Girl Dies in Washing Machine

FebruaryFuhrer

From the New York Times:

MISSION VIEJO, Calif. (AP) -- Authorities say a 4-year-old girl died after she climbed into a washing machine and her little brother switched it on.

Orange County sheriff's officials say Kayley Ishii apparently climbed into the front-loading washer Monday and her 15-month-old brother managed to start the device.

Sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino says the machine's controls were 20 inches from the floor and the start switch was a simple push button.

The girl was in the water-filled, tumbling machine for at least two minutes before her mother found her. Her death was ruled accidental.

Investigators say the mother could not explain why Kayley climbed inside the machine.
Says Amormino: ''They don't know if they were playing or what.''

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/02/03/us/AP-Washer-Death.html

Should the parent/s be charged over this?

Mimikyu

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S.I.R

jasus, did she hitthe turbo spin too ??


its weird how lifes can be washed away like that :eek:

Mena

FebruaryFuhrer wrote: »

From the New York Times:




http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/02/03/us/AP-Washer-Death.html

Should the parent/s be charged over this?

Sad story, but (assuming the facts as presented are verified and accurate) why in the hell should the parents be charged? Gross negligence in respect of 24 hour washing machine security?

Quazzie

I heard a rumour the brother has been hard on the booze lately and that he pushed her in*


*Source

Law & Order SVU

S.I.R

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

I heard a rumour the brother has been hard on the booze lately and that he pushed her in*


*Source

Law & Order SVU

*cut to DNA evidence and silly overly done camera angles to the busty blonde science chick * :pac:

banquo

Tragic, but we don't know to what extent the parents are at fault.

God, what a way to go.

MagicMarker

I always knew hotpoint were a bunch of murdering bastards.

stovelid

FebruaryFuhrer wrote: »

Should the parent/s be charged over this?

You're joking, right?

Mingey

Ah well. At least she'll be nice and clean.

Sad story though. I could imagine something like this happening quite easily.

Rabies

It was an accident. You can't blame the parents. It happens, but thankfully rarely.

FebruaryFuhrer

stovelid wrote: »

You're joking, right?

Not joking, also didn't say that I personally agree. Just attempting to provoke a discussion. Which is difficult when everyone has the same opinion.

The_Minister

The parents will probably have to hire a PR consultant to put a good spin on this.

Hopefully their reputations come out clean.

Quazzie

walshb wrote: »

Well, why was two young children left alone?
A 4 year old is bad enough; but leaving a 15 month old
baby alone is IMO very poor form!

A bit like Maddie McCann; left alone with two young
children. That was also very poor form!

Am I right in guessing you are not a parent?

gamblitis

The_Minister wrote: »

Hopefully their reputations come out clean.

I doubt it.Id say he forgot to put in detergent.

MagicMarker

walshb wrote: »

Well, why was two young children left alone?
A 4 year old is bad enough; but leaving a 15 month old
baby alone is IMO very poor form!

A bit like Maddie McCann; left alone with two young
children. That was also very poor form!

Err, it sounds like she was in the next room ffs!

stovelid

walshb wrote: »

Well, why was two young children left alone?
A 4 year old is bad enough; but leaving a 15 month old
baby alone is IMO very poor form!

A bit like Maddie McCann; left alone with two young
children. That was also very poor form!

Either you're not a parent, or you attach your children to you with leashes.

Turd Ferguson

I can forsee this thread will spin out of control.

MagicMarker

walshb wrote: »

And one needs to be a parent to understand the concept. I am by the way and I took my eye of my child for 2 secs and the child fell down the stairs. Now, it doesn't take a rocket
scientist to figure out that if you tun your back for a second with a young child, they can be in real danger; never mind two minutes, as was the "reported" case here.

BTW, my child wasn't hurt badly; just a shock. That's not to say worse could not have happened.

I am doubting you are a parent, and if so; I'm rather concerned!

So, when in your presence your child is ALWAYS in your eyeline? You never for one second take your eye off them, apart from at the top of the stairs of course.

Seriously man, that's BS and you know it.

sillysasauge

A Child dying in a washing machine....Well Funny!
Just cos you cnuts are distanced from this doesn't make it less real.

phantom_lord

walshb wrote: »

Well, why was two young children left alone?
A 4 year old is bad enough; but leaving a 15 month old
baby alone is IMO very poor form!

