Garda Pay and overtime

Alicat · 18-01-2009 01:50AM

Seanies32 wrote: »

Did you not ask that of the OP?

Google it, it's too late! LOL.*

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Means Guards and Prison officers are one of the best paid public servants there are. If you don't believe me, disprove me as I've seen the links!

I don't believe you, but it doesn't mean I have to disprove you cause I never stated any "facts". I know a few Gardai and they get nowhere near that. That 'fact' I know.

That'd be all the big-wigs raising your fact figures up

And (apparently!

) their overtime is to be reduced to as little as possible so that 'statistic' is more than likely not current or relevant

Dob74 wrote: »

The average garda earned 1205.94 a week in 2007(www.cso.ie). Thats 62708.88 a year. So please stop the poor mouthing, gardai are well paid.

Who are these average Gardai??

MagicMarker makes a fair point!

K-9 · 18-01-2009 01:53AM

Alicat wrote: »

I don't believe you, but it doesn't mean I have to disprove you cause I never stated any "facts". I know a few Gardai and they get nowhere near that.

That'd be all the big-wigs raising your fact figures up

And (apparently! ) their overtime is to be reduced to as little as possible so that 'statistic' is more than likely not current or relevant

Who are these average Gardai??

MagicMarker makes a fair point!

The irony here is: Me Da WAS a Guard so I appreciate the job.

He gets a decent pension.

YEP, could be more, but they aren't badly off.

K-9 · 18-01-2009 01:55AM

Alicat wrote: »

I don't believe you, but it doesn't mean I have to disprove you cause I never stated any "facts". I know a few Gardai and they get nowhere near that. That 'fact' I know.

That'd be all the big-wigs raising your fact figures up

And (apparently! ) their overtime is to be reduced to as little as possible so that 'statistic' is more than likely not current or relevant

Who are these average Gardai??

MagicMarker makes a fair point!

Ah Google is very tough. The stats may well have been on the Economics forum here. Will dig out tomorrow when sober!

Alicat · 18-01-2009 01:55AM

Seanies32 wrote: »

The irony here is: Me Da WAS a Guard so I appreciate the job.

He gets a decent pension.

YEP, could be more, but they aren't badly off.

Never said they were badly off, I just disagree with the statements made by some posters that they are overpaid.

K-9 · 18-01-2009 01:57AM

Alicat wrote: »

Never said they were badly off, I just disagree with the statements made by some posters that they are overpaid.

And I disagree with the OP who says they are underpaid! But hey this is AH!

PS. The Armed response squads are underpaid.

johnnyskeleton · 18-01-2009 04:14AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ireland cant afford pay increases and will need pay cuts to prevent going bankrupt over the next few years.

This is the nub of the issue, but I think it's something that a lot of people fail to appreciate, so I might expand on it a bit. The government is not the bottomless money pile that it used to be - we are at real risk of default. It's not about what Gardai should be paid, how good/bad the job is or the public/private workers debate that the media are trying to polarise us on at the moment. It's about the government balancing its books at the end of the year. If they don't do this then the whole state is in trouble and the IMF will have to step in. So even though I think we need more and better paid gards on the ground, the reality is that we can't afford them. Nothing else matters. I realise that this means that gardai will be shafted in budget cuts, but that's the lesser evil compared to the state going bankrupt and failing.

Deleted User wrote: »

they dont get that pay figure until after 18months training.

They get 34 days annual leave but its not really anymore than someone on 24 days leave when you account that everyone else gets bank holidays off.

Off topic, but you sure have a lot of esoteric knowledge (unless of course you just googled "LAPD jobs").

Holsten · 18-01-2009 04:27AM

http://www.gra.cc/payscales.shtml

The Citizen · 18-01-2009 04:39AM

OP the Gardai should get one of the highest payrates in the country. It would immediately make the garda career more appealing as a career path. The increase in gardai would mean more warriors to fight against the scum. This would eventually lead to the scum being wiped out for once and for all. Then I could sleep peacefully at night, safe in the knowledge that my job is complete and this city is free from the grasp of the scum.

:mad:

SV · 18-01-2009 04:46AM

The Citizen wrote: »

OP the Gardai should get one of the highest payrates in the country. It would immediately make the garda career more appealing as a career path. The increase in gardai would mean more warriors to fight against the scum. This would eventually lead to the scum being wiped out for once and for all. Then I could sleep peacefully at night, safe in the knowledge that my job is complete and this city is free from the grasp of the scum.

:mad:

Yeah..safe from all the 6 year olds on buses.

The Citizen · 18-01-2009 04:59AM

ClioV6 wrote: »

Yeah..safe from all the 6 year olds on buses.

Mock me if you dare, but remember, when the scum are smashing your face open with a hammer don't come crying to me.

:mad:

SV · 18-01-2009 05:03AM

The Citizen wrote: »

Mock me if you dare, but remember, when the scum are smashing your face open with a hammer don't come crying to me.

:mad:

I dare to mock you.

how brave am I.

