Who pays for the rescue?

peasant · 2009-02-10 13:38:50

Those two eejits that got stuck on top of a Wicklow mountain over night have now been found alive and well ...good for them. But who pays for their rescue? Up to four different helicopters and umpteen people where involved in the search ..is Mr John Q. Taxpayer liable for that or will those two be handed the bill? What…

10-02-2009 02:38PM

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Those two eejits that got stuck on top of a Wicklow mountain over night have now been found alive and well ...good for them.

But who pays for their rescue?

Up to four different helicopters and umpteen people where involved in the search ..is Mr John Q. Taxpayer liable for that or will those two be handed the bill?

What were they doing up there in these conditions in the first place?

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#2 10-02-2009 02:40PM

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Apparently it comes out of some slush fund from frozen accounts...

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#3 10-02-2009 02:41PM

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Was it not the rangers that found them in the end? Those guys are fricken awesome.

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#4 10-02-2009 02:43PM

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Are you talking about power rangers?

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#5 10-02-2009 02:48PM

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Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Are you talking about power rangers?

The pink one can resuce me anytime

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#6 10-02-2009 02:50PM

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I'm sick of supplementing those "power rangers" on their little forays of "mutual protection", supposedly in our name, only to see the city destroyed again. I think we should hold a protest to have their wages reduced.

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#7 10-02-2009 02:53PM

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The Rangers found them ? Jaysus, I'd be praying the weren't pissed about having to find 2 blokes stuck up in the mountains when they could be on a mad sekkrit mission somewhere.

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#8 10-02-2009 02:54PM

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http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58946058&postcount=1

Interesting.....

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#9 10-02-2009 02:58PM

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some reports say they were snowboarding ....
they should be made pay for the rescue teams and coast guards
:mad::mad::mad:

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#10 10-02-2009 02:58PM

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Turd Ferguson wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58946058&postcount=1

Interesting.....

Its says he is online now, can't be him, they are still trapped in the valley and can't.....

Wait, maybe he has a laptop with WIFI!

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#11 10-02-2009 02:59PM

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I heard those zords only get about .000204 miles to the gallon as well, I hope they're offsetting their carbon footpring - out of OUR taxpayers money though!

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#12 10-02-2009 03:04PM

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I was told in that past that if the air sea rescue plucks you out of the sea and its found that you have contributed greatly to your own endangerment - then you have to cough up a good few bills. Which if you think about it, is reasonable.

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#13 10-02-2009 03:07PM

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peasant wrote: »

Those two eejits that got stuck on top of a Wicklow mountain over night have now been found alive and well ...good for them.

But who pays for their rescue?

Up to four different helicopters and umpteen people where involved in the search ..is Mr John Q. Taxpayer liable for that or will those two be handed the bill?

What were they doing up there in these conditions in the first place?

Snowboarding, it's obvious you know very little about it, the taxpayer pays for it, and God forbid you get stuck up any mountain, I surely won't pay for you to be rescued.

We should unite and stand against this unbelievable waste of taxpayers money, saving lives, who do they think they are. Our money should be spent on doing Harney's nails, and flying biffo first class around the world. What a bloody waste of money, what's the world comming to, eh?

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#14 10-02-2009 03:09PM

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Audrey Prehistoric Barefaced wrote: »

Snowboarding, it's obvious you know very little about it, the taxpayer pays for it, and God forbid you get stuck up any mountain, I surely won't pay for you to be rescued.

We should unite and stand against this unbelievable waste of taxpayers money, saving lives, who do they think they are. Our money should be spent on doing Harney's nails, and flying biffo first class around the world. What a bloody waste of money, what's the world comming to, eh?

shut the **** up

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#15 10-02-2009 03:27PM

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Audrey Prehistoric Barefaced wrote: »

Snowboarding, it's obvious you know very little about it, the taxpayer pays for it, and God forbid you get stuck up any mountain, I surely won't pay for you to be rescued.

As it happens, I know a thing or two about mountaineering ..that's why wouldn't go up there in freezing fog conditions in the first place ...snowboard or no snowboard.

They weren't "rescued" ...they had to be plucked off the mountain back home to mammy where they should have staid in the first place.

Showing someone the way home does not equal rescue just because it involves helicopters in this case.

