If you had the choice, would you leave Ireland?

Oeneus · 24-09-2002 10:11PM #1

I had the option open to me, and I took it. Would you?

If so...Why, and where would you go?

And if you already have, where did you go?

Kali · 24-09-2002 10:20PM

whats the choice?
anyone can leave if they want to... at any minute.

however if the opportunity came up where i was guaranteed a good-paying job in another country i'd go...

Oeneus · 24-09-2002 10:24PM

Not necessarily. A lot of us are under 18 and don't have as many open options to do so until the whole education thing is out of the way...like myself. But I was lucky!

phreak · 24-09-2002 10:24PM

Originally posted by Kali
anyone can leave if they want to... at any minute.

Thats what you think...:rolleyes:

PiE · 24-09-2002 11:15PM

If I had the opportunity to move to certain countries, like say somewhere in Scandinavia or the U.S., I'd drop this sh!tty country as soon as possible.

Don't think I'd be too tempted to move to Spain or anywhere hot though.

Mossy Monk · 24-09-2002 11:42PM

would i leave? yes. why? because of the shower of ****s running it. they don't give a **** about the people they represent and the sooner i'm gone the better

Dustaz · 25-09-2002 12:04AM

Ive had the chance on many occasions. I like Ireland, its better than a lot of you think. The grass is ALWAYS greener etc etc

Dun · 25-09-2002 12:47AM

Yeah, but only for a while - I'd definitely be back after a couple of years. Trying to get a tefl position in China at the mo'

WhiteWashMan · 25-09-2002 08:19AM

gone to the mainland.
and funnily enough, every time i go back to ireland the only thing i miss are my friends and family.
the standard of living is appalling in ireland, and its only when you leave do you realise just how bad it is.
the whole political issue us a shambles. ive never seen so much corruptiona dn incompetance in my life. but sure, thats ok, coz shure, arent we only oirish anyway.
the nice thing about surrey is that there are no shiney tracksuit wearing knackers here. no matter what part of ireland you go to there are knackers. dirty, foul, smelly knackers. am i racist against them?
am i a snob? you bet your ass i am.
ireland is filthy.
it is dirty.
the weather is always crap.
the insurance...doint start me.
the price of everything is just stupid.
the service industry is rubbish. its like banging your head in a car door over and over and over again.
plastic bag tax (!)

no, its easier for me to name the good things about ireland, the bad things are too long a list.
will i go back. for visits absolutely. its nice to see the reasons why i left, but its nicer to see my friends and family.
will i go back to live, not in this 10 years.
maybe when luas is built and dublin finally has a decent transport system.
or
if the house market crashes and i can buy a house cheaply. then i will buy 3, charge horrendous rent to students and screw people the way i was screwed fo so many years.
am i bitter?
no. lessons learnt and all that. im just glad i had the chance to leave, and that i took it. and that it worked out

if it hadnt, id be back in ireland saying bad things about england.

im glad i left.

Dr. Loon · 25-09-2002 08:27AM

A couple of years ago I did move to London for awhile cos work wasn't looking good here. It didn't look great in London either when I got there. Eventually the company where I was working closed down their offices, and shortly after I returned to Ireland. Which was the best move I've ever made!

If I had the choice now, I probably would move. New York would be the place for me, but there's other factors keeping me here right now. So I'll have to see

Beruthiel · 25-09-2002 08:58AM

gone to the mainland.

did you stick that in to see who would react??? nasty man!!

I agree with a lot of wwm said.

I will most likely move to France some time in the future, within the next 5 years or so...
the standard of living is sooo much better there.
one example of a long list:
I bought a one bedroom appartment here in Dublin 3 years ago for 80,000
my sister built (to her specs) a 4 bedroom/two bathroom house with hugh celler in the west of France for 90,000 - am I disgusted? yes....

as wwm said, the only thing I will miss is my family and friends and perhaps the very lively night life we have here...

Bard · 25-09-2002 08:59AM

Yes, I'd go if I could.

Why? To expand my horizons. To see more of the world while I'm here.

Where? The United States of America. Definitely.

BuffyBot · 25-09-2002 09:11AM

Definitely.

