7 MILLION Stolen!!!!!

ejmaztec · 27-02-2009 04:04PM

Seems that nobody criticises the crooks for getting huge "salaries" from their banking "business" activities during a recession.

mickoneill30 · 27-02-2009 04:06PM

wilson10 wrote: »

If the money is insured then insurance companies should stipulate certain security precautions that must be taken which obviously were not in this case.

Obviously??? Do the insurance companies require perfect security measures? Does anybody here know what the security measures were?

Guy:Incognito · 27-02-2009 04:07PM

pipsqueak wrote: »

Unreal, Anyone else think BOI are a disgrace?????:eek:

Yes. Who do they think they are getting robbed. The bastards.

I assuem all similar robberies are the fault of the companies?

Kazu wrote: »

whats stopping any bank of Ireland employee taking money and then taking the next plane out off the country

Whats stopping any employee of any company that has access to lareg sums of money?

pipsqueak · 27-02-2009 04:07PM

mickoneill30 wrote: »

Obviously? Do the insurance companies require perfect security measures? Does anybody here know what the security measures were?

Obviously this gang knew the "security" measures.

Whole thing reeks of an inside job

pipsqueak · 27-02-2009 04:09PM

Stekelly wrote: »

Yes. Who do they think they are getting robbed. The bastards.

Oh so your world its ok for a bank to have lax security measures? :rolleyes:

Guy:Incognito · 27-02-2009 04:12PM

carlowguy32 wrote: »

why would the employee get them that amount, why couldnt he just get about €20,000 and say thats all he could get, do the raiders actually know what he can get, i wouldnt know what to do in his position and feel sorry for him and his family to be put through that but to hand over 7million is crazy, hope they catch the scum, they will probably retire off this as its fairly big and might never be caught

I'd imagine they had an idea what he could get at. I doubt they just followed a random bank employee home and targeted him.

pipsqueak wrote: »

Oh so your world its ok for a bank to have lax security measures? :rolleyes:

Lax security measures? He works works for the bank and has keys/security codes etc .

Dragan · 27-02-2009 04:16PM

7 million would weigh **** all.

mickoneill30 · 27-02-2009 04:16PM

pipsqueak wrote: »

Oh so your world its ok for a bank to have lax security measures? :rolleyes:

If you know they're lax you know what they were. What were they?

pipsqueak · 27-02-2009 04:16PM

Stekelly wrote: »

I'd imagine they had an idea what he could get at. I doubt they just followed a random bank employee home and targeted him.

Lax security measures? He works works for the bank and has keys/security codes etc .

The point is ONE person should not have access to a bank at 2am in the morning, ONE person should not have all the security codes and keys.

If ONE person can bypass all these systems then i think the Boi security is lax

Dragan · 27-02-2009 04:19PM

pipsqueak wrote: »

Obviously this gang knew the "security" measures.

Whole thing reeks of an inside job

Bollix. The easiest way to do a bank is to get someone on the inside to help you. The easiest way to do that is to beat his partner in front of him and then drive her and his kid off in a car.

What would you do, get all John McClane on it or shut your ****ing yapper and get the guys the money?

Internet jackasses crack me up.

Loomis · 27-02-2009 04:19PM

mountain wrote: »

http://www.oenb.at/en/rund_ums_geld/euro/banknoten/500euro/500_euro_banknote.jsp

a 500 euro note weighs 1.1gm, 14,000 notes in 7 million, so it weighs 15.4 kilograms...

doesnt seem very heavy,
are my maths correct?

Assumptions are the mother of all ****ups...

pipsqueak · 27-02-2009 04:20PM

Dragan wrote: »

Bollix. The easiest way to do a bank is to get someone on the inside to help you. The easiest way to do that is to beat his partner in front of him and then drive her and his kid off in a car.

What would you do, get all John McClane on it or shut your ****ing yapper and get the guys the money?

Internet jackasses crack me up.

yea me too!:rolleyes:

Guy:Incognito · 27-02-2009 04:28PM

So I take it any company/person/legal entity that loses money in any way are a disgrace for not preventing it?
Or is this a specific anti-BOI run we're on?

pipsqueak · 27-02-2009 04:33PM

Stekelly wrote: »

So I take it any company/person/legal entity that loses money in any way are a disgrace for not preventing it?
Or is this a specific anti-BOI run we're on?

