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Poll on garage charges

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  • #32
    Owen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,678 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    LoceDucati2, where are you getting your facts from. I'm very curious to know. You've told me that my statement that DHL and An Post don't discount to Dealers is rubbish. Yet I do work in the Trade, and I can state that with 100% accuracy.

    You're on here with an arrogance which is fair enough, we all have our opinions - but if you're going to state something, you need to be prepared to back it up with facts.

    Garages (Or any other business) making profit on parts is not illegal, and you need to realise that, AND change your poll.


  • #33
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    Dob74 wrote: »
    Its one area of the economy where the consumer gets raped. 300 euros for a basic service is just crazy. Thats on the cheap end. I am glad to see all these garages hurting, they have been ripping us off for too long.

    Try running a garage, it is nearly impossible to make money at it. There is a problem with costs in this economy that makes any small business start-up hugely difficult.


  • #34
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    With your obvious talent in designing polls, you should apply for a job in Zimbabwe managing elections over there. I hear Robert Mugabe is looking for someone with your abilities...


  • #35
    LoveDucati2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 378 ✭✭LoveDucati2


    Jonny303 wrote: »
    ive re-read this again and i just cant get my head around the argument.

    ok maybe you are a bit slow :D
    Jonny303 wrote: »
    ducati - what do you work as? do you work for a non profit making orginisation? i doubt it somehow

    banker
    Jonny303 wrote: »
    garges are not "fitters, bysupplying parts they supply a service, and make money off of it. simple economics

    Agreed, the argument here is 77 quid profit for just ordering a 300 quid clutch is morally wrong, thats all
    Jonny303 wrote: »
    do you think builders building your extension charge you for blocks at the same price they pay?

    anyone using a builder in this country would be mad not to use a quantity surveyor, of course you would have a full breakdown of all costs in advance. thats a rant for another day
    Darragh29 wrote: »
    You are not dealing with the questions above that I'm putting to you.

    My rule of thumb on the acquisition of parts is this, as far as costs are concerned. If I had to send a taxi up to a supplier to get a part, wait around to get served (could be 10 minutes if not more if supplier is really busy, taxi meter still running by the way), this is the benchmark cost to me of getting those parts from my supplier into my garage and under your car.

    If I was to send a taxi up to get those parts, there would be over 5 Euro on the meter just to get the taxi at my business outlet, he hasn't even started the job yet! If I commit to you that I will have your car ready for 6PM/close of business today, I have to take full ownership of that process and get the parts into my business in good time. If I'm waiting around for a supplier to deliver parts and I'm somewhere on a list with other people, then I'm possibly going to be telling you at 6PM that your parts didn't arrive and the car won't be ready until tomorrow, at which point you will be demanding a hire car paid for my me! I have to provide a car and pay someone getting paid anywhere up to 15-20 Euro an hour to manage the task of getting the correct replacement parts under your car.

    By the way I might add, when that mechanic is out running around for parts, you don't see the 30-60 minute activity (if everything goes smoothly and the suppler has ordered in the correct part for me and there are many times that this is not the case), appearing on your invoice.

    now you are just being ridiculous, I am positive many people have gone to pick their cars up and being told "sorry mate part wont be in until tomorrow" ie f off, come back then


  • #36
    LoveDucati2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 378 ✭✭LoveDucati2


    Darragh29 wrote: »
    With your obvious talent in designing polls, you should apply for a job in Zimbabwe managing elections over there. I hear Robert Mugabe is looking for someone with your abilities...

    Excellent, and with your ability to overcharge on parts we'd make a great team.


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  • #37
    LoveDucati2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 378 ✭✭LoveDucati2


    ned78 wrote: »
    LoceDucati2, where are you getting your facts from. I'm very curious to know. You've told me that my statement that DHL and An Post don't discount to Dealers is rubbish. Yet I do work in the Trade, and I can state that with 100% accuracy.

    You're on here with an arrogance which is fair enough, we all have our opinions - but if you're going to state something, you need to be prepared to back it up with facts.

    Garages (Or any other business) making profit on parts is not illegal, and you need to realise that, AND change your poll.

    I was a mechanic Ned, and a trader, all in the UK though, so probably doesn't count with you lot


  • #38
    Plug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    LoveDucati2 what the hell is your problem? If your so pissed off about it do your services, timing belts and clutches yourself:rolleyes:
    As darragh29 says do you go into a restaurant and ask about the prices of the raw material food and labour? Cos I bet you do, you mean old banker....