The US, The Carribean or Australia/New Zealand

bugler · 25-09-2002 11:29AM

Once I'm fully edumacated, I'm out of this rip off garbage-statelet.

WhiteWashMan · 25-09-2002 11:40AM

Originally posted by Beruthiel
gone to the mainland.

did you stick that in to see who would react??? nasty man!!

actually, its a running joke between myself, 2sheds, venom, majd, amp, shinji, mills, and anyone else im good friends with

but mostly its all castor troys fault.

lets ban him....

bombidol · 25-09-2002 12:12PM

Im outta here as soon as possible

Asuka · 25-09-2002 02:12PM

Ive left already. To tell the truth most places are fundamentally the same, a change of scenery can be nice, but you always have to bring yourself - nine time out of ten someone who wants to leave a country has a personal issue more than an issue with the actual country. It would be stupid to leave the country simply on the basis that you want to leave, youll usually find that wherever you move to is no better, even if they have stricter litter laws etc.

To summarise, all places are the same.

Except I just d/led a 100 meg file in 90 seconds here

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Cake Fiend · 25-09-2002 04:14PM

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
gone to the mainland.

You moved to France?

rymus · 25-09-2002 04:23PM

well... going to Canada & America next year for a couple of weeks and I'll be doing some jobsearching while I'm over.. If I got something over there I'd leave Ireland no bother...

grand I might only stay away a couple of years but its the experience that counts

mike65 · 25-09-2002 06:37PM

I came here from elsewhere and I hav'nt left and doubt I ever will.

Lacking ambition? Me?

Over there always looks better cos its further away, remember here looks good to someone over there...

Part of me hopes that whinger Paul who wrote that article in the Irish Times which I suspect prompted this thread, discovers
Austrailia is expensive, parochial, backward, violent and dirty
too.

Mike.

The Gopher · 25-09-2002 06:39PM

No I wouldnt leave but it can be a ****ty place.Our political system may be a joke and is more like those that existed in europe before the war but sure at leats we dont have anything as bad as Britains President Blair,all hail to me as I am infallible :rolleyes: Hes a wanker altogether.
Im OK with the weather-I dont even watch the weather I take it as it comes:)
Whitewashman-Whats wrong with tracksuits?Would you like if all of Ireland was dressed like them gimps from Dublin 4 you see in O Connel street dressed in their ancient tweed coats looking like Oscar Wild or something even though their only about 20?Those people are complete tits!Long live the tracker generation:)
Anyway I cant leave-I like my bed too much.:)
And besides Irish girls are FINE-way too good to abandon in search of inferiour european muff.Give me Irish over yer French any day-Ive been to France and they are way overrated in looks.

Some of the east european ones are nice though:) But then again thats irrevelant since why would anyone be emigrating to eastern europe?

Oeneus · 25-09-2002 07:17PM

Originally posted by mike65

Part of me hopes that whinger Paul who wrote that article in the Irish Times which I suspect prompted this thread, discovers
Austrailia is expensive, parochial, backward, violent and dirty
too.

Mike.

I never knew of any article.:)

Over there always looks better cos its further away, remember here looks good to someone over there...

And I moved to Ireland 6 years ago. After about 2 years I was dying to come back to Wales. It's was only after 6 years that I got the chance to leave!

Monty - the one and only · 26-09-2002 04:32AM

Hmm... Ive been bouncing between Ireland and canada alot over the last 3 years. I'll be back in ireland in 2 or so weeks then back in canada around christmas...I cant really see myself being away from ireland for anything more than a year tbh

WhiteWashMan · 26-09-2002 08:04AM

Originally posted by The Gopher

Whitewashman-Whats wrong with tracksuits?Would you like if all of Ireland was dressed like them gimps from Dublin 4 you see in O Connel street dressed in their ancient tweed coats looking like Oscar Wild or something even though their only about 20?

i never said there was anything wrong with tracksuits. i have a problem with the knackers that wear them as their sunday best.

and if by asking would i prefer people to be dressed like oscar wilde, it doesnt bother me what people wear, however, id rather dublin was full of D4 types than scumbags.

yes i do come from a more opulant part of the city, and i wont apologise for that, however, that has nothing to do with the fact that ireland is full of scumbags and knackers and i dont like them.
its not a point thats up for debate, its just a simple fact.