A bit like Maddie McCann; left alone with two young
children. That was also very poor form!

lol

Turd Ferguson

Kids will do stupid things: FACT
It is what we did and it is what all kids do. But you need to let them make their own mistakes. Ok, a child dying is very bad but that is 1 child in 1,000,000,000. But scraped knees and bumps on the head growing up is what needs to happen. If you shelter your child from all germs and all danger they will grow up to be little pussies (couldnt think of a better way to put it).

stovelid

walshb wrote: »

And one needs to be a parent to understand the concept. I am by the way and I took my eye of my child for 2 secs and the child fell down the stairs. Now, it doesn't take a rocket
scientist to figure out that if you tun your back for a second with a young child, they can be in real danger; never mind two minutes, as was the "reported" case here.

BTW, my child wasn't hurt badly; just a shock. That's not to say worse could not have happened.

I am doubting you are a parent, and if so; I'm rather concerned!

I am, albeit with a younger child.

If anybody here who has ever cared for a young child can genuinely say they've never let them out of their sight (in the house, obviously not outside or at the top of the stairs) for a minute or two, whether by distraction or some other reason, I salute them.

Not everyone is omniscient, however.

And they shouldn't be culpable for such a bizarre, statistically unlikely accident.

walshb

phantom_lord wrote: »

lol

laughs. Well, I'm glad you find deaths of young children funny?:rolleyes:

walshb

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

Kids will do stupid things: FACT
It is what we did and it is what all kids do. But you need to let them make their own mistakes. Ok, a child dying is very bad but that is 1 child in 1,000,000,000. But scraped knees and bumps on the head growing up is what needs to happen. If you shelter your child from all germs and all danger they will grow up to be little pussies (couldnt think of a better way to put it).

That's all part of growing up; children fall over, bang their knees and heads etc when
growing up; but it's not at all like leaving your child alone for a period of time and where anything can happen.

Genghiz Cohen

This thread is a Whirlpool of discussion. It's sad when a kiddie revolution ends in tragety but the truth will come out in the wash.

walshb

MagicMarker wrote: »

Err, it sounds like she was in the next room ffs!

What; what use is that. She might as well have been out of the bloody
country. The child is dead and is dead because the parent did not protect her. Because she wasn't there to protect her. She didn't know what her
child was doing. That is alarming!

The child was left alone to climb into a machine while her 15 month
old brother then turned on the machine.

Hey, it didn't have to be a washing machine that killed her.

BnA

S.I.R wrote: »

jasus, did she hitthe turbo spin too ??


its weird how lifes can be washed away like that :eek:

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

I heard a rumour the brother has been hard on the booze lately and that he pushed her in*


*Source

Law & Order SVU

Mingey wrote: »

Ah well. At least she'll be nice and clean.

Sad story though. I could imagine something like this happening quite easily.

The_Minister wrote: »

The parents will probably have to hire a PR consultant to put a good spin on this.

Hopefully their reputations come out clean.

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

This thread is a Whirlpool of discussion. It's sad when a kiddie revolution ends in tragety but the truth will come out in the wash.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

There is nothing funny about any child's death.

stovelid

walshb wrote: »

Stove, I agree that it's not humanly possible; but this case was a little extreme don't you think, and I can safely say that I never left my child alone for more than say 30 seconds. The time I did take my eye off her, the fall happened. That's my point.

It was about 25 secs she was out of my sight, climbed up a few stairs and fell down.
That's how long it took!

This reported case is different and a whole lot different than taking you eye of your child for a second to maybe fetch a bottle from the fridge or tie you shoe lace

Fair enough if she left them alone for extended periods of time, but the story is quite short on detail. She may have been satisfied that the room was perfectly child-safe, and was occupied for 2-3 minutes. It's an awful, but highly unlikely thing to happen.

If she was, say, upstairs for ages leaving the kids downstairs: fair enough; if it was just a minor lapse of concentration for 2-3 minutes, it's hardly worth apportioning blame. The mother could have been dog-tired, and lost concentration for a minute or two. As a parent, you know how exhausting full-time child care is.

Perspective is needed here. There are really negligent parents out there, and it's easy to point the finger.

Cathmandooo

walshb wrote: »

Stove, I agree that it's not humanly possible; but this case was a little extreme don't you think, and I can safely say that I never left my child alone for more than say 30 seconds. The time I did take my eye off her, the fall happened. That's my point.

It was about 25 secs she was out of my sight, climbed up a few stairs and fell down.
That's how long it took!

This reported case is different and a whole lot different than taking you eye of your child for a second to maybe fetch a bottle from the fridge or tie your shoe lace

Sorry but do you never even go to the toilet for longer than 30 seconds when minding your kids? You can't possibly watch them 24 hours a day. You do your best to make their environment as safe as possible but accidents happen. If this report is how it happened then it's a terrible tragedy but no fault on the parents..

