Big ole Ryanair Crank Fest super merge

PeakOutput · 26-02-2009 09:03PM

time to boycott??? eeehhh no not even close

that blog and the responces are non issues

Carlotta · 26-02-2009 09:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well not age then but do you earn your own money for flights?

The cheek! No daddy pays.

I'm 25 and I work. Are you implying that I can afford to have ethics/standards if some-one else is paying? I believe in shopping around, market forces etc I don't spent money foolishly, I look for value for my buck and a bargain (despite that Penny's comment!).
I have flown Ryanair, but I just can't take any more of Michael O'Leary's attitude which has obviously filtered down through his company.

NickNolte · 26-02-2009 09:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

so if ya do the journey today, 55 for flight and say 45 for extra part of trip? (spot rate these days)

if you do it with aer lingus, 120 for flight and how much for the extra part of trip?

i havn't flown to london since i was very young so i'm interested enough in prices..

Well considering that we've got more or less parity with sterling, you'd save more with Ryanair these days. But let's say your overall costs go from €75 compared to, say, €120. You're paying an extra €45 to fly with Aer Lingus. Not insubstantial but a lot of people don't mind that considering:

Service is better with Aer Lingus (although they're getting worse as they try to compete with Ryanair)
The planes are cleaner and more comfortable
You have an allocated seat on the flight
You usually get to fly to a more central airport
etc

Ryanair are, at the end of the day, cheaper. I just don't think that they're as comparitively cheap as everyone is making out. And this "if Ryanair was gone tomorrow we'd all be paying €900 to fly to London" is utter nonsense.

26-02-2009 09:09PM

NickNolte wrote: »

And this "if Ryanair was gone tomorrow we'd all be paying €900 to fly to London" is utter nonsense.

as long as ya remember the only reason aer lingus is down to that price is a direct result of ryanair taking all it's business..

anyways, i understand what your saying.. i just think OP's idea of boycotting a company and costing so many job losses as a result is a little bit OTT for the internet blogger story.

26-02-2009 09:12PM

Carlotta wrote: »

The cheek! No daddy pays.

I'm 25 and I work. Are you implying that I can afford to have ethics/standards if some-one else is paying? I believe in shopping around, market forces etc I don't spent money foolishly, I look for value for my buck and a bargain (despite that Penny's comment!).
I have flown Ryanair, but I just can't take any more of Michael O'Leary's attitude which has obviously filtered down through his company.

Well that's what i was implying if you didn't pay for your own flights..

Would you now agree that a boycott of such large employer over such issues would be foolish? Like realistically, Ryanair could fail like so many other airlines if a boycott took place.

Gummy Panda · 26-02-2009 09:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

anyways, i understand what your saying.. i just think OP's idea of boycotting a company and costing so many job losses as a result is a little bit OTT for the internet blogger story.

Good point!

I'd still like to see O'Leary get a punch on TV just to remind him he isn't untouchable.

NickNolte · 26-02-2009 09:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

as long as ya remember the only reason aer lingus is down to that price is a direct result of ryanair taking all it's business..

Yes, but Aer Lingus' fares pre-Ryanair are greatly exaggerated!

Deleted User wrote: »

i just think OP's idea of boycotting a company and costing so many job losses as a result is a little bit OTT for the internet blogger story.

I agree to an extent. Hell hath no fury like a blogger scorned, particularly when he's got moral support from other influential bloggers and they decide to go on a vendetta. To be honest, this is a storm in a fvcking teacup and has gotten way out of hand. The guy pointed out a trivial problem with session management on the Ryanair website and a few of their IT geeks started being rude and 'offensive'. Now it's turned into a witchhunt.

If you're going to boycott Ryanair, do it because of the way they treat their staff.

26-02-2009 09:15PM

ah O'Leary is my hero.. he lets me get to germany and back for 55euro.

we may not like how he does it but every one of us like that he does it.

Carlotta · 26-02-2009 09:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well that's what i was implying if you didn't pay for your own flights..

Would you now agree that a boycott of such large employer over such issues would be foolish? Like realistically, Ryanair could fail like so many other airlines if a boycott took place.

Oh lordy, I really shouldn't have used that B word!!!

What i meant is this - is there anyone else like me who, despite Ryaniars low-low prices, has decided not to fly with them due to other unsavoury practices (ones that may or may not have affected the boards.ie members individually)?

I wasn't actually advocating an organized boycott of the company.

Carlotta · 26-02-2009 09:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

ah O'Leary is my hero.. he lets me get to germany and back for 55euro.

we may not like how he does it but some of us like that he does it.

