36,000 Jobs lost yet mass imigration contines

OPENROAD · 04-02-2009 09:39PM

KerranJast wrote: »

If you move to England you can join National Front. They'll suit you to a tee. Although that would make you of of "dem immigints". :rolleyes:

Actually maybe the UK, US and all the other countries can get the irish out and send them home, see what that does to our unemplyment figures.

DarkJager · 04-02-2009 09:39PM

Look at the strikes in the UK this week if you need an example of what is surely going to become more widespread as the recession wears on. Welcoming more and more immigrants into the country while more and more of our own are losing jobs with every day that passes is just ridiculous. I don't care what the PC brigade find to whinge about that, it is just not workable in the current economic climate, and no amount of fluffy talk about having open arms or other such **** is going to wash this time.

IMO, immigration should be stopped completely until we have at least managed to get the country back to some sort of balanced state. It is no use letting people come in and take jobs, when our own unemployment rate is hitting nearly 10%.

IHATELIBERTAS · 04-02-2009 09:40PM

trailerparkboy whats your view on the largest number of immigrants in this country, the british?

thelordofcheese · 04-02-2009 09:40PM

trailerparkboy wrote: »

Freedom of movement? I think not my friend , Ireland the u.k and sweden were the only 3 countries that allowed freedom of movement of labour, the other 12 european countries didnt allow it. So dont be telling me about free movement of labour in the E.U, when we were the most affected by this policy and the other 13 excluded the freedom of labour.

Ohh jesus h christ....

What your incorrectly refering to is the Free movement rights of nationals of new member states clause from the 2003 and 2005 Treaties of Accession.

These state that EU members can, at their discression, have a blockade on movement from new member states for two years, followed by a further three if they want to (and another 2 ontop of that if they really want to).

This, however doesn't apply to anyone coming from countries that were part of the EU already, and this has mostly expired for the nations from the 2003 and 2005 treaty.

This doesn't stop them from coming here, of course, it just means that they can be legally discriminated against when it comes to job interviews.

So, in effect, what you've said is at worst wrong and at best grossly misinterpreted.

OPENROAD · 04-02-2009 09:41PM

DarkJager wrote: »

Look at the strikes in the UK this week if you need an example of what is surely going to become more widespread as the recession wears on. Welcoming more and more immigrants into the country while more and more of our own are losing jobs with every day that passes is just ridiculous.

What about the Irish taking English,American .... jobs?

kevmy · 04-02-2009 09:41PM

trailerparkboy wrote: »

Freedom of movement? I think not my friend , Ireland the u.k and sweden were the only 3 countries that allowed freedom of movement of labour, the other 12 european countries didnt allow it. So dont be telling me about free movement of labour in the E.U, when we were the most affected by this policy and the other 13 excluded the freedom of labour.

That is in a word - incorrect.

For the 1st 2 years after the EU enlargement Ireland, Britain and Sweden where the only countries to provide unfettered access to work for the accession countries. The other EU countries let the workers in subject to the visa process. At the moment all EU provide freedom of movement between EU countries. However remember that all the 'old' EU countries had freedom of movement during that period and now.

Also these figures are just bald figures you don't know where these people are coming from - be it England, the US, Australia, Thailand, Poland etc. The numbers of immigrants entering have dropped hugely in the last year, accompanied by large numbers of immigrants returning to there home countries.

galwayrush · 04-02-2009 09:43PM

muffinob1 wrote: »

Galwayrush with a name like that I'm guedding from the west..

How many relations neighbourd etc do you have in Boston it's like a mini west of Ireland over there since the 80's.

It's builders and bankers with their crazy wages for last 10 years that caused a problem. Without those people you are giving out about most pubs, shops and coffee shops would have closed in the last 10 years cos God knows Irish people were too good for those jobs. Would ye all cop on and grow up and stop moaning they are is entitled to come here as we were in the 80's. Also have you seen the figures for Irish people looking for visas to USA and Australia in the last 6 months!!!