Fad

FebruaryFuhrer wrote: »

Just attempting to provoke a discussion.

In After Hours?

HAH

tba

BnA wrote: »

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

There is nothing funny about any child's death.

True, but all those puns were hilarious.

MagicMarker

walshb wrote: »

Ok, lets get this straight. Leaving young children alone is no bother?

Is that what you are saying?

My point is that real danger can happen in doing so; and yes, there are times where young children are left alone for very short periods of time; I am not denying that. My point is that is is bad and can lead to tragedy.

Did you see nothing wrong with Maddie being left alone in an apartment with two younger
children?
And were did I say my child fell from the TOP of the stairs?

You don't know the exact circumstance, so why state it as fact?

Also, if you bothered to read the report you would know the parents were nowhere to
be seen. It took time for this tragedy to happen. They weren't even close to
preventing it. Both children were ALONE!

I'm not disputing that it can be dangerous to leave children alone.

I'm disputing that in THIS case it was neglect, that you seem to be insinuating. The women was gone for two minutes, she may have been taking a dump ffs, do you bring your child with you when you take a dump.

You say you've never left your child alone for more than 30 seconds? How long exactly does it take for a child to seriously injure themselves?

My point is, you can never have your eye on them for every second, even you can't dispute that? And you can't dispute anything can happen in those few seconds, it doesn't make it the parent's fault.

murfie

I wouldn't put blame on the parents, its the washing machine design I blame. How could you sell a product that a 15 month can switch on! The controls should have been either out of reach or had some sort of child lock. You can see it on a good few models now.

gamblitis

I think washine machine manufacturers are looking for a boost in sales drawing to attention to the fact that you can fit a whole kid inside!That would be loads of clothes!!

I blame the recession!

MagicMarker

walshb wrote: »

How log does it take for a child to injure itself?

Is that a scientific answer? It can take as little or as long
as you think. I my case, it took 25 secs.

Well done, you're an awful parent, apparently.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

You are over protective Walsh, which is fine for a while. I don't think you will be doing this all their lives, I hope not for their sake.

Anyway, leaving your kids alone is perfectly fine. Do you watch your children play at ever second in every day? When they go "missing" do you panic?

Leaving children alone for a long period of time is not a good idea, leaving your children around dangerous objects, machinery or chemicals is obviously a bad idea.

Walsh, your views are.. well.. nutty... She may have been out of the country? The child's four. I doubt you have children. I seriously doubt it. Saying so just so people don't bash you.

If anybody here who has ever cared for a young child can genuinely say they've never let them out of their sight (in the house...)

I would say they are lying. Never left your child alone for more than 30 seconds? You are a liar... Simple as. Watching your children sleep is extreme. A bit freaky I might add.

c - 13

Well even if the parent had seen the child it might have been a nightmare to try get the door open. Nearly all washing machines are designed to stay closed as the water slowly drains out of them taking maybe 1 Minute +

The glass in the front panel woudl also be relatively difficult the break and the door design in most is quite difficult to prise open.

Chances are if she had seen the kid in there she may not have been able to get her out in time anyway.

walshb

Cassius Low Lice wrote: »

You are over protective Walsh, which is fine for a while. I don't think you will be doing this all their lives, I hope not for their sake.

Anyway, leaving your kids alone is perfectly fine. Do you watch your children play at ever second in every day? When they go "missing" do you panic?

Leaving children alone for a long period of time is not a good idea, leaving your children around dangerous objects, machinery or chemicals is obviously a bad idea.

Walsh, your views are.. well.. nutty... She may have been out of the country? The child's four. I doubt you have children. I seriously doubt it. Saying so just so people don't bash you.



I would say they are lying. Never left your child alone for more than 30 seconds? You are a liar... Simple as. Watching your children sleep is extreme. A bit freaky I might add.

And this parent left her child alone around machinery. :rolleyes:

Holy sh1t!

I don't expect parents to sleep in with their children as well; I know at times
they will be alone; but when they are alert/awake and active, aged 15 months, alone is not a good
idea, ever!

Get with it. It's not rocket science

walshb

c - 13 wrote: »

"Well even if the parent had seen the child it might have been a nightmare to try get the door open. Nearly all washing machines are designed to stay closed as the water slowly drains out of them taking maybe 1 Minute +

The glass in the front panel woudl also be relatively difficult the break and the door design in most is quite difficult to prise open."

