Guantanamo bay

jill_valentine · 27-01-2009 02:45AM

Maybe the embargo extends to exporting problems too though Duiske?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 27-01-2009 03:00AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

My golden ass.

Plenty of jackass terrorists in there .

Punters who thought it was "cool" to piss of from the east Midlands of England and fight for the "cause".

Different story when Uncle Sam cocked an Uzi behind their lugholes.

I didn't campaign for it's closure pal

Have you got any links to back up your claim that there are plenty of terrorists in there? If your making crap up then stop posting.

No you may not have, nor did I, but the government that represents the people of Ireland did... We did campaign for it, simple as wether you personally did or did not.

I don't see why they cannot be given American passports. Those that are innocent should be given the passports. Wasn't there talk of all detainees been given fair trials?

What have people got with innocent people seeking asylum here? These people have a right to life too.

What I cannot understand is why they cannot go home and why they cannot stay in America?

It's pretty lame that America is stating that they cannot guarantee their safety. That is bullsh!t. They should guarantee it and make sure these people are safe.

lostexpectation · 27-01-2009 03:11AM

maybe i should start and another poll

should we let kidnappers, murderers and torturers free reign to come and go via ireland?

yes
no

jill_valentine · 27-01-2009 03:13AM

lostexpectation wrote: »

maybe i should start and another poll

should we let kidnappers, murderers and torturers free reign to come and go via ireland?

Yeah, maybe you should start another poll.

Because that question has nothing to do with this one.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 27-01-2009 03:15AM

lostexpectation wrote: »

maybe i should start and another poll

should we let kidnappers, murderers and torturers free reign to come and go via ireland?

yes
no

Oh? You know they are all guilty then? Link? No? Thought so.

Let the guilty rot in prison. Do not tar them all with the same brush.

lostexpectation · 27-01-2009 03:17AM

big prize for whom im talking about.

javaboy · 27-01-2009 03:18AM

lostexpectation wrote: »

big prize for whom im talking about.

Is it the US via Shannon by any chance? :rolleyes:

twinytwo · 27-01-2009 10:05AM

tallaght01 wrote: »

Obama couldn't get assurances from their native countries that they'll be safe. They won't be treated well in America.

We campaigned for it's closure, so I guess we have some obligation to help out now.

If someone is innocent, and it's not safe for them to go home, and they can't stay in the states, then we should take them.

We spend enough time complaining about bogus asylum seekers, so we should embrace the opportunity to house people who will genuinely suffer persecution back in their home country.

Im sorry now right.. america took them from theri country so let america look after them... why dont we embrace the irish people of this country who need help??????? why does it always have to be people from other countries

Nodin · 27-01-2009 10:11AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

My golden ass.

Plenty of jackass terrorists in there .

Punters who thought it was "cool" to piss of from the east Midlands of England and fight for the "cause".

Different story when Uncle Sam cocked an Uzi behind their lugholes.

How many, exactly?

Perfect choice wrote:

As far as i'm concerned, it's America's mess, leave it to them to sort it out

Jaysus forbid the country act like its got a pair for once....

Dyr · 27-01-2009 10:12AM

I say we give all these poor bastards irish passports, so long as they agree to work in our brand new gitmo re-enactment-interpretative centre, sure to be a money spinner with the tourists..just look at auschwitz.

Or we could let them man the security gates at dublin airport for flights from the US.."soo..you're from texas eh?, just step into this room please sir...":pac:

twinytwo · 27-01-2009 10:14AM

Sofia Shy Yak wrote: »

Have you got any links to back up your claim that there are plenty of terrorists in there? If your making crap up then stop posting.

No you may not have, nor did I, but the government that represents the people of Ireland did... We did campaign for it, simple as wether you personally did or did not.

I don't see why they cannot be given American passports. Those that are innocent should be given the passports. Wasn't there talk of all detainees been given fair trials?

What have people got with innocent people seeking asylum here? These people have a right to life too.

What I cannot understand is why they cannot go home and why they cannot stay in America?

It's pretty lame that America is stating that they cannot guarantee their safety. That is bullsh!t. They should guarantee it and make sure these people are safe.

Oh now come on... as far as im aware international law says one must seek asylum in the first country that they enter.. Last time i checked there was no direct flights from say any african country to here... the french let them into france just so long as they keep going out the other side... And without doubt that the ones that are here are the ones that didnt really need asylum in the first place.

