went without saying that the jewish reptillians are covering up these technologies.:pac:

Diogenes · 02-03-2009 01:17PM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

and exactly how does that relate to MPG, as far as I was aware the G stood for Galons as a rate of Petrol being used

how does the rate of petrol being used affect the battery life cycle even in a normal petrol car?

Again you are just being intentionally difficult, alternative fuel sources also use MPG as a to comparable to a ordinary petrol/diesel engine.

So to put this in the most basic and elemental terms.

How. Many. Miles. Does. The. Joe. Battery. Get. Before. It. Needs. To. Be. RE- Charged.

02-03-2009 01:18PM

Diogenes wrote: »

Again you are just being intentionally difficult, alternative fuel sources also use MPG as a to comparable to a ordinary petrol/diesel engine.

So to put this in the most basic and elemental terms.

How. Many. Miles. Does. The. Joe. Battery. Get. Before. It. Needs. To. Be. RE- Charged.

MC already mentioned how this depends on the lunar cycle.

Flamed Diving · 02-03-2009 01:31PM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

From what I know about it this Free energy is Cosmic Backround radiation, just being harnessed like we do with solar and wind, the energy is not being created out of nothing as that would go against peoples beloved laws of thermodynamics, its just bein harnesses.

I believe Tesla had a working model in the 20's and there have been a few more variants on the design, all suppressed, over the years, like the engines that can 1000 miles on a cup of tapwater, where the designer goes public he and his vehicle have a nasty 'accident' shortly afterwards.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

02-03-2009 01:37PM

I suppose, on the plus side, if this does work out it will really open new opportunities for those with qualifications in astrophysics. I had better tell my mate that he should buy a socket set.

Diogenes · 02-03-2009 01:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

MC already mentioned how this depends on the lunar cycle.

Leaving aside how bat **** crazy that is. What 50 Miles to a battery at a full moon? 30? What?

MC wrote:

against peoples beloved laws of thermodynamics,

Hey, hey don't knock it, once I get beyond the beloved laws of gravity we all get hover boots.

Free energy suppression

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