Fixed that

26-02-2009 09:18PM

NickNolte wrote: »

If you're going to boycott Ryanair, do it because of the way they treat their staff.

it is incredibly bad.. we sat on a plane for 3 hours the day the airport got grounded.. plane didn't move once!

anyways, one of the lads was chattin to an air hostess for a while nd she said they only get paid for "flying" time.. they were on the plane for 3 hours with the rest of us and didn't get a dime :eek:

have to say, while it's mad, i didn't really care. i'll still take my cheap flights.

AckwelFoley · 26-02-2009 09:20PM

The Scientist wrote: »

They've lost my luggage once, rescheduled my flight twice without telling me, have had flights delayed innumerable times, treated like a moron by a crew member and charged my cc wrong on one occasion.

Until any other airline has flight prices anywhere near Ryanair, i will continue flying with them loyally.

Roll on RyanAtlantic i say...

best reply yet!

NickNolte · 26-02-2009 09:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

ah O'Leary is my hero.. he lets me get to germany and back for 55euro.

we may not like how he does it but every one of us like that he does it.

You're entitled to have no problems with 'no frills' flying but some of the main reasons that O'Leary can offer you cheap flights is also because he treats his staff like crap and his airline is teetering on the very edge of what's considered best safety and security practices. I'm glad he's your hero though. I can only assume though that you don't *really* understand how he runs his company.

Who knows, with this impending depression we could all be working in 18th century English steel mills.

NickNolte · 26-02-2009 09:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

it is incredibly bad.. we sat on a plane for 3 hours the day the airport got grounded.. plane didn't move once!

anyways, one of the lads was chattin to an air hostess for a while nd she said they only get paid for "flying" time.. they were on the plane for 3 hours with the rest of us and didn't get a dime :eek:

have to say, while it's mad, i didn't really care. i'll still take my cheap flights.

Wow. Just wow. I don't know what your lack of empathy says about you. Well I do but I'll bite my tongue. Obviously you've never been exploited in the workplace before. You're lucky.

26-02-2009 09:23PM

NickNolte wrote: »

You're entitled to have no problems with 'no frills' flying but some of the main reasons that O'Leary can offer you cheap flights is also because he treats his staff like crap and his airline is teetering on the very edge of what's considered best safety and security practices. I'm glad he's your hero though. I can only assume though that you don't *really* understand how he runs his company.

Who knows, with this impending depression we could all be working in 18th century English steel mills.

when i say "hero", i mean that for one man to create a new type of airline is unbelievably impressive.. it's the business side of me respecting what he's done for himself and for travel in europe.

havana · 26-02-2009 09:23PM

As far as i'm concerned if i'm flexible i can fly to europe for cheaper than a train to cork. And i don't expect irish rail to provide a designated seat, a free meal or any other frills. I've never had a bad experience with ryanair and unless i have one severe enough to override the price I'll continue to fly with them when they offer the cheapest option. If aer lingus are cheaper on a day I'll go with them or combine flights as i have always done.

at the end of the day what do i need on a 3 hour flight thats taking me to the sun for a dirt cheap week away from the rain!

Carlotta · 26-02-2009 09:27PM

havana wrote: »

As far as i'm concerned if i'm flexible i can fly to europe for cheaper than a train to cork. And i don't expect irish rail to provide a designated seat, a free meal or any other frills. I've never had a bad experience with ryanair and unless i have one severe enough to override the price I'll continue to fly with them when they offer the cheapest option. If aer lingus are cheaper on a day I'll go with them or combine flights as i have always done.

at the end of the day what do i need on a 3 hour flight thats taking me to the sun for a dirt cheap week away from the rain!

Its that attitude of "as long as I'm fine it doesn't matter" that gets to me. Its ok for Ryanair to treat staff and passengers like crap as long as you're not one of them, but when you are then its a different story. I've not had a (very) bad experience with Ryanair either, but their appalling record speaks for itself.

pebbles21 · 26-02-2009 09:27PM

I for one wont be boycotting ryanair for the one and only reason and that is .............

Their wimminz are hot!

26-02-2009 09:29PM

NickNolte wrote: »

Wow. Just wow. I don't know what your lack of empathy says about you. Well I do but I'll bite my tongue. Obviously you've never been exploited in the workplace before. You're lucky.

I've worked for 5.11 an hour when mine wage was about 6.50 but i wouldn't really call that exploitation i guess..

I did feel sorry for the air hostesses, anyone would.. I just felt more sorry for myself that day taking two days of my annual leave to not even leave the airport

NickNolte · 26-02-2009 09:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

when i say "hero", i mean that for one man to create a new type of airline is unbelievably impressive.. it's the business side of me respecting what he's done for himself and for travel in europe.

Absolutely. From a business perspective it's very impressive indeed. However, and this is my fundamental point, much of it is on the back of exploitation. It is forward thinking though. Personally I think that employee and consumer rights in the West will gradually be eroded in the coming decades to the benefit of big business (the wealthy minority taking what's left from the poor majority in an increasingly ailiing Western economy). But hey, that's an argument for another thread.