Yes they have a right to live but they do not have a right to come here and leach off the government as so many of them do (not all). They take the piss out of our social welfare system.. while an ordinary joe soap trying to make ends meet dont get half the assistance that the asylum seekers get. While im all for help people i think this country has done enough. Let america look after them. Why should we clean up their mess.

FlutterinBantam · 27-01-2009 10:14AM

Sofia Shy Yak wrote: »

Have you got any links to back up your claim that there are plenty of terrorists in there? If your making crap up then stop posting.

No you may not have, nor did I, but the government that represents the people of Ireland did... We did campaign for it, simple as wether you personally did or did not.

I don't see why they cannot be given American passports. Those that are innocent should be given the passports. Wasn't there talk of all detainees been given fair trials?

What have people got with innocent people seeking asylum here? These people have a right to life too.

What I cannot understand is why they cannot go home and why they cannot stay in America?

It's pretty lame that America is stating that they cannot guarantee their safety. That is bullsh!t. They should guarantee it and make sure these people are safe.

I havn't got any links to state the people in Mountjoy prison are all criminals either.
Desperate times demand desperate measures and the sooner pinko left wing ers begin to realise that there is a coterie of evil people out there who have no problem blowing plane loads of INNOCENT people out of the skies, destroying western civilisation and wreaking havoc on us,yes ,you and me,the sooner we will begin to accept that this war cannot be fought by conventional means and some people will get caught in the crossfire.

Wake up and realise we should be glad someone has the balls to take these people on.

jill_valentine · 27-01-2009 10:50AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I havn't got any links to state the people in Mountjoy prison are all criminals either.
Desperate times demand desperate measures and the sooner pinko left wing ers begin to realise that there is a coterie of evil people out there who have no problem blowing plane loads of INNOCENT people out of the skies, destroying western civilisation and wreaking havoc on us,yes ,you and me,the sooner we will begin to accept that this war cannot be fought by conventional means and some people will get caught in the crossfire.

Wake up and realise we should be glad someone has the balls to take these people on.

Yeah, blah blah blah, it's a good thing you're here to save us from the terrorists, because we don't actually understand that people die from terrorism. :rolleyes:

Tell you what - we put them all on trial - an astonishingly novel concept - and when loads of them aren't convicted of anything because they're freaking taxi drivers who were shopped for the bounty money, we can just take those guys. They can come here and leach off the state just like all the Irish people who do it.

I have absolutely no confidence in America's capacity to end the "war on terror". Thus far, they've only proved very good at generating new enemies. All the balls in the world won't do the same job as half a brain.

FlutterinBantam · 27-01-2009 10:59AM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Yeah, blah blah blah, it's a good thing you're here to save us from the terrorists, because we don't actually understand that people die from terrorism. :rolleyes:

Tell you what - we put them all on trial - an astonishingly novel concept - and when loads of them aren't convicted of anything because they're freaking taxi drivers who were shopped for the bounty money, we can just take those guys. They can come here and leach off the state just like all the Irish people who do it.

I have absolutely no confidence in America's capacity to end the "war on terror". Thus far, they've only proved very good at generating new enemies. All the balls in the world won't do the same job as half a brain.

have you got any links to back that up;)

I don't have too much confidence in the USs ability to end the war on terror either,but at least they are putting their forces in harms way to ensure you and I, Jill, are safer when we travel on airlines and the London and Madrid trains.

The poor innocents who were slaughtered in those atrocities didn't get much of a trial did they??

Nodin · 27-01-2009 11:03AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I havn't got any links to state the people in Mountjoy prison are all criminals either.
Desperate times demand desperate measures and the sooner pinko left wing ers begin to realise that there is a coterie of evil people out there who have no problem blowing plane loads of INNOCENT people out of the skies, destroying western civilisation and wreaking havoc on us,yes ,you and me,the sooner we will begin to accept that this war cannot be fought by conventional means and some people will get caught in the crossfire..

O NOES!!!!! TEh MuslimZ iz comin!!!!!

So, because of exaggerated fear mongering on behalf of a now thankfully defunct US admistration, we should screw over whoever they deem an "enemy" regardless of the fact that enemy may be a 15 year old goat herder that was handed over for 2000 USD.