AlanAhern · 18-01-2009 05:05AM

The Citizen wrote: »

Mock me if you dare, but remember, when the scum are smashing your face open with a hammer don't come crying to me.

:mad:

I love this guy!

david · 18-01-2009 10:50AM

The Citizen wrote: »

Mock me if you dare, but remember, when the scum are smashing your face open with a hammer don't come crying to me.

:mad:

This guy always catches me out

Either incessent mouse hovering for non-existant links or trying to find a hidden message in the underlined words. Aaagh

timmywex · 18-01-2009 11:37AM

The figures mentioned in the first post are base figures, you forgot about allowances, these alot! Gardai get extra money for night shifts, sundays, saturdays, bank holidays and the like, uniform allowances and things such as! Also, when they are in court, they must be there for 10am, but the case might not be called until 3pm, thats all some overtime!

An inspector gets lot more than 56000. a sergeant would get more than that without overtime

Nodin · 18-01-2009 11:46AM

Tony Broke wrote: »

They get good money.

They are never going to be millionaires, but at the same time they have a decent standard of living.They have no reason at all to complain imo.

Dealing with the kind of classy folk they do, sure why would they.....

Nodin · 18-01-2009 11:47AM

The Citizen wrote: »

The increase in gardai would mean more warriors to fight against the scum.

And they'd get capes too.

Sam Vimes · 18-01-2009 11:56AM

The Citizen wrote: »

Mock me if you dare, but remember, when the scum are smashing your face open with a hammer don't come crying to me.

:mad:

The point of underlining words is to highlight them but when pretty much every noun, verb and adjective is underlined, you're not so much drawing attention to important words as making a mess......

Reminds me of primary school where the teacher would write a sentence on the board and tell you to underline the nouns in it

source · 18-01-2009 12:14PM

I am a Garda, my last pay cheque worked out with all the allowances and deductions to be €328 for the week.

People seem to forget that we pay taxes and have other deductions from our pay. Overtime is completely cut, to the extent that most of the time we're "paid" for our overtime with TOIL, I was making that much a week 3 years ago working in a sports shop, and i didn't have to deal with drunken fools and drugged up dopes going mental, i didn't have to deal with syringes and people armed with various types of weapons.

Don't get me wrong i love my job, but i can't stand the way people begrudge us our basic pay that we get.

MagicMarker · 18-01-2009 12:19PM

foinse wrote: »

I am a Garda, my last pay cheque worked out with all the allowances and deductions to be €328 for the week.

People seem to forget that we pay taxes and have other deductions from our pay. Overtime is completely cut, to the extent that most of the time we're "paid" for our overtime with TOIL, I was making that much a week 3 years ago working in a sports shop, and i didn't have to deal with drunken fools and drugged up dopes going mental, i didn't have to deal with syringes and people armed with various types of weapons.

Don't get me wrong i love my job, but i can't stand the way people begrudge us our basic pay that we get.

May I ask how long you've been a gard and roughly how many hours you worked for that pay cheque?

source · 18-01-2009 12:30PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

May I ask how long you've been a gard and roughly how many hours you worked for that pay cheque?

You may, I am at the bottom of the ladder, only recently attested, i worked a full week, it's difficult for me to tell you exactly how many hours because we get paid weekly, but we work thusly: week of nights (7 nights straight) 2 days off, then 7 days (mixture of early and late shifts) 3 days off then 6 days (mixture of early and late shifts) then 3 days off, rinse and repeat. each tour is 8 hours long.

however it is salary based, so it's €27,100 divided by 52 minus taxes and deductions that give us the weekly wage.

18-01-2009 12:31PM

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Off topic, but you sure have a lot of esoteric knowledge

Ive bled for the nation a few times ! Enough times to become bitter and twisted when I see Garda management ruin morale in the force and enough times to become enraged when I see politicians run our country into bankruptcy.
I nearly went to Australia a few years ago but decided to make a complete career change and one of the subjects I study is economics now!!

The Citizen wrote: »

OP the Gardai should get one of the highest payrates in the country. It would immediately make the garda career more appealing as a career path. The increase in gardai would mean more warriors to fight against the scum. This would eventually lead to the scum being wiped out for once and for all. Then I could sleep peacefully at night, safe in the knowledge that my job is complete and this city is free from the grasp of the scum.

:mad:

We dont even need to recruit more Gardai, we need to manage the resources we have available better. A few changes that would not cost a penny would transform the force and boost morale.

foinse wrote: »

I am a Garda, my last pay cheque worked out with all the allowances and deductions to be €328 for the week.

All well and good giving an example but you didnt say where on the pay scale you are. You didnt say what your deductions are. i.e if its to pay off a 09 mercedes - you get the picture. In fact there is no real need for examples. We have the pay scale in the public domain.

