Have we gone mad?

toiletduck · 22-01-2009 04:32PM

So a priest has a problem with the idea of a non-denominational chapel and that means "we've" all gone mad? Riight...

Dragan · 22-01-2009 04:34PM

Personally i think the priest is missing the point, or at least in my opinion. I am not a Catholic, but went through a heavily biased school system, have active Catholic parents and have studied various aspects of various religions.

The only constant that came across about the Catholic Church is the belief that "God" is everywhere, and with us at all times, that an internal prayer to God is the same thing as a prayer said in a church, or at a Holy Place.

The priest seems to be placing way too much importance on the symbolism and, to me, is putting out the message that his god is now somehow absent from that place, or that this symbolism itself is responsible for "God's" presence.

I am sure if he thought about it for two seconds, he would realise the issue here is not about the fact that his religion is losing it's footprint in the Hospice, and if he was really concerned for the affected Catholics he would remind them of exactly what i have said above.

asdasd · 22-01-2009 04:35PM

I'm pretty sure their numbers have dwindled drastically since the 1920's when we were finally allowed to express "our own identity."

Jesus. The utter claptrap that the typical West Brit believes. Living under the Irish republic as a protestant wass not exactly the same as the theocratic hellhole that was the UK ( for catholics) for centuries.

I wonder if there is a correlaton between the old school pro-Empire class, and the new multi-cultural class. I say i wonder, but i dont really.

However its not a catholic church, so why should there be a Tabernacle in it?

Why not. Only a fanatic would give a ****.

Mingey · 22-01-2009 04:42PM

Nodin wrote: »

I've no idea. However its not a catholic church, so why should there be a Tabernacle in it?

I don't know, are tabernacles only supposed to go into churches? From what I know of Catholicism, they contain the body of Christ. The religion is fiercly rich in symbolism, and while I see no point in praying to symbols myself, that doesnt mean that oldies in their last days share the same view as me. If I were to go to the prayer room to have a pray, I wouldn't direct my prayer to whatever is in that box, but to whatever it is I am praying to.

Blazer · 22-01-2009 04:42PM

Bloody stupid hospital.
I wonder if the muslims took charge would they allow non muslim in their hospital? or remove any Muhammad statues etc?
Not a bleedin chance.

Biggins · 22-01-2009 04:43PM

Dragan wrote: »

Personally i think the priest is missing the point, or at least in my opinion. I am not a Catholic, but went through a heavily biased school system, have active Catholic parents and have studied various aspects of various religions.

The only constant that came across about the Catholic Church is the belief that "God" is everywhere, and with us at all times, that an internal prayer to God is the same thing as a prayer said in a church, or at a Holy Place.

The priest seems to be placing way too much importance on the symbolism and, to me, is putting out the message that his god is now somehow absent from that place, or that this symbolism itself is responsible for "God's" presence.

I am sure if he thought about it for two seconds, he would realise the issue here is not about the fact that his religion is losing it's footprint in the Hospice, and if he was really concerned for the affected Catholics he would remind them of exactly what i have said above.

Well said. Good thought out point. Well done.

IvyTheTerrible · 22-01-2009 04:45PM

Mathew Reilly wrote: »

Bloody stupid hospital.
I wonder if the muslims took charge would they allow non muslim in their hospital? or remove any Muhammad statues etc?
Not a bleedin chance.

Is the hospital in Donegal a Catholic-only hospital? What do Muslims have to do with it?

partyguinness · 22-01-2009 04:47PM

partyguinness wrote: »

Alot of moralising ****e being spewed here...

We are talking about a hospice....now I am sure everyone here knows what that is and maybe have been in a few...

Has anyone asked the actual patients what they feel?

Everyone else seems to be offering an opinion but I have heard none from the people that actually matter in all this. Prob being drowned out by all noise.

I am sure it gives a lot of comfort to patients in their final hours whatever religious symbols are there...the State v. Religion debate should be played out elsewhere.

If people could get their head out of their asses for 2 seconds.

Any word on what the patients think of all this?

Canis Lupus · 22-01-2009 04:48PM

I blame the muslims personally. Always up to no good.

Dragan · 22-01-2009 04:50PM

partyguinness wrote: »

If people could get their head out of their asses for 2 seconds.

Any word on what the patients think of all this?

Listen mate, you posted you point, people will read it and respond if they want to. No need to go quoting yourself and telling us all we have our heads in our asses.;)

Nodin · 22-01-2009 04:51PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I blame the muslims personally. Always up to no good.

