is there an all out gangland war going on?

mountainyman · 21-01-2009 11:24AM

Relevant wrote: »

Even if these guys only kill each other, what about the gardai who have to respond to the calls and investigate the murders? They have no choice in it so is it ok that they have to put themselves in danger?

I don't understand your point.
It is the job of the guards to put themselves in danger. I respect them for it and I despise those guards who won't.

I respect the men who investigate gangland murder. I would be happy enough to let gangsters kill each other.

Wagon · 21-01-2009 11:29AM

tbh wrote: »

eh no. It would dramatically increase the possibility.

Yeah, we call those 'revenge killings'. Such bull****. It'll never end until it escalates to the point that there is one night of holy war in which so many of them die. Or it'll never end, which i think is more likely.

Relevant · 21-01-2009 11:34AM

mountainyman wrote: »

I don't understand your point.
It is the job of the guards to put themselves in danger. I respect them for it and I despise those guards who won't.

I respect the men who investigate gangland murder. I would be happy enough to let gangsters kill each other.

People are condoning gangland war. The more killings that are tolerated the greater danger gardai are in.

ToxicPaddy · 21-01-2009 11:39AM

pebbles21 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0120/coldwinters.html

Shot 6 times in the head, they were making sure he was dead anyway.. :eek:

ben bedlam · 21-01-2009 11:47AM

Let all the gangland scum and filth wipe each other out. They are lowlive degenerates, subhuman trash that are nothing but a drain on our courts and prisons.

Victor · 21-01-2009 11:50AM

mountainyman wrote: »

The mother shouldn't be with a criminal though.

Thats not something a child can control.

mountainyman wrote: »

I don't understand your point. It is the job of the guards to put themselves in danger. I respect them for it and I despise those guards who won't. I respect the men who investigate gangland murder. I would be happy enough to let gangsters kill each other.

Sure, but do you think they and the medical staff like having to deal with these things?

shane86 · 21-01-2009 12:27PM

Shot 6 times in the head, they were making sure he was dead anyway

He was still alive when they got him to hospital :eek: Fcukin hell, he must have been like the Russian Tony and Chris from the Sopranos took to the forest!

After Anne Doyle announced it as the fourth murder of the year already, it showed the scene, including a signpost to a place called Kilshane.

Thats an omen, I cant get out to Oz fast enough :pac:

az2wp0sye65487 · 21-01-2009 12:28PM

I have abolutely no sympathy for any of the scum who are involved in criminal activities, and get killed for it.

However, there are always people affected by these killings on a wider scale who may not have had any involvement in any wrong-doing. Not to mention cases of mistaken identity etc. where innocent people are murdered.

I'm starting to get more worried about public safety seeing as how these scumbags don't seem to have any regard for anyone's life. They wouldn't hesitate in turning their gun on any of us for the slightest thing.

I'm also starting to worry for my own personal safety, as last night I was stopped by Gardaí (albeit at a checkpoint near this shooting) and quizzed before being let on my way. This has happened on other occasions in the past when there have been murders etc. in a certain area. I was 'stopped' by a passing Garda car so they could get a better look at me before saying 'no; wrong person' and driving off.

What I'm getting at is if the Gardaí can mistake me for one of these scrotes then whats to say I won't be the next person who is supposidly "in the wrong place at the wrong time" and mistaken for one of the scumbags involved in a fued etc. When I mentioned being stopped to colleagues they said: "Ah sure they probably thought you were ******, you do look a bit like him!"

Snowie · 21-01-2009 12:33PM

i think they should leave them at it and the last guy to be alive gos to jail

CPT. SURF · 21-01-2009 09:12PM

You know it crumbles that way
least thats what they say when you play the game
but God forbid you ever had to wake up to hear the news
then you really might know whats it like to have to lose

Yeah then you really might know whats its like

rossie1977 · 21-01-2009 09:25PM

Kiera wrote: »

Hopefully no innocent people get shot and they all just shoot each other. No loss tbh.....

all shoot each other?? that will never happen, they are like weeds, for every one you pluck 5 will rise in its place

Kiera · 22-01-2009 11:01AM

rossie1977 wrote: »

all shoot each other?? that will never happen, they are like weeds, for every one you pluck 5 will rise in its place

Well one can only hope, Rossie.