  • #39
    Plug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    LoveDucati2 wrote: »
    Excellent, and with your ability to overcharge on parts we'd make a great team.
    :rolleyes: coming from a banker.


  • #40
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    LoveDucati2 wrote: »
    now you are just being ridiculous, I am positive many people have gone to pick their cars up and being told "sorry mate part wont be in until tomorrow" ie f off, come back then

    Maybe in your industry, which I as a taxpayer am currently underwriting and also recapitalising because the whole industry you are working in has failed, it is acceptable to tell a customer to f*ck off and come back tomorrow.

    Again, the facts are, if you could bring yourself to accept them, that if I am to honour commitments made to customers and maintain my credibility as a person who delivers upon commitments made with regard to tasks undertaken, I have to take ownership of the complete process and I can't just sit back and wait for my supplier to drop the parts in at his leisure. If I fail to deliver on a task in terms of quality of product, workmanship or fail to meet an expectation that my customer has of me, I'm immediately in one of the following situations:

    (1) I've lost the customer, who has hit the f*cking roof because now they cannot collect bring kids to/from school tomorrow....

    (2) I've kept the customer but only because I've been forced to discount the job done, or forced to provide a hire car...

    (3) I could be lucky if my customer on this occasion is fully understanding and is no problem, these people are very rare.

    This is what you are dealing with when you run a garage, you don't have this experience so you don't understand this...


  • #41
    Owen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,678 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    I've got one simple question for you LoveDucati2, on what law are you basing the fact that a garage buying a part for one price, and selling it for another is illegal? And you say you're an accountant, so I'd be delighted to hear your answer to this one.


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  • #42
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    ned78 wrote: »
    I've got one simple question for you LoveDucati2, on what law are you basing the fact that a garage buying a part for one price, and selling it for another is illegal? And you say you're an accountant, so I'd be delighted to hear your answer to this one.

    To be honest, I think this whole thread is a troll. I've never heard such illogical or irrational ramblings on this forum before.


  • #43
    LoveDucati2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 378 ✭✭LoveDucati2


    Darragh29 wrote: »
    Maybe in your industry, which I as a taxpayer am currently underwriting and also recapitalising because the whole industry you are working in has failed, it is acceptable to tell a customer to f*ck off and come back tomorrow.

    Again, the facts are, if you could bring yourself to accept them, that if I am to honour commitments made to customers and maintain my credibility as a person who delivers upon commitments made with regard to tasks undertaken, I have to take ownership of the complete process and I can't just sit back and wait for my supplier to drop the parts in at his leisure. If I fail to deliver on a task in terms of quality of product, workmanship or fail to meet an expectation that my customer has of me, I'm immediately in one of the following situations:

    (1) I've lost the customer, who has hit the f*cking roof because now they cannot collect bring kids to/from school tomorrow....

    (2) I've kept the customer but only because I've been forced to discount the job done, or forced to provide a hire car...

    (3) I could be lucky if my customer on this occasion is fully understanding and is no problem, these people are very rare.

    This is what you are dealing with when you run a garage, you don't have this experience so you don't understand this...

    BTW I have run a garage, and many other businesses,

    You sound like one of the very mechaincs or garages who actually cares about the job you do which is why I find it so hard to believe that you are happy to take 25% off the price of parts.


  • #44
    LoveDucati2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 378 ✭✭LoveDucati2


    ned78 wrote: »
    I've got one simple question for you LoveDucati2, on what law are you basing the fact that a garage buying a part for one price, and selling it for another is illegal? And you say you're an accountant, so I'd be delighted to hear your answer to this one.

    YAWN


  • #45
    LoveDucati2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 378 ✭✭LoveDucati2


    Darragh29 wrote: »
    To be honest, I think this whole thread is a troll. I've never heard such illogical or irrational ramblings on this forum before.

    but yet 62% of people voting think 10% or less of a kickback on parts is fair


  • #46
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    LoveDucati2 wrote: »
    BTW I have run a garage, and many other businesses,

    You sound like one of the very mechaincs or garages who actually cares about the job you do which is why I find it so hard to believe that you are happy to take 25% off the price of parts.

    I know for 200% certainty, by virtue of what you are posting here, that you have never ran a garage operation.