Them, liberal whingers and Romanians.

Stercus Accidit · 22-01-2009 04:51PM

I'm Irish, I'm not catholic, I don't want to have tallywhackers as part of my culture, so keep them to yourself, in your home or place of worship.

Fup off with your its our culture sh1te, its a religious symbol end of, and its a catholic thing, not an Irish thing, there's a difference between being Irish and being catholic, learn it.

SEPT 23 1989 · 22-01-2009 04:52PM

Nodin wrote: »

Them, liberal whingers and Romanians.

dont forget them Jews

asdasd · 22-01-2009 04:54PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

dont forget them Jews

Its a chapel, which means it is Christian. The only people who could be mad about whether old Catholics get a box in their chapel are members of the DUP and earnest D4 liberals, and their ilk - the most intolerant santimous posers in history.

Mingey · 22-01-2009 04:54PM

What general image comes into your head with man from Saudi Arabia or a Woman from Haiti?

OldGoat · 22-01-2009 04:55PM

partyguinness wrote: »

If people could get their head out of their asses for 2 seconds.

Any word on what the patients think of all this?

Ahhhh now come on PartyGuinness. We all ignored your first post so what makes you think that we have any more interest in it now? Replying to your own post is kinda sad.

Edit: Damned slow fingers! Beaten to it by someone else.

Nodin · 22-01-2009 04:59PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

dont forget them Jews

Sure theres none of them here since St Patrick put them out....

Mathew Reilly wrote:

Bloody stupid hospital.
I wonder if the muslims took charge would they allow non muslim in their hospital? or remove any Muhammad statues etc?
Not a bleedin chance.

Its a Hospice, not a hospital. Its not a Muslim hospice. Its not a Protestant hospice. Its not a Catholic hospice.

Furthermore - Its not a Muslim chapel. Its not a Protestant chapel. Its not a Catholic chapel.

He should have asked before he put the shaggin thing in there. Then they might have said "no, but you can put it in the wee room next door".

Nodin · 22-01-2009 05:01PM

Mingey wrote: »

What general image comes into your head with man from Saudi Arabia or a Woman from Haiti?

Kevin Myers, talking shyte. Why?

Mingey · 22-01-2009 05:22PM

Well, I think of a person dressed with their head covered or Voodooism, which is a cultural identity due to the religious beliefs of their country.

I am not a religious person myself, but I'd like it if not all of our cutural ID has to do with being an inebriated pisshead.

One thing I loved about Thailand was all the Spirit Houses they had in or outside buildings. I would hate for them to be done away with, just in case some moaning berk gets offended.

CPT. SURF · 22-01-2009 05:44PM

Dragan wrote: »

Personally i think the priest is missing the point, or at least in my opinion. I am not a Catholic, but went through a heavily biased school system, have active Catholic parents and have studied various aspects of various religions.

The only constant that came across about the Catholic Church is the belief that "God" is everywhere, and with us at all times, that an internal prayer to God is the same thing as a prayer said in a church, or at a Holy Place.

The priest seems to be placing way too much importance on the symbolism and, to me, is putting out the message that his god is now somehow absent from that place, or that this symbolism itself is responsible for "God's" presence.

I am sure if he thought about it for two seconds, he would realise the issue here is not about the fact that his religion is losing it's footprint in the Hospice, and if he was really concerned for the affected Catholics he would remind them of exactly what i have said above.

That is a shrewd observation you have made about the priest going someway towards suggesting that the presence of God has been somewhat lessened since the removal of the tabernacle, and I believe you may have caught him out there. Although interesting in a religious and philosophical sense, it is more of an ad hoc point in this case.

The whole issue is about having a place, or a thing, that comforts certain individuals in the last days before they pass on. We are talking about the most daunting moment of our lives; and whether we like it or not, there have always been humans who seek religious comfort in their final days. It is undeniably a part of humanity, to deny so is to deny the reality of the situation.

I say let Catholic patients have their tabernacle. If their are Hindu patients who want to place a little prayer offering on the ground of the prayer room, let them do so. It can be kept to a small area where religions could interact peacefully, people might even build bridges. To remove seems cruel. I am not religious but such religious iconography would not be offensive to me in such a situation, especially considering the emotional stress of my fellow patients.

Davidius · 22-01-2009 06:11PM

My non-denominational school puts up a Christmas tree every Christmas.

I, as somebody who really likes getting money easily, am offended and will consider legal action!

Have we gone mad?

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