Victor: What about the families of the people they are killing with their drugs? I honestly couldnt careless about these guys killing each other.

greatness is me · 22-01-2009 11:10AM

haha yes ther is a war.. so lets all go get guns and kill brian cowell and take over the goverment

metallidude · 22-01-2009 11:14AM

By irish standards.. yes, maybe. But for me, no there isn't really anything.. The number of people getting shot at is still very low.

Relevant · 22-01-2009 11:18AM

greatness is me wrote: »

haha yes ther is a war.. so lets all go get guns and kill brian cowell and take over the goverment

What did Brian Cowell ever do to you? I'm sure his death wouldn't have much of an impact on the government

Brian Cowell

SAVE_ME.222 · 22-01-2009 01:13PM

The funniest thing about these gangland killings is when adrian kennedy talks about them on his show:

"Ahh jayzziz adrian, he was a lovely youngfella, never bleedin did anythin on anyone"

... apart from the 22 convictions for serious assault, aggravated burglary, etc.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 22-01-2009 01:52PM

TheNog wrote: »

"If you saw a murder and could identify the culprit, would you stand up in court and give evidence if you and your family have been threatened?"

Tbh if I witnessed a gangland figure being murdered there's not a snowballs chance in hell I'd expose myself and my family to danger by going witness.

I think its also got the stage where anyone in Dublin or Limerick could potentially be a witness to a gangland murder on any given day.

And while I except that its an almost impossible task for the GS to put these animals away I would advocate Army and Garda search teams randoming moving into and locking down whole area's where not a single person or vehicle moves without a complete search for drugs and/or weapons.

Nehaxak · 22-01-2009 05:31PM

Mairt wrote: »

And while I except that its an almost impossible task for the GS to put these animals away I would advocate Army and Garda search teams randoming moving into and locking down whole area's where not a single person or vehicle moves without a complete search for drugs and/or weapons.

Doesn't work. Already been done in Ballymun (no army but massive teams of armed Gardai). All it ended up doing was piss everyone off that had nothing to do with gangs, drugs or otherwise.
They (the Garda) tried to do similar back in the 80's in Ballybrack and Monkstown farm - didn't work then either, only ended up with gangs of people surrounding cops and egging them on to start shooting, was a complete farce.

The Gardai don't need support from the army, they need resources from the government and support also for those in the communities effected by any part of it all.

A lot of the gangland killings are targetted and not random drive-by LA style crap so some people in the media and elsewhere need to calm themselves down a bit. The Gardai know who is responsible and know everyone involved but they can't be everywhere all the time and that is where resources and support for them from the government comes in to help that.

The defense forces efforts in all of this would be better spent patroling our coasts for inward drug shipments (not fishermen trying to make a living) and at our ports et all backing up customs teams to stop the drugs coming in to the country in the first place. That and possibly backing up Garda on high profile drugs raids on high profile drug dealers, not shoving a gun in the face of some teenager selling a ten spot on a street corner.

uprising · 24-01-2009 04:26PM

pebbles21 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0120/coldwinters.html

another one shot dead this evening after 3 last night and countless others in the last few weeks

The media reports that people read are 30%-50% correct, I know this for a fact, I live in the so called murder triangle in Finglas and personally knew all or most of the people who have been murdered here in the past few years including the latest, I'm not into anything like they were alleged to have been involved in whatsoever, I simply grew up with them and knew them from school, being neighbours, hanging around with them when i was younger etc. The so called "DON" gets dragged into every murder that happens in dublin, the papers like to add fiction to fact, weather its deliberate or just being mis-informed from their sources I dont know?.
I believe the latest victim was killed in revenge for a murder in a Finglas pub a few months ago or its possible it was his new buddies that wanted more of the cake, actually there was a rumor that the body found near the airport the week before was his, it turned out to be false, but a week later it came true.
Finglas has no shortage of guns or young fools looking for respect from higher ups, but like all murders, any sniff of who might have been involved plants the seed for the next hit, which will come.
Its a dog eat dog world here, even an argument can lead to a murder its that bad and theres a stockpile of sawn-off shotguns around that have been replaced with glocks as weapon of choice.
Each generation gets more evil than the one before, I remember people around me used to be shocked by a murder, now its just an every other day occurance.
I've seen guns being discharged in public and 15mins later a few squad cars drive by, circle up and down end of story, not reported.