Shinji · 26-09-2002 12:11PM

Distressingly, I agree with most of what WWman says here

I wouldn't move to the USA mind, despite the fact that loads of folk on this thread seem to think it'd be great there. American people really, fundamentally annoy me (ignorant people do in general, and America has far more than its fair share of those) and I've really not liked what I've seen of the country. Horrible, leeching kind of nation, with no culture or depth of its own, just a recycled and cheapened version of other nations' achievements... Bleh. I'll stick to Europe cheers, and maybe the Far East at some later point.

Wook · 26-09-2002 12:56PM

damn right i would , this place is just medieval.
the stupid closing time hours, the unfriendly service in most of your pubs and public services is just a joke.
you guys dont even have affordable high speed internet.
the rent prices are just one big scam, the price i pay here i would rent a small villa on the continent.
having travelled trough most of europe i have seen the difference , and i cant say that any single country is 'THE' perfect country but damn some are trying hard to be that way.

I am a city man so your lovely forests and wide open fields are just lost on me and have no interrest whatsoever in these things.
I like big cities and love multicultural ones. bangkok really did open my eyes because this is the first asian country i visit and to give you an example...public transport is number one here.
every 2-3 minutes there is a bus passing by and every 15 seconds a cab. then furthermore you can choose between motorcycle taxis and tuk-tuk. whatever your budget is ..well you can travel around.
people here are nice and had never the irish look of 'what the feck do you want?' I pay..they smile, i am very ok with that !

and your right , the grass is always greener somewhere else. doesnt mean that is a bad thing right? maybe it is ?! better somewhere else? being a foreigner myself i have the option to leave and i will eventually..damn career move ! :P

eth0_ · 26-09-2002 01:59PM

Yes the grass *is* greener on the other side, you could travel and travel and you'll get pissed off with where you live sooner or later.

And if you hate this country so much, why don't you leave then? You class yourself as a 'foreigner', surely you don't owe this country anything in terms of debts or contracts, you can leave whenever you want. Personally i'm moving up north next year, where believe it or not I think it's safer, and has a much better infrastructure than this place

WhiteWashMan · 26-09-2002 02:09PM

Originally posted by eth0_
Yes the grass *is* greener on the other side, you could travel and travel and you'll get pissed off with where you live sooner or later.

And if you hate this country so much, why don't you leave then? You class yourself as a 'foreigner', surely you don't owe this country anything in terms of debts or contracts, you can leave whenever you want.

the pot....

Originally posted by eth0_
Personally i'm moving up north next year, where believe it or not I think it's safer, and has a much better infrastructure than this place

and the kettle....

Wook · 26-09-2002 03:03PM

'And if you hate this country so much, why don't you leave then? You class yourself as a 'foreigner', surely you don't owe this country anything in terms of debts or contracts, you can leave whenever you want.'

once again that proves my point, you dont listen as soon as somebody even has some critism you tell them to feck off.
but never do you (not all of you) listen and try to understand that there might be a word of truth in this?
do i have to own a country anything if i want to stay longer and work on my career? Eth , i think you just have this closed into your mind that being a patriot means , to tell everyone to feck off...believe me ..it's not.
i think if you really want to be an patriot , you might listen and understand that things can go better. that other countries might have solutions on problems you have and acknowledge this.
not just say, 'foreigner, get out if you dont like it'

eth0_ · 26-09-2002 03:20PM

"being a foreigner myself" you said. I wasn't being derogatory to you Wook. I think you're taking me up wrong here, I was pointing out that you're lucky in that you've not lived here all your life and haven't built up debts or have relationships that will tie you to this country, and i'd love to be in that position myself!

And i'm not patriotic at ALL and you know it

I'm not even IRISH ffs

Oeneus · 26-09-2002 03:30PM

Originally posted by The Gopher
Our political system may be a joke and is more like those that existed in europe before the war but sure at leats we dont have anything as bad as Britains President Blair,all hail to me as I am infallible :rolleyes: Hes a wanker altogether.

Tony Blair's president??

And anyway. Notice how most Irish Politicians are Fat and/or bald?

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