[Article] Eircom to cut off Music File Sharers ..

neilk32 wrote: »

i think what a lot of people are not realising is it is not the bands that are losing money its the big companies. Bands make their money from playing live shows and if people download there music because of a friends recommendation and go to their shows and they recommend their friend its like a rollover effect. Infact i think it is fair to say that a lot of bands that are big today wouldnt be if all the bandwagon didnt hop on and download their music.

Unfortunately you are taking a very narrow view here. There are many bands who play to very small audiences indeed. Audiences that are getting smaller now by the day because of the recession. The justification for downloading is often that bands can make their money out of live gigs.

But that argument just doesn't cover areas of minority interest where smaller labels existed to cover relatively small but enthusiastic markets and where artists depended on the relatively small number of cd sales to augment their incomes. For example an excellent alt-country magazine called 'No Depression'
closed last year - there were a number of reasons for this and you can read most of them here:

http://idolator.com/358090/no-depression-to-shut-down-after-next-issue
but a couple of the factors were the huge decrease in advertising budgets of the labels (and we are not talking the big labels here) and the simple fact that the specialist music stores which such magazines depended on were closing down. The actual sales of the magazine were holding up.

telemakus wrote: »

I can appreciate that fact! So what im wondering is you think that the UK is wrong in NOT kicking people off the internet? I mean if you really want to get your royalty's!! (which is your entitlement, and im not disputing that)

Kicking people of the Internet, implementing a nationally embarrasing 3 strike logic - is not the way for you to get your royalties!

Thats my point! Not really tinfoil hat material to be honest!! (especially since these people have just agreed to it)

Nationally embarassing? would you please cop yourself on?

I presume you would have no problem then with sharing your internet connection with your neighbours if they found some way into it? Or if a hacker found his way into your pc and shared some of your personal details with himself and a few friends? Or if you come home someday and find your place empty because somebody has taken upon themselves to share your property on a permanent basis.

yoshytoshy wrote: »

It's far easier to have music on file in a pc and call it up as opposed to rooting through hundreds of cds.Unless of course you have a B&O stereo and the pleasure is in the waving the hand:p

I've tried apple and I hate the operation ,the only time online I buy is from a site !K7.COM , some of the stuff is crap but they genuinely try and get people out on label ,with all types of styles.
To be honest I don't really use the pc for music as much as I'd like to ,it was when I bought an apple ipod when things went sour on the pc.

Thanks for the links

Yes it is an interesting change in habits that virtually no one sits and listens to music any more in an active way (as distinct I know from people sitting in cars and sharing their thumping bass with the rest of society). Sales of hi fi have dropped sharply as well.

Hard to believe that no so long ago (relatively speaking anyway) whole families gathered around a radio to listen to important and not so important broadcasts.

http://images.google.ie/images?q=family%20listening%20to%20radio&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

telemakus wrote: »

Well you just defeated your own argument there! The only people it seems intent on fiddling with my internet connection! And stealing my personal details would be IMRO and Eircom!!! And YOUR 100% correct. Its not right! Hence my annoyance!

If you read boing-boing, theregister etc, they describe it as an embarrassment! And it is! So maybe you can email those editors as well, and ask them to cop on also!

Actually tell the British Minister that stopped Britains 3strikes rule, that they need to cop on also!!!

If you had read any of the posts in the thread before now which attempted to explain what has been agreed you would have realised (but then again there are none so blind etc etc) that no one will be 'stealing' your personal details.

You are concerned about some non existent threat to your personal details and you have no concern whatsoever about the personal creations, work and intellectual property of the musicians that you are 'sharing' willy nilly.

FruitLover wrote: »

Along with Amazon, people are buying music from the likes of iTunes, Beatport, etc. When I can buy a new track on mp3 for €2, versus €8 for the same track on vinyl (or €5 for the CD (if it's even available)), it's not hard to see why people buy online instead of in brick-and-mortar shops.

Yes but the two 'legal' ways of accessing music don't make up for the very large gap caused by downloading.

PaulBrewer wrote: »

There's also another element to Illegal Downloading apart from the direct income loss.

If one can't make money from recording then ...... why record?


And even if one does want to record (as a Musical Calling Card for example, effectively what singles are ) then where does one do it?

Basic stuff can be done at home - but for anything complex a studio is needed, but they're closing all the time due to lack of business.

The likely effect of no Album sales will eventually be ...............No Albums.

Classic Rock stations 24/7 anyone? 'Don't stop believin' ..............ad infinitum"

I agree totally - I was trying to make this point earlier in the thread that it is not just about musicians being affected but there are loads of other people in the industry who have given their lives to music and with less and less people wiling to pay for music these people will find their livelihoods threatened thats if they have not already lost their jobs.