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Wake up and realise we should be glad someone has the balls to take these people on.

Thats the US...bravely taking on the third world and freeing it of its resources.

twinytwo wrote:

while an ordinary joe soap trying to make ends meet dont get half the assistance that the asylum seekers get..

How much cash does an asylum seeker get per week, roughly?

FlutterinBantam · 27-01-2009 11:05AM

Nodin wrote: »

O NOES!!!!! TEh MuslimZ iz comin!!!!!

TCN

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jill_valentine · 27-01-2009 11:07AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

have you got any links to back that up;)

I don't have too much confidence in the USs ability to end the war on terror either,but at least they are putting their forces in harms way to ensure you and I, Jill, are safer when we travel on airlines and the London and Madrid trains.

The poor innocents who were slaughtered in those atrocities didn't get much of a trial did they??

And won't somebody please think of the children?

I'm well aware of the consequences of terrorism and warfare. However, on balance, I don't think the risk posed by taking these people in outweighs the gains.

Besides, we've plenty of practice living with terrorists in this country, it doesn't seem to bother us when they've got a charming Northern lilt to their accents.

D-Generate · 27-01-2009 11:39AM

It was a disgrace when the government took in those Palestinian terrorists wanted for the murder of an Israeli soldier and now they are wanting to take in more rubbish. **** that ****, America's problem and most certainly not ours. Although I wouldn't mind taking in their detainees if they didn't mind taking in the IRA and UVF scum of Norn Ireland.

Mark200 · 27-01-2009 11:48AM

EOA_Mushy wrote: »

What if they are not innocent?

Someone is innocent unless you can prove otherwise.

twinytwo · 27-01-2009 12:05PM

Nodin wrote: »

O NOES!!!!! TEh MuslimZ iz comin!!!!!

So, because of exaggerated fear mongering on behalf of a now thankfully defunct US admistration, we should screw over whoever they deem an "enemy" regardless of the fact that enemy may be a 15 year old goat herder that was handed over for 2000 USD.

Thats the US...bravely taking on the third world and freeing it of its resources.

How much cash does an asylum seeker get per week, roughly?[/quote]

Lets see.. free house(get put on top of housing list even though there are irish families waiting on it for months or years), free car, dont have to pay insurance health or otherwise, no school fees, get child benefit, get it for kids that arnt even in the country,free child care... get places even if there is a waiting list get all different kinds of allowances because they make more by not working.. hell can even drive without tax,insurance or NCT but the gards cant say or do anything because they are "racist" if they do. If you want to help these people so much why not bugger off to nigeria or whatever where they really need your help ?

jill_valentine · 27-01-2009 12:14PM

twinytwo wrote: »

Lets see.. free house(get put on top of housing list even though there are irish families waiting on it for months or years), free car, dont have to pay insurance health or otherwise, no school fees, get child benefit, get it for kids that arnt even in the country,free child care... get places even if there is a waiting list get all different kinds of allowances because they make more by not working.. hell can even drive without tax,insurance or NCT but the gards cant say or do anything because they are "racist" if they do. If you want to help these people so much why not bugger off to nigeria or whatever where they really need your help ?

Not to mention all the cigars, fur coats, crowns and massages they get.

Oh here, we go, midweek morning pub talk. You even got the Free Car chestnut again, I love that one. I'm going to devise a drinking game around it...

Nodin · 27-01-2009 12:23PM

twinytwo wrote: »

Lets see.. free house(get put on top of housing list even though there are irish families waiting on it for months or years),?

They don't go on public housing lists until they're granted asylum.

twinytwo wrote: »

free car,

A myth. Unless of course you can amaze us all with proof.

twinytwo wrote: »

get child benefit,,

9/10 Euro a week. The adults get around 20. Massive bucks there.

twinytwo wrote: »

get places even if there is a waiting list get all different kinds of allowances because they make more by not working.. ,,

Yeah, a whole 20 Euro a week....imagine what ye could with that.

twinytwo wrote: »

. If you want to help these people so much why not bugger off to nigeria or whatever where they really need your help ?

I'd return the compliment, but can't think of a destination that deserves to have that level of ignorance inflicted on it.