SoWatchaWant · 24-01-2009 07:17PM

CPT. SURF wrote: »

You know it crumbles that way
least thats what they say when you play the game
but God forbid you ever had to wake up to hear the news
then you really might know whats it like to have to lose

Yeah then you really might know whats its like

There's a forum for people like you. You should post in Matt Holck's poetry thread.

Or you could be explicit... not all of us are bothered to interpret verse after the Leaving Cert.

97i9y3941 · 25-01-2009 07:07PM

often wonder myself what do women see in these scum,often hear in the news their death is leaving a griveing kids and wifes/girlfriends behind,i assume women are turned on by danger and money?

IvySlayer · 25-01-2009 07:23PM

Why do people act as if this is exclusive only to Ireland?

'Ah jaysus the country is going down a hole'

There are hundreds of cities with worse gangland crime, London for example. Our firearm/death ratio or something or other is still, in comparison to others, low.

What we need is a new strategy, new laws, the Gardaí should be given the powers. Face it, they know who's doing what. They just can't prove it. And if any actually do make it to court, the judge gives out sentences which are laughable. Anyone who is caught with drugs, lock them up for 2 years. That'll kick their addiction.

Bringing drugs into the country, 15 years. Forget good behaviour.

meathstevie · 25-01-2009 08:18PM

uprising wrote: »

The media reports that people read are 30%-50% correct, I know this for a fact, I live in the so called murder triangle in Finglas and personally knew all or most of the people who have been murdered here in the past few years including the latest, I'm not into anything like they were alleged to have been involved in whatsoever, I simply grew up with them and knew them from school, being neighbours, hanging around with them when i was younger etc. The so called "DON" gets dragged into every murder that happens in dublin, the papers like to add fiction to fact, weather its deliberate or just being mis-informed from their sources I dont know?.
I believe the latest victim was killed in revenge for a murder in a Finglas pub a few months ago or its possible it was his new buddies that wanted more of the cake, actually there was a rumor that the body found near the airport the week before was his, it turned out to be false, but a week later it came true.
Finglas has no shortage of guns or young fools looking for respect from higher ups, but like all murders, any sniff of who might have been involved plants the seed for the next hit, which will come.
Its a dog eat dog world here, even an argument can lead to a murder its that bad and theres a stockpile of sawn-off shotguns around that have been replaced with glocks as weapon of choice.
Each generation gets more evil than the one before, I remember people around me used to be shocked by a murder, now its just an every other day occurance.
I've seen guns being discharged in public and 15mins later a few squad cars drive by, circle up and down end of story, not reported.

Have you ever considered giving that info to your local gardai when you know who the shooter is. I'm not talking about a statement and going witness here but just giving a bit of intel...

JangoFett · 25-01-2009 08:25PM

The gang "wars" are just as bad as the traveller feuds. It's all over stupid ****; money, drugs and people. Stupid people at that. People who get themselves into trouble over drugs and money. Scumbags and certain members of the travelling community.

And I think when one of them dies, sure it's tragic but all they've done is drain from society and added danger to the lives of people who do not dabble in drugs or steal money. Every time they steal a car and joyride or rob a bank or rob someone's house they put someone in danger when they shouldn't be because they don't belong in that lifestyle.

At the same time, I wish it wasn't going on, it's futile

Sharpshooter · 25-01-2009 08:31PM

Fred83 wrote: »

often wonder myself what do women see in these scum,often hear in the news their death is leaving a griveing kids and wifes/girlfriends behind,i assume women are turned on by danger and money?

Thats quite an assumption, and its wrong to put it like that.

is there an all out gangland war going on?

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