Girl Dies in Washing Machine

tba · 04-02-2009 02:49PM

BnA wrote: »

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

There is nothing funny about any child's death.

True, but all those puns were hilarious.

MagicMarker · 04-02-2009 02:51PM

walshb wrote: »

Ok, lets get this straight. Leaving young children alone is no bother?

Is that what you are saying?

My point is that real danger can happen in doing so; and yes, there are times where young children are left alone for very short periods of time; I am not denying that. My point is that is is bad and can lead to tragedy.

Did you see nothing wrong with Maddie being left alone in an apartment with two younger
children?
And were did I say my child fell from the TOP of the stairs?

You don't know the exact circumstance, so why state it as fact?

Also, if you bothered to read the report you would know the parents were nowhere to
be seen. It took time for this tragedy to happen. They weren't even close to
preventing it. Both children were ALONE!

I'm not disputing that it can be dangerous to leave children alone.

I'm disputing that in THIS case it was neglect, that you seem to be insinuating. The women was gone for two minutes, she may have been taking a dump ffs, do you bring your child with you when you take a dump.

You say you've never left your child alone for more than 30 seconds? How long exactly does it take for a child to seriously injure themselves?

My point is, you can never have your eye on them for every second, even you can't dispute that? And you can't dispute anything can happen in those few seconds, it doesn't make it the parent's fault.

murfie · 04-02-2009 02:52PM

I wouldn't put blame on the parents, its the washing machine design I blame. How could you sell a product that a 15 month can switch on! The controls should have been either out of reach or had some sort of child lock. You can see it on a good few models now.

gamblitis · 04-02-2009 02:56PM

I think washine machine manufacturers are looking for a boost in sales drawing to attention to the fact that you can fit a whole kid inside!That would be loads of clothes!!

I blame the recession!

MagicMarker · 04-02-2009 02:57PM

walshb wrote: »

How log does it take for a child to injure itself?

Is that a scientific answer? It can take as little or as long
as you think. I my case, it took 25 secs.

Well done, you're an awful parent, apparently.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 04-02-2009 02:57PM

You are over protective Walsh, which is fine for a while. I don't think you will be doing this all their lives, I hope not for their sake.

Anyway, leaving your kids alone is perfectly fine. Do you watch your children play at ever second in every day? When they go "missing" do you panic?

Leaving children alone for a long period of time is not a good idea, leaving your children around dangerous objects, machinery or chemicals is obviously a bad idea.

Walsh, your views are.. well.. nutty... She may have been out of the country? The child's four. I doubt you have children. I seriously doubt it. Saying so just so people don't bash you.

If anybody here who has ever cared for a young child can genuinely say they've never let them out of their sight (in the house...)

I would say they are lying. Never left your child alone for more than 30 seconds? You are a liar... Simple as. Watching your children sleep is extreme. A bit freaky I might add.

c - 13 · 04-02-2009 02:58PM

Well even if the parent had seen the child it might have been a nightmare to try get the door open. Nearly all washing machines are designed to stay closed as the water slowly drains out of them taking maybe 1 Minute +

The glass in the front panel woudl also be relatively difficult the break and the door design in most is quite difficult to prise open.

Chances are if she had seen the kid in there she may not have been able to get her out in time anyway.

walshb · 04-02-2009 03:00PM

Cassius Low Lice wrote: »

You are over protective Walsh, which is fine for a while. I don't think you will be doing this all their lives, I hope not for their sake.

Anyway, leaving your kids alone is perfectly fine. Do you watch your children play at ever second in every day? When they go "missing" do you panic?

Leaving children alone for a long period of time is not a good idea, leaving your children around dangerous objects, machinery or chemicals is obviously a bad idea.

Walsh, your views are.. well.. nutty... She may have been out of the country? The child's four. I doubt you have children. I seriously doubt it. Saying so just so people don't bash you.

I would say they are lying. Never left your child alone for more than 30 seconds? You are a liar... Simple as. Watching your children sleep is extreme. A bit freaky I might add.

And this parent left her child alone around machinery. :rolleyes:

Holy sh1t!