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#16 10-02-2009 04:48PM

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peasant wrote: »

As it happens, I know a thing or two about mountaineering ..that's why wouldn't go up there in freezing fog conditions in the first place ...snowboard or no snowboard.

They weren't "rescued" ...they had to be plucked off the mountain back home to mammy where they should have staid in the first place.

Showing someone the way home does not equal rescue just because it involves helicopters in this case.

Pfft,

I wouldn't go up in it either, have been up on lug and table top mountain a number of times myself. Thing is, there was snow, they went snowboarding, they got into a bit of bother, I don't see the reason for your rant. It happens. People go missing in that area every so often, it's unfortunate but it's not going to stop anytime soon.

Got a problem TBA?

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#17 10-02-2009 04:51PM

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tba wrote: »

shut the **** up

There's no need for that. Play nice.

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#18 10-02-2009 05:01PM

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Audrey Prehistoric Barefaced wrote: »

People go missing in that area every so often, it's unfortunate but it's not going to stop anytime soon.

No of course not, not as long as any tom Dick and Hariette can go up there regardless of preparation or conditions in the sure knowledge that they'll be picked off again free of charge in case it goes wrong

I'm not saying to let these people die up there, but charge them for the search and the lift down.

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#19 10-02-2009 05:16PM

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well the people in the mountain rescue teams are all volunteers and its a completely free service that they provide, not sure but i think if the coast guard helicopters get called in they do it for free too..

but of course all donations are welcomed

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#20 10-02-2009 05:29PM

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Rather trite replies to a good question in my humble opinion.

Surely it should be clear if these guys were careless and reckless in their approach and needlessly put rescuers and other lives at risk.

To say they were up there because "there was snow" is just not good enough,,did they follow the precautions everybody should know about ..letting people know where they were going / bringing suffiecient supplies etc etc.

If they didn't - then a nice fat bill from said John Q Taxpayer might teach them and other potential gimps a bit of a lesson.

By the way the mountain rescue people may be volunteers but they are in receipt of a grant for equipment /training / clothing etc (and rightly so) so the service is not entirely "free" .... yeah John Q again.!

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#21 10-02-2009 07:13PM

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To be honest, keeping these sar helicopters in the air is money well spent... certainly more so, than all these frickeing 'expenses' that TD's claim.

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#22 10-02-2009 07:28PM

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Jesus Christ, is this how petty people in this country are becoming! We should be just happy that the two people in questioned are safe.

What if they weren't found and died as a result? Everyone would be on here saying its an absolute disgrace that our rescue services weren't able to do anything about it and weren't up to the job. Then you'd have people saying, "hey, why isn't there not more money from taxes being put into these services?".

Two peoples lives were saved and all some people can do is moan about is who paid for it! Only in Ireland.

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#23 10-02-2009 07:34PM

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There has to be responsibility taken, and culpability. The whole country knew it was bad out there, so why should we spend money that should go on Vaccines for 12 year old girls to rescue morons off snowy, fog-bound mountains. They should be required to pay due to their majority contribution to their situation.

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#24 10-02-2009 07:36PM

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Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Jesus Christ, is this how petty people in this country are becoming! We should be just happy that the two people in questioned are safe.

What if they weren't found and died as a result? Everyone would be on here saying its an absolute disgrace that our rescue services weren't able to do anything about it and weren't up to the job. Then you'd have people saying, "hey, why isn't there not more money from taxes being put into these services?".

Two peoples lives were saved and all some people can do is moan about is who paid for it! Only in Ireland.

I am happy two lives were saved. But had they died, I and others would be decrying them for the irresponsibility and stupidity of being out there in the first place.

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#25 10-02-2009 07:46PM

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If they are so reckless then maybe, but you know what would happen then?

"I'm not ringing any ambulance/police/rescue service, i'll be charged for it"

They cover it anyway, by wasting time they can be charged and fined. If we start charging people for this, then everyone who rings the emergency services, any of the services, should be charged. Including people who smoke, who ate too much bacon and fatty foods over the years, who drink etc etc. You cannot say we should charge for mountain rescue and not charge for any of the other services. They are free so people will use them. If you are lying in the ditch dying because of your own stupidity, and I get charged if I ring for help.