Nodin · 27-01-2009 12:25PM

D-Generate wrote: »

It was a disgrace when the government took in those Palestinian terrorists wanted for the murder of an Israeli soldier

Like those Evil Americans taking in that DeValera chap.....Boo to them!!!! Why didn't they stick those Fenians in Guantanamo, if they're that smart....

ScumLord · 27-01-2009 12:33PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I havn't got any links to state the people in Mountjoy prison are all criminals either.
Desperate times demand desperate measures and the sooner pinko left wing ers begin to realise that there is a coterie of evil people out there who have no problem blowing plane loads of INNOCENT people out of the skies, destroying western civilisation and wreaking havoc on us,yes ,you and me,the sooner we will begin to accept that this war cannot be fought by conventional means and some people will get caught in the crossfire.

Wake up and realise we should be glad someone has the balls to take these people on.

What desperate times? This is nonsense, I can't believe the American propagande machine infected you from all the way over there.

The only reason theres a war with the Muslim world is because the American military/government provoked it. Even if there are guilty people in Guantanamo what are they guilty of? Fighting a war. There's little or no difference between a Muslim killing an American and an American killing a Muslim for whatever reason. The only difference is the Muslims are desperate and out gunned.

el_tiddlero · 27-01-2009 12:45PM

Let em in..

as a NEUTRAL country we represent a safe haven for anyone displaced by war, much like Steve McQueen tried so desperately to get into switzerland in the great escape..

also, we're a decent, welcoming people and should open our arms to those poor wretches who have spent the last number of years being subjected to god knows what.

Is anyone really afraid that they'll blow us all up?? Really??

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 27-01-2009 02:29PM

Mark200 wrote: »

Someone is innocent unless you can prove otherwise.

Unfortunately this is not the case in the military. This is not the case for the people in Guantanomo bay. It's much like the "terrorists" in the IRA being imprisoned by the brits for acts of "terrorism". For crying out loud, something that should be so familiar to us is alien to most of you. (I am not talking about the provos, or the retards killing innocents up north, I am referring to the real IRA that fought for a real cause.)

I was watching fox news the other day, someone linked me a clip. The news reporter said something like this "Gaza, why you should care" that was the heading of the report, she then went on to say "There's a big oil pipeline there" like WTF? Shouldn't we care for our fellow human beings getting ripped to peices? No, not at all, let them die so we can fuel our oversized engines.

The bush administration was full of rubbish propaganda. Hopefully Obama will not follow suit. He has started on the right foot by recognising Guantanomo bay and being a mistake. Fair play to him

FlutterinBantam · 27-01-2009 04:12PM

I'm quite sure the ladies of Afghanistan who were under Taliban control, not allowed to go school,kept indoors might disagree with you.;)

wes · 27-01-2009 04:23PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I'm quite sure the ladies of Afghanistan who were under Taliban control, not allowed to go school,kept indoors might disagree with you.;)

Go to Afghanistan and have a chat with them. I think you will find there not much better off under the war loards running the show right now.

Then there are the war Widows, who have nothing. There not better off at all.

Nodin · 27-01-2009 04:28PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I'm quite sure the ladies of Afghanistan who were under Taliban control, not allowed to go school,kept indoors might disagree with you.;)

Not all the detainees are from Afghanistan. The ones from there are not neccessarily associated with the Taleban.

Are you implying that if we took one or two individuals from Afghanistan in, they would be able to impose a Taleban like control of the country? How would they carry this out, all two of them?

walshb · 27-01-2009 04:28PM

tallaght01 wrote: »

Obama couldn't get assurances from their native countries that they'll be safe. They won't be treated well in America.

We campaigned for it's closure, so I guess we have some obligation to help out now.

If someone is innocent, and it's not safe for them to go home, and they can't stay in the states, then we should take them.

We spend enough time complaining about bogus asylum seekers, so we should embrace the opportunity to house people who will genuinely suffer persecution back in their home country.

Your views scare me mate!

America imprisons these possible infidels and terrorists; not all; and we then are supposed to put them up and care for them and house them etc etc. Do you have any clue what sort
of troubles we face here already trying to bloody house and feed and look after our own people, without importing more; some of whom are going to be extremely mentally unstable and IMO, a possible threat to society!

I have a sneaky feeling you live in a castle on a hill and have a butler and
a chauffeur and everything else; because your views here are not in touch with reality!

Guantanamo bay

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