I don't expect parents to sleep in with their children as well; I know at times
they will be alone; but when they are alert/awake and active, aged 15 months, alone is not a good
idea, ever!

Get with it. It's not rocket science

walshb · 04-02-2009 03:01PM

c - 13 wrote: »

"Well even if the parent had seen the child it might have been a nightmare to try get the door open. Nearly all washing machines are designed to stay closed as the water slowly drains out of them taking maybe 1 Minute +

The glass in the front panel woudl also be relatively difficult the break and the door design in most is quite difficult to prise open."

Chances are if she had seen the kid in there she may not have been able to get her out in time anyway.[/QU

And how about the childs chances of getting in and the brother switching on the machine
while they were in view. Do you think that may make a difference?:rolleyes:

MagicMarker · 04-02-2009 03:01PM

walshb wrote: »

And this parent left her child alone around machinery. :rolleyes:

Holy sh1t!

You're just trolling now man.

javaboy · 04-02-2009 03:04PM

How many people here could have conceivably climbed into a washing machine without their parents' knowledge and stay there undiscovered for a couple of minutes when they were that age?

I know I definitely could have and I wouldn't consider my parents neglectful in any way.

walshb · 04-02-2009 03:04PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

You're just trolling now man.

Trolling because I believe that young children left alone and unsupervised is not a good idea?

Yeah, so be it then!:rolleyes:

Good counter argument:rolleyes:

walshb · 04-02-2009 03:06PM

javaboy wrote: »

How many people here could have conceivably climbed into a washing machine without their parents' knowledge and stay there undiscovered for a couple of minutes when they were that age?

I know I definitely could have and I wouldn't consider my parents neglectful in any way.

It happens. What's your point?

The point is that it would not happen if the parents were watching their children.

As a matter of interest; does anyone believe the McCanns were not wrong in what
they did with Maddie?

c - 13 · 04-02-2009 03:07PM

walshb wrote: »

And how about the childs chances of getting in and the brother switching on the machine
while they were in view. Do you think that may make a difference?:rolleyes:

You said it yourself man, 25 seconds can make all the difference. Do you think they stood there and discussed it or something first.

4YO - Thinks it would be funny to climb in the washing machine when mammy isn't looking
2YO - Slams door and hits start button

Could easily happen within the 25 second period that you've decided is acceptable ...

c - 13 · 04-02-2009 03:09PM

walshb wrote: »

As a matter of interest; does anyone believe the McCanns were not wrong in what
they did with Maddie?

As to this there is a huge difference in a minute or two and leaving them alone while you piss off for your dinner, huge difference.

No, i'm not a parent myself before someone inevitably asks.

Cathmandooo · 04-02-2009 03:10PM

walshb wrote: »

It happens. What's your point?

The point is that it would not happen if the parents were watching their children.

As a matter of interest; does anyone believe the McCanns were not wrong in what
they did with Maddie?

Letting a child near an open fire without supervision is very dangerous, it's not the same as a washing machine. No parent can possibly watch their children all day. Do you sit and watch your children sleep? Do you sleep yourself? Do you lock them into cots so they can't harm themselves at night?

CreepingDeath · 04-02-2009 03:10PM

walshb wrote: »

Trolling because I believe that young children left alone and unsupervised is not a good idea?

Yeah, so be it then!:rolleyes:

Good counter argument:rolleyes:

What should they do when the parent needs a toilet break or to answer the door then ?

What's your solution ? Put big boxing gloves on them permanently so they can't press buttons and turn dials ?

walshb · 04-02-2009 03:11PM

c - 13 wrote: »

You said it yourself man, 25 seconds can make all the difference. Do you think they stood there and discussed it or something first.

4YO - Thinks it would be funny to climb in the washing machine when mammy isn't looking
2YO - Slams door and hits start button

Could easily happen within the 25 second period that you've decided is acceptable ...

Yes, it could if you were not watching them. My child suffered a dangerous fall
from 25 secs. I am admitting that I made the error, not the child.

Now, leaving a child alone can result in tragedy. To me, this particular case is a little different. 2 mins is the reported time. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was longer; ut again, 2 mins is also enough time for tragedy!

