Irish people get screwed again....

BaconZombie · 28-01-2009 11:58PM #1

When every other country agreed that this is a very flawed and unworkable idea, Ireland decides to do it anyway.......

In what has been billed as a world first, four music companies and internet server provider Eircom have agreed to work together to end illegal music downloading.

The settlement brought to an end an eight-day trial in which the music companies were suing Eircom as the country's largest internet service provider - over illegal downloading.

The four music companies have agreed to provide Eircom with the IP addresses of internet users detected illegally uploaded or downloading music.

Link to article => http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0128/download.html

Link to Video => http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0128/download_av.html

Edit:

The UK's Intellectual Property minister David Lammy has said the government will not force internet service providers to pursue file sharers.

There had been mounting speculation about government legislation on the issue as the music industry steps up its fight against the pirates.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7854494.stm

projectmayhem · 29-01-2009 12:00AM

Eircom are a joke as it is.

Anyway, am I wrong in thinking that the law here means downloading isn't illegal, just uploading? Now I wouldn't exactly being downloading gigs of stuff anyway, but no doubt half of the population are given the ridiculous prices Irish music retailers slap on CDs.

Ass · 29-01-2009 12:01AM

I'm off the hook. I'm not with Eircom.

Tom65 · 29-01-2009 12:02AM

Can some knowledgeable person tell how Eircom will go about doing this? Will they look for people using torrents, or what sites they've been on? What about albums being downloaded as RAR files from rapidshare or megaupload, rather than "file sharing"?

(Disclaimer: I'm neither an eircom customer, or living in Ireland, so I think I'm outside their jurisdiction)

m83 · 29-01-2009 12:03AM

NTL ftw IMHO

Creamy Goodness · 29-01-2009 12:03AM

Ass Face wrote: »

I'm off the hook. I'm not with Eircom.

if you're with a eircom reseller you aren't off the hook.

i'd imagine they'll go after p2p users first as the majority on not-so techie people use them more than torrents or rapidshare or usenet etc.

tony1kenobi · 29-01-2009 12:03AM

Going by form it'll probably take eircom years to act on it anyway.

Eircom will not disconnect anyone. They find it hard enough to connect in the first place.

projectmayhem · 29-01-2009 12:04AM

Ass Face wrote: »

I'm off the hook. I'm not with Eircom.

Tom65 wrote: »

(Disclaimer: I'm neither an eircom customer, or living in Ireland, so I think I'm outside their jurisdiction)

You're both overlooking the precedent Eircom have now set...

Tom65 · 29-01-2009 12:05AM

projectmayhem wrote: »

You're both overlooking the precedent Eircom have now set...

That's why I said "outside their jurisdiction" (ie, Eircom's) rather than "affected by this decision".

GhostInTheRuins · 29-01-2009 12:05AM

Yeah, I'd like to know just how this would work too. I think it would be difficult to know what exactly people were downloading from sites like rapidshare.

(I don't download music by the way)

BaconZombie · 29-01-2009 12:07AM

They are planning on supply a list of " IP address " to Eircom who will have no access to the so called evidence.

Just look at what illegal methods the RIAA and their unwarranted "army" agents have been doing in the US.

GhostInTheRuins · 29-01-2009 12:11AM

BOFH_139 wrote: »

Just look at what illegal methods the RIAA and their unwarranted "army" agents have been doing in the US.

Care to explain what their illegal methods are?

Tom65 · 29-01-2009 12:12AM

Just reading the Irish Times report, the statement from Eircom & the record companies says the measures are aimed "at ending “the absue of the internet by P2P (peer to peer) copyright infringers”, they said in a statement afterwards".

So maybe they're just going after P2P downloaders for the time being?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 29-01-2009 12:12AM

Em... what about downloading films??? Yikes...!!! :P

minidazzler · 29-01-2009 12:13AM

m83 wrote: »

NTL ftw IMHO

Damn you whippersnappers and your Acronyms....