Chances are if she had seen the kid in there she may not have been able to get her out in time anyway.[/QU




And how about the childs chances of getting in and the brother switching on the machine
while they were in view. Do you think that may make a difference?:rolleyes:

MagicMarker

walshb wrote: »

And this parent left her child alone around machinery. :rolleyes:

Holy sh1t!

You're just trolling now man.

javaboy

How many people here could have conceivably climbed into a washing machine without their parents' knowledge and stay there undiscovered for a couple of minutes when they were that age?

I know I definitely could have and I wouldn't consider my parents neglectful in any way.

walshb

MagicMarker wrote: »

You're just trolling now man.

Trolling because I believe that young children left alone and unsupervised is not a good idea?

Yeah, so be it then!:rolleyes:

Good counter argument:rolleyes:

walshb

javaboy wrote: »

How many people here could have conceivably climbed into a washing machine without their parents' knowledge and stay there undiscovered for a couple of minutes when they were that age?

I know I definitely could have and I wouldn't consider my parents neglectful in any way.

It happens. What's your point?

The point is that it would not happen if the parents were watching their children.

As a matter of interest; does anyone believe the McCanns were not wrong in what
they did with Maddie?

c - 13

walshb wrote: »

And how about the childs chances of getting in and the brother switching on the machine
while they were in view. Do you think that may make a difference?:rolleyes:

You said it yourself man, 25 seconds can make all the difference. Do you think they stood there and discussed it or something first.

4YO - Thinks it would be funny to climb in the washing machine when mammy isn't looking
2YO - Slams door and hits start button

Could easily happen within the 25 second period that you've decided is acceptable ...

c - 13

walshb wrote: »

As a matter of interest; does anyone believe the McCanns were not wrong in what
they did with Maddie?

As to this there is a huge difference in a minute or two and leaving them alone while you piss off for your dinner, huge difference.

No, i'm not a parent myself before someone inevitably asks.

Cathmandooo

walshb wrote: »

It happens. What's your point?

The point is that it would not happen if the parents were watching their children.

As a matter of interest; does anyone believe the McCanns were not wrong in what
they did with Maddie?

Letting a child near an open fire without supervision is very dangerous, it's not the same as a washing machine. No parent can possibly watch their children all day. Do you sit and watch your children sleep? Do you sleep yourself? Do you lock them into cots so they can't harm themselves at night?

CreepingDeath

walshb wrote: »

Trolling because I believe that young children left alone and unsupervised is not a good idea?

Yeah, so be it then!:rolleyes:

Good counter argument:rolleyes:

What should they do when the parent needs a toilet break or to answer the door then ?

What's your solution ? Put big boxing gloves on them permanently so they can't press buttons and turn dials ?

walshb

c - 13 wrote: »

You said it yourself man, 25 seconds can make all the difference. Do you think they stood there and discussed it or something first.

4YO - Thinks it would be funny to climb in the washing machine when mammy isn't looking
2YO - Slams door and hits start button

Could easily happen within the 25 second period that you've decided is acceptable ...

Yes, it could if you were not watching them. My child suffered a dangerous fall
from 25 secs. I am admitting that I made the error, not the child.

Now, leaving a child alone can result in tragedy. To me, this particular case is a little different. 2 mins is the reported time. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was longer; ut again, 2 mins is also enough time for tragedy!

As was the Maddie case different!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

walshb wrote: »

It happens. What's your point?

The point is that it would not happen if the parents were watching their children.

As a matter of interest; does anyone believe the McCanns were not wrong in what
they did with Maddie?

One thing I have noticed about your posts, you post 2 and 3 times in a row. Sure I do it from time to time, not a lot, you do it every page... why?

You are full of ifs buts and maybes... it's a load of rubbish. What if this happened, and that and this again... bla bla bla.

Who cares about Maddie, we have heard enough about that, it's not what we are talking about here. Completely differant situation.

javaboy

walshb wrote: »

It happens. What's your point?

The point is that it would not happen if the parents were watching their children.

You're right. If the parents had been watching them it wouldn't have happened. My point is that just because you could have prevented something happening and you didn't, it doesn't make it your fault. When it comes to young children, yes parents must take responsibility for an awful lot of the things children get up to but some freak incidents just can't be anticipated. No parent can watch their children every second of every day and there is only so much you can do to keep your child safe.

It doesn't make someone a bad parent when something like this happens. It makes them a victim of a cruel unfortunate accident.

As a matter of interest; does anyone believe the McCanns were not wrong in what
they did with Maddie?

Completely different kettle of fish and you know it. There's a world of difference between leaving young children alone in an apartment while you are having a few drinks and leaving a child unsupervised in an adjoining room for 2 minutes.