As was the Maddie case different!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 04-02-2009 03:11PM

walshb wrote: »

It happens. What's your point?

The point is that it would not happen if the parents were watching their children.

As a matter of interest; does anyone believe the McCanns were not wrong in what
they did with Maddie?

One thing I have noticed about your posts, you post 2 and 3 times in a row. Sure I do it from time to time, not a lot, you do it every page... why?

You are full of ifs buts and maybes... it's a load of rubbish. What if this happened, and that and this again... bla bla bla.

Who cares about Maddie, we have heard enough about that, it's not what we are talking about here. Completely differant situation.

javaboy · 04-02-2009 03:13PM

walshb wrote: »

It happens. What's your point?

The point is that it would not happen if the parents were watching their children.

You're right. If the parents had been watching them it wouldn't have happened. My point is that just because you could have prevented something happening and you didn't, it doesn't make it your fault. When it comes to young children, yes parents must take responsibility for an awful lot of the things children get up to but some freak incidents just can't be anticipated. No parent can watch their children every second of every day and there is only so much you can do to keep your child safe.

It doesn't make someone a bad parent when something like this happens. It makes them a victim of a cruel unfortunate accident.

As a matter of interest; does anyone believe the McCanns were not wrong in what
they did with Maddie?

Completely different kettle of fish and you know it. There's a world of difference between leaving young children alone in an apartment while you are having a few drinks and leaving a child unsupervised in an adjoining room for 2 minutes.

walshb · 04-02-2009 03:14PM

Cathooo wrote: »

Letting a child near an open fire without supervision is very dangerous, it's not the same as a washing machine. No parent can possibly watch their children all day. Do you sit and watch your children sleep? Do you sleep yourself? Do you lock them into cots so they can't harm themselves at night?

If you bothered to read my posts; I did say that you cannot watch all the time.

I said that this case was different and that two mins when the child is awake and active is not good parenting.

A sleeping child cannot be watched sleeping all the time. Don't tell me it's the same
thing as an active child being left alone. It's not!

Cot deaths occur every day and I don't attach any blame whatsoever
on the parents. It happened to my ow brother 30 years ago!

Quackles · 04-02-2009 03:14PM

ffs, how can you compare leaving your children in the next room to going out for a night of tapas and drink and leaving them at home with no babysitter? That must be a fantastic colostomy bag you have that holds so much you never have to take a sh!t while you're minding your child. It's such a freak accident you'd never see it coming. I just wish I was as perfect a parent as you seem to be, but having two kids and only one pair of eyes makes it tough to stare at them both 24 hours a day. Now, excuse me while I leave my three year old alone playing on the floor and make myself a cup of coffee. With no guilt whatsoever, might I add.

Wagon · 04-02-2009 03:14PM

FebruaryFuhrer wrote: »

From the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/02/03/us/AP-Washer-Death.html

Should the parent/s be charged over this?

Yeah! Such a senseless waste of electricity...

walshb · 04-02-2009 03:17PM

javaboy wrote: »

You're right. If the parents had been watching them it wouldn't have happened. My point is that just because you could have prevented something happening and you didn't, it doesn't make it your fault. When it comes to young children, yes parents must take responsibility for an awful lot of the things children get up to but some freak incidents just can't be anticipated. No parent can watch their children every second of every day and there is only so much you can do to keep your child safe.

It doesn't make someone a bad parent when something like this happens. It makes them a victim of a cruel unfortunate accident.

Completely different kettle of fish and you know it. There's a world of difference between leaving young children alone in an apartment while you are having a few drinks and leaving a child unsupervised in an adjoining room for 2 minutes.

Java, a sensible and intelligent response even if I don't agree fully.

Bottom line: Leave you child alone for any period of time; expect something COULD
happen. In this case, it did and it's a tragedy and the parents will
never get over it. IMO; it was an example of bad parenting, not deliberate, but
neglectful nonetheless. And we don't even know the full circumstances yet!

BTW, at least two minutes was the story.

It could have been more. Anyway, we always hear it, " I only took
my eye off her for a second" or "I didn't know that pit bull was so dangerous" etc etc etc.