This discussion is about The Bank Of Ireland. One of the two main financial institutions in Ireland. They hold Hundreds of millions in cash in their vaults regulary. we are not discussing the cash box in a 2 euro shop!!

Dragan · 27-02-2009 04:33PM

pipsqueak wrote: »

yea me too!:rolleyes:

You must get a daily laugh then.

Managers of banks will have keys, alarm codes etc. Thats about all the gang needs to know. The success lies in placing all the work in the hands of the victim, in this case the poor bastard who watched his bird take a beating and then get driven away with his kid.

The vast majority of branches will NOT have night security for the same reason they don't have day security. It's not a requirement, not a deterant to an ARMED gang and would do no good to anyone other than taking the wrong action and possibly getting someone killed.

There lock down and alarms are more than enough to stop most people in their tracks should then try a B+E on a bank after hours.

To do this kind of job, all you need to do is watch a few of the staff and thats about it.

pipsqueak · 27-02-2009 04:38PM

Dragan wrote: »

You must get a daily laugh then.

Managers of banks will have keys, alarm codes etc. Thats about all the gang needs to know. The success lies in placing all the work in the hands of the victim, in this case the poor bastard who watched his bird take a beating and then get driven away with his kid.

The vast majority of branches will NOT have night security for the same reason they don't have day security. It's not a requirement, not a deterant to an ARMED gang and would do no good to anyone other than taking the wrong action and possibly getting someone killed.

There lock down and alarms are more than enough to stop most people in their tracks should then try a B+E on a bank after hours.

To do this kind of job, all you need to do is watch a few of the staff and thats about it.

Dragan Can you please answer my earlier point about one person having access to the bank cash vaults at 2am in the morning? Im asking do you believe their security measures were adequate/bearing in mind the spate of tiger kidnappings lately?

Guy:Incognito · 27-02-2009 04:40PM

pipsqueak wrote: »

This discussion is about The Bank Of Ireland. One of the two main financial institutions in Ireland. They hold Hundreds of millions in cash in their vaults regulary. we are not discussing the cash box in a 2 euro shop!!

Ok so, lets talk about similar kidnappings. I dont remember them involving €2 shops.

pipsqueak · 27-02-2009 04:41PM

Stekelly wrote: »

Ok so, lets talk about similar kidnappings. I dont remember them involving €2 shops.

How about talking about the bank of Ireland that was fleeced last night??

Guy:Incognito · 27-02-2009 04:47PM

pipsqueak wrote: »

Dragan Can you please answer my earlier point about one person having access to the bank cash vaults at 2am in the morning? Im asking do you believe their security measures were adequate/bearing in mind the spate of tiger kidnappings lately?

How come you arent callign the security company a disgrace for not thinkign it strange that the alarms are beign switched off at 2am?

Guy:Incognito · 27-02-2009 04:47PM

pipsqueak wrote: »

How about talking about the bank of Ireland that was fleeced last night??

Fair enough. Wouldnt want to ruin your rant with logic and compassion.

pipsqueak · 27-02-2009 04:49PM

Stekelly wrote: »

How come you arent callign the security company a disgrace for not thinkign it strange that the alarms are beign switched off at 2am?

I am, Bank of Ireland have employed the alarm monitoring company, so ultimately its BoI that are responsible for the overall security of their assests.
Do you think that their systems were adequate??

Dragan · 27-02-2009 04:51PM

pipsqueak wrote: »

Dragan Can you please answer my earlier point about one person having access to the bank cash vaults at 2am in the morning? Im asking do you believe their security measures were adequate/bearing in mind the spate of tiger kidnappings lately?

Well, if you want my opinion as someone who spent the guts of a decade working across every aspect of the security industry , yes.

Chances are that several people have access to the cash vaults. Why?

Because if an alarm sounds the relevant member of management will need to go in and check the whole building, from foyer to vaults to make sure nothing is amiss. You cannot lock down a building completely for closing hours, it will be absolutely impossible to get any insurance on that said building for the reasons that emergency services will have no way to access it to limit any possible damage from fire/flooding etc.