Cop on and grow up - no wonder they have Irish need not apply signs up in Poland if they met people like you here

What on earth made you make a response like that when i didn't express any such opinion?

DarkJager · 04-02-2009 09:44PM

OPENROAD wrote: »

What about the Irish taking English,American .... jobs?

Both countries are substantially larger than Ireland. Does that answer your question?

IHATELIBERTAS · 04-02-2009 09:44PM

DarkJager wrote: »

Both countries are substantially larger than Ireland. Does that answer your question?

No, no it doesn't.

sunshine007 · 04-02-2009 09:45PM

ongarite wrote: »

Are you for real? If you're a EU worker coming to this country, you ain't get nothing unless from social welfare you have been working here for 2 years.
Only then could you claim the dole the same as all the unemployeed people in this country.

Just outta curiosity, if an individual has only been working for say a year and half and then finds themselves out of work, has no savings etc, are they still entitled to Nothing? No money to pay rent, or catch a flight home... cant claim dole.... what does that individual do?

trailerparkboy · 04-02-2009 09:45PM

Also these figures are just bald figures you don't know where these people are coming from - be it England, the US, Australia, Thailand, Poland etc. The numbers of immigrants entering have dropped hugely in the last year, accompanied by large numbers of immigrants returning to there home countries.[/quote]

Hello take a look at the link, it gives a break down country by country of all the Immigrants and where they have come from.

CiaranC · 04-02-2009 09:45PM

IHATELIBERTAS wrote: »

Trailerparkboy:

:rolleyes:

go to canada and please dont come back.

So Trailerparkboy has been an emigrant, is going to emigrate again, and advocates emigration for other Irish people, but opposes immigration into Ireland. rofl

IHATELIBERTAS · 04-02-2009 09:48PM

450 french!!!!! get em' out.

anyway most of them come into the country and leave shortly afterwards when there is no work to be found. pretty weird so many poles tho, over 1,000?

OPENROAD · 04-02-2009 09:50PM

DarkJager wrote: »

Both countries are substantially larger than Ireland. Does that answer your question?

No it doesn't answer my question, the UK Economy is in a terrible state, likewise other countries, have you seen how many jobs are been lost daily?? Size of the country really has nothing to do with.

DarkJager · 04-02-2009 09:51PM

IHATELIBERTAS wrote: »

No, no it doesn't.

Let me explain it for you so:

Britain - Population=60.943,912(approx)
U.S - Population= 303,824,640(approx)
Ireland - Population=4,156,119(approx)

Please explain to me how a few Irish going to the UK or US for jobs,are going to have any sort of impact on job availabilty for native workers when their populations are so high? Do you see how people incoming to a nation as small as Ireland while unemployment is dancing around the 10% mark is completely unworkable?

I just thought I'd iron that bull**** point about Irish taking US/UK jobs, because I'm sick of the PC ****heads throwing out such stupid comments when it comes to debates about the effect of immigration.

schween · 04-02-2009 09:54PM

DarkJager wrote: »

Let me explain it for you so:

Britain - Population=60.943,912(approx)
U.S - Population= 303,824,640(approx)
Ireland - Population=4,156,119(approx)

Please explain to me how a few Irish going to the UK or US for jobs,are going to have any sort of impact on job availabilty for native workers when their populations are so high? Do you see how people incoming to a nation as small as Ireland while unemployment is dancing around the 10% mark is completely unworkable?

I just thought I'd iron that bull**** point about Irish taking US/UK jobs, because I'm sick of the PC ****heads throwing out such stupid comments when it comes to debates about the effect of immigration.

There a 12 million illegal immigrants in the US, that's not including the legals so there are far more immigrants in those than here.

IHATELIBERTAS · 04-02-2009 09:54PM

because if there was work there then the natives would be working those jobs not the irish.

galwayrush · 04-02-2009 09:56PM

muffinob1 , can you please explain post 27

OPENROAD · 04-02-2009 09:57PM

IHATELIBERTAS wrote: »

because if there was work there then the natives would be working those jobs not the irish.