I'm with UPC, but I don't download anyway, I watch and listen to it on youtube, and megavideo!!

Orizio · 29-01-2009 12:14AM

projectmayhem wrote: »

You're both overlooking the precedent Eircom have now set...

Does it matter? They are fighting a losing battle regardless, and I'm doubtful about Eircom actually being earnest in its pursuit of illegal downloaders. Its bad for business.

BaconZombie · 29-01-2009 12:19AM

Just google "RIAA" "MPAA" or "MediaSentry "

Edit:
I'm to sick to index these but here are some...

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/02/big-win-innocent-riaa-defendant

http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2008/04/mediasentry-violates-massachusetts.html

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/08/15/riaa-has-to-pay-1079.html

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Care to explain what their illegal methods are?

Red Alert · 29-01-2009 02:02AM

Well we elected the government which supports the media companies. Eamonn Ryan is the minister for communications but like the rest of the Green Party he's probably in cahoots with IMRO/IRMA/PRS/whatever. The ISP's should be made what are called 'common carriers', meaning that by law they are not responsible and cannot monitor what is sent over their network, except for network management purposes. Same way they can't disconnect your phone if they don't like what you say on it.

29-01-2009 02:12AM

It'll never; ever happen.

I imagine that when they announce that they (internet providers in general) will be officially banning/ending/fining/whatever people who illegally download music/video a few things will happen:

1. People will go crazy over it, and probably start a ton of rioting/protesting,etc.

2. Internet providers will close down at a rapid pace when customers begin canceling by the bucket load

3. People will find another way around it

4. The government will realise they made a huge mistake and will return to how they were

Besides, how do they know if you're downloading legal or illegal items?

minidazzler · 29-01-2009 03:23AM

What are you a Cockblock??? Irish People need lovin too!!! They just have to pay!!

g5fd6ow0hseima · 29-01-2009 03:28AM

The Irish eager to lick arse on any american ideal

S.I.R · 29-01-2009 07:22AM

whoever uses eircom are stupid, sure they own all the lines in Ireland but there tools...

nice staff but poor quality and internet provisions for the price you pay ( 30 euro for 3 mb broadband !! we're gettin RAPED ! )

littlejp · 29-01-2009 10:52AM

minidazzler wrote: »

I'm with UPC, but I don't download anyway, I watch and listen to it on youtube, and megavideo!!

Is this not illegal too?

Mena · 29-01-2009 10:56AM

Am I missing something here? People are stealing copyrighted material and now the owners of said copywrite want to stop them? And people are complaining? I'm too old for this...

_feedback_ · 29-01-2009 11:07AM

Jaysus, Napster was a great yoke, back in the day.

Jesus Wept · 29-01-2009 11:57AM

saps.

Gone Drinking · 29-01-2009 12:03PM

Back to taping songs off the radio, sweet!

EKRIUQ · 29-01-2009 12:16PM

How are they going to prove this, in the UK record companies went after individuals and brought some people to court and it was proven that these people were innocent by examining their computers and either their connection was tapped into or their IP address was duplicated. As far as I know you can change your ip address with your provider it’s a little bit techie but it is possible.

Disclaimer: I download things from the world wide web evar!!

Collie D · 29-01-2009 12:21PM

Mena wrote: »

Am I missing something here? People are stealing copyrighted material and now the owners of said copywrite want to stop them? And people are complaining?(

My thoughts exactly.

When I read the thread title I thought there'd been a massive tax hike/pay cut that I hadn't heard about.

ScumLord · 29-01-2009 12:43PM

What happened to the sharing is good for rock stars defense. Poor show by Eircom, just as they where gaining a little bit of respect they throw it out the window.

Dragan · 29-01-2009 12:52PM

So Eircom crumble under pressure, who would have thought it!!!!

I can see this going the way of AOL anyway and it'll come out that 40% of eircoms "customers" don't actually exist.

Irish people get screwed again....

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