There is no real way to work around the "tiger" kidnappings. Management need to have access to branches at all hours for a multitude of reasons, including late night cash drops and pick ups. Don't assume that a banks business is done when the front doors close.

Guy:Incognito · 27-02-2009 04:52PM

pipsqueak wrote: »

I am, Bank of Ireland have employed the alarm monitoring company, so ultimately its BoI that are responsible for the overall security of their assests.
Do you think that their systems were adequate??

Surely BOI are happy with the security till something happens. If you employ a company to do a job, you have to assuem they are doing it until you find out somethign is wrong.

ToxicPaddy · 27-02-2009 04:53PM

The job could have been done by anyone with some knowledge of how the bank system works. Could have been a cash in transit employee, bank employee, former employee of any of those companies.. anyone really.. they know the system and then sit and watch the employees..

The fact remains, €7 million is a hell of a payday for any gang, recession or no recession.. so they are off to somewhere tropical and gonna enjoy it..

Tiger kidnappings/robberies are becoming more and more common simply because, the one guaranteed weak link in any security system is the people who hold the keys and the codes, usually low level bank employees.

The fault lies with a few people/groups, not just one person/institution.

Banks insure their money so they dont care what happens, a bank robbery or two for a few million over a year in the scheme of things is small change compared to what would go through their various branches and systems on a daily basis.

Tox

pipsqueak · 27-02-2009 04:59PM

Dragan wrote: »

Well, if you want my opinion as someone who spent the guts of a decade working across every aspect of the security industry , yes.

Chances are that several people have access to the cash vaults. Why?

Because if an alarm sounds the relevant member of management will need to go in and check the whole building, from foyer to vaults to make sure nothing is amiss. You cannot lock down a building completely for closing hours, it will be absolutely impossible to get any insurance on that said building for the reasons that emergency services will have no way to access it to limit any possible damage from fire/flooding etc.

There is no real way to work around the "tiger" kidnappings. Management need to have access to branches at all hours for a multitude of reasons, including late night cash drops and pick ups. Don't assume that a banks business is done when the front doors close.

well if you think that having 7 million stolen from the 2nd biggest bank in the country is having adequate security measures well i respecfully suggest you reconsider your chosen career path.

Donald-Duck · 27-02-2009 05:00PM

pipsqueak wrote: »

well if you think that having 7 million stolen from the 2nd biggest bank in the country is having adequate security measures well i respecfully suggest you reconsider your chosen career path.

I think America needs a new defence system, I mean a plane crashed into the pentagon.

The point being, **** happens and can't always be prevented.

Dragan · 27-02-2009 05:04PM

pipsqueak wrote: »

well if you think that having 7 million stolen from the 2nd biggest bank in the country is having adequate security measures well i respecfully suggest you reconsider your chosen career path.

No system is fool proof. It's just not possible. There will ALWAYS be someone, somewhere, willing to do what it takes to get past the system.

You seem to feel that you have an informed opinion on this. Considering things like staff and public safety, insurance requirements, dead drops in the middle of the night and possible 24 hour pick ups from site....what would you do differently?

I am genuinely curious but frankly, i need a good giggle.

PirateShampoo · 27-02-2009 05:05PM

Well i feel sorry the guy and his family and that the gang are scum.

But its mind bogling that a lone employee can walk into a bank at 2 in the morning, fill up a few bags with 7 million euro and just walk back out and put it all into his Celica.

Me thinks theres more to the story than what the Garda have released to the public.

Im guessing a sting gone wrong.

Dave! · 27-02-2009 05:07PM

pipsqueak wrote: »

well if you think that having 7 million stolen from the 2nd biggest bank in the country is having adequate security measures well i respecfully suggest you reconsider your chosen career path.

You're a legend

pipsqueak · 27-02-2009 05:07PM

Dragan wrote: »

No system is fool proof. It's just not possible. There will ALWAYS be someone, somewhere, willing to do what it takes to get past the system.

You seem to feel that you have an informed opinion on this. Considering things like staff and public safety, insurance requirements, dead drops in the middle of the night and possible 24 hour pick ups from site....what would you do differently?

I am genuinely curious but frankly, i need a good giggle.

Im not here to amuse you or give you a "good giggle"

7 MILLION Stolen!!!!!

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