In line with that though I would ask you this, Ads by Google - would you be happy to work as a member of Ryanair cabin crew?

26-02-2009 09:31PM

Carlotta wrote: »

Its that attitude of "as long as I'm fine it doesn't matter" that gets to me. Its ok for Ryanair to treat staff and passengers like crap as long as you're not one of them, but when you are then its a different story. I've not had a (very) bad experience with Ryanair either, but their appalling record speaks for itself.

Ryanair doesn't force anyone to work for them or any passengers to use them though..

26-02-2009 09:36PM

NickNolte wrote: »

Absolutely. From a business perspective it's very impressive indeed. However, and this is my fundamental point, much of it is on the back of exploitation. It is forward thinking though. Personally I think that employee and consumer rights in the West will gradually be eroded in the coming decades to the benefit of big business (the wealthy minority taking what's left from the poor majority in an increasingly ailiing Western economy). But hey, that's an argument for another thread.

In line with that though I would ask you this, Ads by Google - would you be happy to work as a member of Ryanair cabin crew?

I'm not sure if you can say "much of it is on the back of exploitation".. They pay min-wage or above and provide a safe working environement (by the plane being in flight, i assume it adheres to international safety standards).

It's definately not great treatment but it's adequate.. I'd only do the job for a month to see some of europe, i'd hate to be cabin crew!

havana · 26-02-2009 09:37PM

Carlotta wrote: »

Its that attitude of "as long as I'm fine it doesn't matter" that gets to me. Its ok for Ryanair to treat staff and passengers like crap as long as you're not one of them, but when you are then its a different story. I've not had a (very) bad experience with Ryanair either, but their appalling record speaks for itself.

Granted i have not quizzed all ryanair staff about how they feel but the 3 i do know have no horror stories to tell. Nor have i ever seen a ryanair staff abuse a passenger. So for now i will rely on my own observations and intuition over media stories and internet threads, thanks.

26-02-2009 09:42PM

Carlotta wrote: »

Didn't take you long to find this, Mr. O'Leary.

I'll take option 5 - I won't fly with Ryanair.

that was option 1 in the list you quoted tbh

NickNolte · 26-02-2009 09:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ryanair doesn't force anyone to work for them

Does that give them a right to treat their staff poorly?

26-02-2009 09:48PM

NickNolte wrote: »

Does that give them a right to treat their staff poorly?

How poorly are we talking? I honestly don't know..

The thing where they didn't get paid for them 3 hours in the plane, it's their contract.. rough but not poor treatment?

As I say though, I don't know much about their staff treatment?

NickNolte · 26-02-2009 09:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not sure if you can say "much of it is on the back of exploitation".. They pay min-wage or above and provide a safe working environement (by the plane being in flight, i assume it adheres to international safety standards).

That's the reason I don't fly with Ryanair. I'd like my cabin crew and pilots not to be earning as little as they can. I value their jobs, or the jobs they're supposed to be doing, a lot more than that. Certainly the pilots. The thought of entrusting my safety to some knackered out pilot who's pissed off with his job is not very comforting.

NickNolte · 26-02-2009 09:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

As I say though, I don't know much about their staff treatment?

I do. Their staff are treated like crap and overworked.

Having said all of this though, overworked pilots are not exclusive to Ryanair anymore. As their competitors try to compete, pilots are being asked to work ridiculous hours and it's very, very, very dangerous.

Carlotta · 26-02-2009 09:52PM

bluewolf wrote: »

that was option 1 in the list you quoted tbh

I was referring to the respondents list of options. he listed 4, and this is option 5. Thanks for the contribution, quality.

Neverwhere · 26-02-2009 09:52PM

im too tired to read all of this thread.

as someone who travels with ryan air back and forth between the UK and Ireland on a montly basis, i find the reinforced rules appalling.

the website is dreadful. you mark everything off, your flights etc are supposedly going to cost you 30 euro....and once you press confirm, the price jumps and there is no explanation for some of the additional costs.

false advertising anyone??

i also think the new baggage rules are a joke. i bring a small carry on suitcse with me each time....and i almost always get told i have to pay an extra 20 quid because my bag wont fit into the bin.

mind you this is usually because the bag is an awkward shape....not too big or overweight. its an absoloute joke.

2 flights ago i had a horrendous time. i had to get the train from oxford to birmingham international. it was bad weather, a train broke down and i was running late. i should have just barely made it to check in and catch my flight (if any of you know birmingham int. you'll know it take about 4 minutes to get to all gates) and was told there was no chance. apparently the flight had landed early, so they took it upon themselves to load passengers up early and take off. is that even legal??

with all of that said.....i have no choice but to travel with them. everyone else is far too expensive for frequent flying.

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