General Bias towards UCD/Trinity in Educational Reporting in daily newspapers.

dodgyme · 05-02-2009 06:05PM

themont85 wrote: »

UCD is the biggest 3rd level college in Ireland, one of the oldest, has a good rank plus reputation and is one of the most recognisable worldwide..

UCD is mid ranking in age with Trinners and Maynooth being the 2 oldest so that argument is out the window

themont85 wrote: »

. They are bigger and more recognisable to outsiders. It doesn't mean they're better just that they have size and history which make them stand out to a person not entirely informed...

not really - trinity is well known because of its history but not UCD, so the argument must fall

themont85 wrote: »

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What annoyed me when I was in College was the chip on their shoulder stuff which some mates in school had about Trinity/UCD just because they went to DIT for example....

inversed snobbery or chip (one or the other)- yes I have seen this also and have to agree with you on that one.

Collie D · 05-02-2009 06:12PM

Would hardly call it unfair bias.

UCD is the biggest university in the country and Trinity is one of the oldest, the most famous and is ranked in the top 100 in the world.

The chip on the shoulder thing exists in these places as well. I went to UCD and you can read all the Trinity hating reports in the college rags. I always wondered how many of my fellow UCD heads had Trinity as first choice - I know I did

dodgyme · 05-02-2009 06:15PM

Trinity is the oldest and UCD is the biggest but you can come up with whatever criteria you like to fit your argument so they say. Anyhow one area that all colleges had a go at years ago was the quiz show challenging times - these were the results over the years. UCD with its size and Trinners with its history hardly excelled

1991[6] St Patrick's College, Maynooth - Runner up -> University of Limerick
1992 [7] St Patrick's College, Maynooth - Runner up -> Trinity College, Dublin
1993[8] University College, Cork - Runner up -> Bolton Street College of Technology
1994[9] University College, Cork - Runner up -> Cork Regional Technical College
1995 University College, Galway - Runner up -> [10] University of Limerick[11]
1996 [10] University College, Galway - Runner up -> Cork Regional Technical College
1997[12] Dublin City University - Runner up -> University of Limerick
1998 [13] University College, - Runner up -> Dublin Dublin Institute of Technology
1999[14] National University of Ireland, Maynooth - Runner up -> Dublin Institute of Technology
2000 [15] National College of Ireland[16] - Runner up -> National University of Ireland, Galway
2001[17] University College, Cork - Runner up -> National University of Ireland, Galway

themont85 · 05-02-2009 06:18PM

dodgyme wrote: »

UCD is mid ranking in age with Trinners and Maynooth being the 2 oldest so that argument is out the window

not really - trinity is well known because of its history but not UCD, so the argument must fall

inversed snobbery or chip (one or the other)- yes I have seen this also and have to agree with you on that one.

UCD not in size though. UCD is one of the oldest regardless.

Honestly which is better known, UCD or NUI Maynooth?

In terms of NUIs, UCD is best known because; its in Dublin so internationally and domestically would be better known, its size, largest number of courses, rank, long history as the Catholic University to rival Trinity...

Trinity, history blah blah blah

For instance, adding another analagy which you didn't respond to(the EU one), if the papers if describing the grouping of ITs in this country would probably say 'including DIT' because its the most recognisable. I don't agree that its 'snobbery' on behalf of journalists. Type in varios Institutions into the Irish Times and you get recent results about all, including about research, courses ect there. A lot of the journalists go to places like DIT for God's sake, my mates a journalist and he studied it at DIT!

themont85 · 05-02-2009 06:27PM

dodgyme wrote: »

Trinity is the oldest and UCD is the biggest but you can come up with whatever criteria you like to fit your argument so they say. Anyhow one area that all colleges had a go at years ago was the quiz show challenging times - these were the results over the years. UCD with its size and Trinners with its history hardly excelled

1991[6] St Patrick's College, Maynooth - Runner up -> University of Limerick
1992 [7] St Patrick's College, Maynooth - Runner up -> Trinity College, Dublin
1993[8] University College, Cork - Runner up -> Bolton Street College of Technology
1994[9] University College, Cork - Runner up -> Cork Regional Technical College
1995 University College, Galway - Runner up -> [10] University of Limerick[11]
1996 [10] University College, Galway - Runner up -> Cork Regional Technical College
1997[12] Dublin City University - Runner up -> University of Limerick
1998 [13] University College, - Runner up -> Dublin Dublin Institute of Technology
1999[14] National University of Ireland, Maynooth - Runner up -> Dublin Institute of Technology
2000 [15] National College of Ireland[16] - Runner up -> National University of Ireland, Galway
2001[17] University College, Cork - Runner up -> National University of Ireland, Galway

Sorry you definately have a chip on your shoulder. Nobody said that Trinners, UCD were smarter, more knowladgable in quizzes just that they ARE more recognisable domestically and internationally.

Also you said that by quoting size we're 'you can come up with whatever criteria you like to fit your argument so they say', are you not doing the same by putting up a list of winners of a quiz show?(which is pretty much irrelevant to your original beef)

This is why;
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland
/2008/1009/1223445617983.html
www.cao.ie-check out how many courses they have
Size
Check out wikipedia for all their respected history
They're in Dublin

General Bias towards UCD/Trinity in Educational Reporting in daily newspapers.

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