Now you will say that the irresponsible person should be charged, right? Well how human nature goes, we are not all perfect, we do make mistakes and do end up in seriously bad situations. Charging people for the service isn't going to prevent this, yea it will cover the cost of the recovery, but you think people can afford that? It's not cheap. As it doesn't happen often enough, it should still be free...

We had a bit of snow, some people enjoyed it and ended up in a bad situation, they shouldn't have to pay for their rescue, it's a crazy suggestion. I am been up them mountains lots of times on sledges, great laugh, lots of people there too. I don't see the problem.

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#26 10-02-2009 07:51PM

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At least they were going up to snow board - i think the feckin ejitts who drove up the sally gap and got stuck overnight the other week were worse

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#27 10-02-2009 08:00PM

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Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Jesus Christ, is this how petty people in this country are becoming! We should be just happy that the two people in questioned are safe.

What if they weren't found and died as a result? Everyone would be on here saying its an absolute disgrace that our rescue services weren't able to do anything about it and weren't up to the job. Then you'd have people saying, "hey, why isn't there not more money from taxes being put into these services?".

Two peoples lives were saved and all some people can do is moan about is who paid for it! Only in Ireland.

Maybe we could have some kinda of reality game show. Whoever finds them (mountain rescue, rangers....... whoever) set up a remote broadcast.
They explain the situation, how the rescuees got there, their injuries etc.
Now the public have vote to decide whether to rescue them or not.
Moneys made from the phone/text vote go to paying the cost of the rescue.

Now everyones happy. Rescuers get paid, public decide who's deserving, and the rescuees find out whether they were stoopid or not.

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#28 10-02-2009 08:21PM

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I think it would be wrong to make them pay for the whole rescue operation ...they couldn't afford it, for starters (and it could have consequences down the line that only rich people have a hope of getting rescued when in difficulty.)

What was it again: 1 Aircorps heli, one costguard/SAR heli, one RAF helie, and another one with Welsh mountain rescue people?
Wicklow mountain rescue, the Welsh mountain rescue, gardai, Ambulances and 50 Rangers ..how many people?

But ... by going up a snow covered, foggy mountain just for the fun of it these guys acted highly irresponsibly and egotistically (what about these hundreds of people searching for them, risking their own health and lives?) and should be made pay for some of the cost...some form of "stupidity penalty" that's scaled to their income.

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#29 10-02-2009 08:46PM

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nipplenuts wrote: »

There has to be responsibility taken, and culpability. The whole country knew it was bad out there, so why should we spend money that should go on Vaccines for 12 year old girls to rescue morons off snowy, fog-bound mountains. They should be required to pay due to their majority contribution to their situation.

Yeah the reason why the girls aint getting the vaccines is because of these two lads... not because our country's being run by a bunch of @rseholes.

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#30 10-02-2009 09:15PM

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peasant wrote: »

I think it would be wrong to make them pay for the whole rescue operation ...they couldn't afford it, for starters (and it could have consequences down the line that only rich people have a hope of getting rescued when in difficulty.)

What was it again: 1 Aircorps heli, one costguard/SAR heli, one RAF helie, and another one with Welsh mountain rescue people?
Wicklow mountain rescue, the Welsh mountain rescue, gardai, Ambulances and 50 Rangers ..how many people?

But ... by going up a snow covered, foggy mountain just for the fun of it these guys acted highly irresponsibly and egotistically (what about these hundreds of people searching for them, risking their own health and lives?) and should be made pay for some of the cost...some form of "stupidity penalty" that's scaled to their income.

This thread fails sooo badly, no fines would ever be paid, legislation simply wouldn't be passed. Have any of you even thought about what you are saying??? I highly doubt it.

OMG they went up a fecking snowy mountain, big swinging mickey... who gives a damn. Next time you whine about something OP, try make sure it's important, yea?

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#31 10-02-2009 09:26PM

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Audrey Prehistoric Barefaced wrote: »

OMG they went up a fecking snowy mountain, big swinging mickey... who gives a damn. Next time you whine about something OP, try make sure it's important, yea?

When you have a chimney fire (because you couldn't be arsed to get it swept now and then) and you have to call the fire brigade ...guess what ..they come, put out the fire and then they charge you.

So why shouldn't you be charged if you fecklessley bumble up a mountain in dangerous (potentially lethal) conditions without a second thought and it then takes 100+ people and several helicopters to get you down again before you freeze to death?

Certainly a valid question, is it not?

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