  • #47
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    LoveDucati2 wrote: »
    but yet 62% of people voting think 10% or less of a kickback on parts is fair

    Forget your poll, it would put Robert Mugabe to shame, of course a poll with such an obvious tilt against the industry will come back with results that are fully consistent with how you have designed it....


  • #48
    Owen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,678 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    LoveDucati2 wrote: »
    YAWN

    So you can't answer the question I asked you - 'under which law are you claiming that a garage buying a part for one price, and selling it for another is illegal'?

    Everytime someone else delayed answering a question you've been quick to ask again, so I think it only fair you answer this question.


  • #49
    LoveDucati2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 378 ✭✭LoveDucati2


    Darragh29 wrote: »
    I know for 200% certainty, by virtue of what you are posting here, that you have never ran a garage operation.

    Got your crystal ball out then, thats a very stupid thing to say. You have no idea of the experience I have.

    200% certainty, no wonder you get your maths wrong on parts:)
    Darragh29 wrote: »
    Forget your poll, it would put Robert Mugabe to shame, of course a poll with such an obvious tilt against the industry will come back with results that are fully consistent with how you have designed it....

    I thought it was quite fair.


  • #50
    Owen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,678 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    LoveDucati2 wrote: »
    I thought it was quite fair.

    Your poll was fair? Your poll incites people to vote negatively based on the language you used and the method you used to structure the choices. A child could see that. Here's your Poll :


    Should a garage pocket 25% of quote parts prices
    I think they should charge what they want
    Maybe 10% is fairer
    No way, if I knew that I would want reduction in Labour
    It should be Illegal, it is profiteering

    The way you should have worded it to be a fair Poll would be as follows :

    What should a reasonable level of profit for Garages be on parts prices
    Whatever they feel is fair and equitable based on keeping their business operating
    10%
    20%
    I don't agree with garages making profit on parts.

    Yours is anything but fair, and immediately irks people based on no facts whatsoever, but plenty of sensationalism.


  • #51
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    LoveDucati2 wrote: »
    Got your crystal ball out then, thats a very stupid thing to say. You have no idea of the experience I have.

    200% certainty, no wonder you get your maths wrong on parts:)

    Your posts here reflect your experience, or absolute lack thereof.
    LoveDucati2 wrote: »
    I thought it was quite fair.

    That's the very problem here, your general sense of fairness is not grounded in reality...


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  • #52
    LoveDucati2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 378 ✭✭LoveDucati2


    ned78 wrote: »
    So you can't answer the question I asked you - 'under which law are you claiming that a garage buying a part for one price, and selling it for another is illegal'?

    Everytime someone else delayed answering a question you've been quick to ask again, so I think it only fair you answer this question.

    your job is to moderate, it obviously gives you a sense of power, big F*in deal

    you need a moderator,

    I personally think profiteering on parts should be illegal, there must be a tax and VAT implication for the price quoted for parts and the price charged for them.


  • #53
    LoveDucati2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 378 ✭✭LoveDucati2


    ned78 wrote: »
    Your poll was fair? Your poll incites people to vote negatively based on the language you used and the method you used to structure the choices. A child could see that.

    How, either you think a garage should
    charge what it wants,
    10% profit,
    tell the customer the price paid
    or its wrong

    Whats wrong with you, others can vote easily, go and play in your own domain


  • #54
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    LoveDucati2 wrote: »
    your job is to moderate, it obviously gives you a sense of power, big F*in deal

    you need a moderator,

    I personally think profiteering on parts should be illegal, there must be a tax and VAT implication for the price quoted for parts and the price charged for them.

    Oh, I can see a rap on the snot coming along here!


  • #55
    LoveDucati2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 378 ✭✭LoveDucati2


    Darragh29 wrote: »
    Your posts here reflect your experience, or absolute lack thereof.

    Rubbish
    Darragh29 wrote: »
    That's the very problem here, your general sense of fairness is not grounded in reality...

    says the man who would take 77 euro as a kickback on a 300 part, says it all really


  • #56
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    LoveDucati2 wrote: »
    Rubbish



    says the man who would take 77 euro as a kickback on a 300 part, says it all really

    Is the restaurant that is buying your bottle of Carmen Merlot for 7.20 Euro in Musgraves and charging you 28 Euro for it with your steak, also taking a "kickback" as you put it??? Why won't you answer this question???


  • #57
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,789 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    enough of this ...


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