Yeah, blame the pit bull or the fire or the washing machine on your neglect!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 04-02-2009 03:19PM

walshb wrote: »

Yes, it could if you were not watching them. My child suffered a dangerous fall
from 25 secs. I am admitting that I made the error, not the child.

You're joking, right???

I said that this case was different and that two mins when the child is awake and active is not good parenting.

It's neither good nor bad. You cannot say parents are bad because they leave their children for 2 minutes. You're up in the clouds, you don't have a clue...

Ostrom · 04-02-2009 03:20PM

walshb wrote: »

Trolling because I believe that young children left alone and unsupervised is not a good idea?

Yeah, so be it then!:rolleyes:

Good counter argument:rolleyes:

They were supervised, you cant base that reasoning on so extreme an example. Does/would it enter your mind (for arguments sake) when you're in the kitchen (or wherever it is) that your child might climb into the washing machine, and that your other, 15 month old may have the presence of mind to close the door, and press exactly the right button?

Re-read the details - No parent plans for something like that, you cant. Its impossible, not without lashing your child to a post in a padded room.

Unbelievable accidents happen every day

IvySlayer · 04-02-2009 03:20PM

walshb wrote: »

Java, a sensible and intelligent response even if I don't agree fully.

Bottom line: Leave you child alone for any period of time; expect something COULD
happen. In this case, it did and it's a tragedy and the parents will
never get over it. IMO; it was an example of bad parenting, not deliberate, but
neglectful nonetheless And we don't even know the full circumstances yet!

Children will run and play all over the house, you sit down, you're acting like they left the house. She was in the next room. I mind my 2 year old niece sometimes, usually make sure she's not alone in a room, but sometimes she strolls into the kitchen to grab a toy or something, but she's run out of the room in a flash. When I was younger, me and my brother would sit looking at the washing machine for hours, we did have a child lock on it though, and was extrmemly difficult to turn on.

How big was the washing machine if a 5 year old could fit into it?

Quackles · 04-02-2009 03:21PM

Maybe Walshb is right.. Maybe I should pull my child out of school because he's not getting the 24 hour one on one supervision he deserves - the let him go to the toilet on his own! What if he drowned in the cistern? That's it, homeschooling for me!

Cathmandooo · 04-02-2009 03:24PM

walshb wrote: »

If you bothered to read my posts; I did say that you cannot watch all the time.

I said that this case was different and that two mins when the child is awake and active is not good parenting.

A sleeping child cannot be watched sleeping all the time. Don't tell me it's the same
thing as an active child being left alone. It's not!

Cot deaths occur every day and I don't attach any blame whatsoever
on the parents. It happened to my ow brother 30 years ago!

Yes but you claim you only let your children out of your sight for a max of 30 seconds? And that if you leave your children for longer than that then you're a neglectful parent? Is that right?

If so, I say that's awful rubbish. Again I say you can't watch them all the time, and by that I mean they'll easily go out of your sight for over 30 seconds. A 4 year old and 15 month old are both at a very active age and can be very fast. I'd just love to know how you do your daily chores and get away with what you claim you do, in fact I'd go as far as saying it would be pretty amazing to be able to do it.

Sadly your child got injured after 25 seconds, it doesn't make you a neglectful parent, nor does not seeing them for 2 minutes.

walshb · 04-02-2009 03:25PM

IvySlayer wrote: »

Children will run and play all over the house, you sit down, you're acting like they left the house. She was in the next room. I mind my 2 year old niece sometimes, usually make sure she's not alone in a room, but sometimes she strolls into the kitchen to grab a toy or something, but she's run out of the room in a flash. When I was younger, me and my brother would sit looking at the washing machine for hours, we did have a child lock on it though, and was extrmemly difficult to turn on.

How big was the washing machine if a 5 year old could fit into it?

She was in the next room. Again, what does that matter. The child is dead from not being monitored! It's just not sinking in!

And for anyone who again jumps in with "you can't watch them 24/7," I know you can't; but leaving them unsupervised at such a young age is not good; no mater what the excuse.

She did it for long enough to cause this tragedy. At least two mins!

Girl Dies in Washing Machine

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