I don't think he can get his head around that one.

IHATELIBERTAS · 04-02-2009 09:57PM

trailerpark boy u havent a clue. absolute hypocrit.

trailerparkboy · 04-02-2009 09:58PM

DarkJager wrote: »

Let me explain it for you so:

Britain - Population=60.943,912(approx)
U.S - Population= 303,824,640(approx)
Ireland - Population=4,156,119(approx)

Please explain to me how a few Irish going to the UK or US for jobs,are going to have any sort of impact on job availabilty for native workers when their populations are so high? Do you see how people incoming to a nation as small as Ireland while unemployment is dancing around the 10% mark is completely unworkable?

I just thought I'd iron that bull**** point about Irish taking US/UK jobs, because I'm sick of the PC ****heads throwing out such stupid comments when it comes to debates about the effect of immigration.

Excatly, the usa canada and aus also have controls of how many immigrants they leave in not like Ireland, so any Irish going to these countries will not have much of a effect, now if 5% of these countries total population came in every year as immigrants that would be crazy , this is what has been happening in Ireland the last few years 200,000 immigrants a year on average equals 5% of the Irish population, now if this happened in the USA that would mean 15 million immigrants a year which they would not let happen espically when they are in recession the same as Ireland.

javaboy · 04-02-2009 09:58PM

DarkJager wrote: »

I just thought I'd iron that bull**** point about Irish taking US/UK jobs, because I'm sick of the PC ****heads throwing out such stupid comments when it comes to debates about the effect of immigration.

Watch it.

DarkJager · 04-02-2009 10:00PM

IHATELIBERTAS wrote: »

because if there was work there then the natives would be working those jobs not the irish.

So the Irish are just emmigrating to these places for a ****in laugh so is it?

IHATELIBERTAS · 04-02-2009 10:01PM

yeah they seem to be actually. i havent actually heard anyone mention the usa, but they all seem to be flooding to australia when thee jobs there are becoming very limited.

trailerparkboy · 04-02-2009 10:03PM

IHATELIBERTAS wrote: »

trailerpark boy u havent a clue. absolute hypocrit.

Im sure you will grow up and in 5 years time you will not be such a P.C left wing Idiot.

IHATELIBERTAS · 04-02-2009 10:04PM

I hope you are run out of canada mo chara.

The Saint · 04-02-2009 10:05PM

Oooh personal insults now. Nice. I think you lost all credibility on this thread when this was brought up:

Heading over myself too, dont know what the work situation is like but i hear the cities except for adelaide have few jobs. If your thinking of going to canada theres still lots of work, lived there myself for a few years, however dont go to eastern canada if your looking for work vert bad wages there, you can get double the wages in Alberta and if u want to go to the Yukon (where i was) the wages are very high plus lots of overtime plus great people and great quality of life.

OPENROAD · 04-02-2009 10:07PM

trailerparkboy wrote: »

Im sure you will grow up and in 5 years time you will not be such a P.C left wing Idiot.

And you are off to Canada? priceless, as a matter of interest, do you want a total ban on people coming to Ireland? What ab out the people already here? What about EU immigrants?

schween · 04-02-2009 10:07PM

trailerparkboy wrote: »

this is what has been happening in Ireland the last few years 200,000 immigrants a year on average .

Right, I see. So considering that in 2006 there were 419,000 foreign nationals in the country, that must mean there's over 800,000 in the country now and soon 1 million.

javaboy · 04-02-2009 10:10PM

IHATELIBERTAS wrote: »

trailerpark boy u havent a clue. absolute hypocrit.

Attack the post not the poster.

trailerparkboy wrote: »

Im sure you will grow up and in 5 years time you will not be such a P.C left wing Idiot.

Banned.

36,000 Jobs lost yet mass imigration contines

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