Unfortunately for public servants the country is busy spending BILLIONS on broken banks that I would have let fail. Dont you ever forget that these billions could have been spent on hospitals or on Garda driving courses and specially equipped vehicles.......... and to those unemployed those billions could have been spent creating jobs
:mad::mad::mad:

The country will only be able to borrow so much money until it runs out just look at what happened Iceland.

18-01-2009 12:34PM

foinse wrote: »

You may, I am at the bottom of the ladder

Dont worry about it dude, pay increments, you get one what 6 months after being attested? Then one every year up to the fifth year - unless its changed. Just be patient and you`ll be ok. Just hope the Government doesnt go bankrupt or cut Garda pay (they probably wont). And if the rest of us want to stage a coup then dont stand in our way

source · 18-01-2009 12:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Dont worry about it dude, pay increments, you get one what 6 months after being attested? Then one every year up to the fifth year - unless its changed. Just be patient and you`ll be ok. Just hope the Government doesnt go bankrupt or cut Garda pay (they probably wont). And if the rest of us want to stage a coup then dont stand in our way

you see that's the problem, when the first increment kicks in realistically after tax you're looking at what? an extra €20 to €30 a week? no exactly a dramatic leap in disposable income. even after the first two or three years it isn't anyting spectacular, given that the majority of gardai have under 5 years service these days, doesn't really hold much to the argument that we're well paid.

moe_sizlak · 18-01-2009 12:56PM

gardai are paid very well considering how little most of them do , unless your stationed in a rough area and most areas in ireland are still not that rough , a guard is a bit of a doss , stamping passport applications , signaling traffic , all jobs that non gardai could do , go into any police station and thier are several gardai behind the counter shooting the breeze , ive had some experience in dealing with gardai , its all very political , how willing they are to help is often dictated by who is doing the complaning , what sex they are , what age they are and how willing they are to take thier complaint above the local garda station , most of them like an easy target and are more likely to slaughter a few chickens then take on a hungry fox , keeping your head down , staying in line and maintaining a decent number of summons are the route to promotion , the culture is not too different to other areas in the public service

it has been stated many times that the gardai are under resourced , i do not believe this for a second , the orginisation needs reform and needs to be much more efficent in how it uses its resources , take the weekly district court sitting , a garda may have only one summons which may involve some guy being up for being drunk and disorderly , while the garda and his accused may be sitting in court at 10 am that morning , the case may not be called for several hours later , the garda may be asked to speak for as little as one minute and hes off out the door , thier could be a dozen garda in court with a similarly small amount of business that day , surely theese cases could be represented by one garda in court

K-9 · 18-01-2009 01:21PM

foinse wrote: »

I am a Garda, my last pay cheque worked out with all the allowances and deductions to be €328 for the week.

People seem to forget that we pay taxes and have other deductions from our pay. Overtime is completely cut, to the extent that most of the time we're "paid" for our overtime with TOIL, I was making that much a week 3 years ago working in a sports shop, and i didn't have to deal with drunken fools and drugged up dopes going mental, i didn't have to deal with syringes and people armed with various types of weapons.

Don't get me wrong i love my job, but i can't stand the way people begrudge us our basic pay that we get.

What are the deductions?

There shouldn't be much Tax or PRSI on a wage like that, unless the deductions are considerable.

Are you chatting about Pension, St. Pauls Medical Aid and Credit Union deductions?

It just doesn't make much sense from a Tax and PRSI viewpoint.

18-01-2009 01:46PM

foinse wrote: »

you see that's the problem, when the first increment kicks in realistically after tax you're looking at what? an extra €20 to €30 a week? no exactly a dramatic leap in disposable income. even after the first two or three years it isn't anyting spectacular, given that the majority of gardai have under 5 years service these days, doesn't really hold much to the argument that we're well paid.

93,000 people lost their jobs last year, another 150,000 left the country and workforce - thats people going back to Polska because they lost their jobs.
If the 150,000 stayed and claimed the dole unemployment would be 20/21%
Thats nearly a quarter of a million people who are no longer paying taxes.
Its 93,000 people extra that existing taxes have to fund for job seekers benefit and other allowances.

Just be glad you have a job. Your pay will increase with increments.

source · 18-01-2009 02:03PM

i'm just trying to highlight the fact that not every one in this job is earning as much as people think.

Bluetonic · 18-01-2009 02:28PM

foinse wrote: »

i'm just trying to highlight the fact that not every one in this job is earning as much as people think.

Are you going to let us know what the deductions are or are you going to be an ignoramus and ignore it?

K-9 · 18-01-2009 02:39PM

foinse wrote: »

i'm just trying to highlight the fact that not every one in this job is earning as much as people think.

Depends, €328 isn't great, but if €100 a week is on a car loan from the Garda Credit Union, €50 is for Medical Aid etc, you'd be better quoting the figure before deductions.

Dob74 · 18-01-2009 08:17PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

How many hours were worked to get that average wage and how much does that work out per hour? Also, is this before or after tax?

I assume its there gross pay. Hopefully they pay tax on it but knowing this gov its probably cash under the table.

Garda Pay and overtime

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