Benitez not happy with Fergie

Melion · 10-01-2009 04:41PM

Draupnir wrote: »

That's looking at it from the most self serving and abstract point of view though. That viewpoint ignores the fact that you are not the best team in the league and that, since medals aren't given out at Christmas, being top now wins you nothing.

Why are we top?

ntlbell · 10-01-2009 04:43PM

Hobart wrote: »

Rafa did not "retort" to Fergie's comments. He was asked a question by a reporter, and actually did not address the question, instead taking the opportunity to have a go at
Fergie and Fergie's antics..

oh a random question from a reporter

and he pulls out a here's one i prepared earlier sheet?

yes very random...

Draupnir · 10-01-2009 04:43PM

Melion wrote: »

Why are we top?

Neither United or Chelsea have started yet. Fact.

Melion · 10-01-2009 04:44PM

Draupnir wrote: »

Neither United or Chelsea have started yet. Fact.

I'd argue that either have Liverpool

ntlbell · 10-01-2009 04:47PM

Melion wrote: »

I'd argue that either have Liverpool

which is the norm...

Draupnir · 10-01-2009 04:47PM

Melion wrote: »

I'd argue that either have Liverpool

I'm sure you would, but past form doesn't give us any indication that Liverpool are any better than they've been this season. That is not the case with United or Chelsea.

Melion · 10-01-2009 04:48PM

Draupnir wrote: »

I'm sure you would, but past form doesn't give us any indication that Liverpool are any better than they've been this season. That is not the case with United or Chelsea.

And what happens if its the same situation in May? We only won the title because United and Chelsea couldnt be arsed this year

~Rebel~ · 10-01-2009 04:50PM

Draupnir wrote: »

That's looking at it from the most self serving and abstract point of view though. That viewpoint ignores the fact that you are not the best team in the league and that, since medals aren't given out at Christmas, being top now wins you nothing.

On games played and results gotten thus far, liverpool are the best team in the league. Nothing matters beyond points, and pool have more then anyone else. We'll see if this is still true in a few months time, but as for now, the wheels have Not come off.

Ntlbell, did you not read what you quoted? It says a reporter asked a random question which rafa Did Not answer, instead saying everything he had planned to say.

ntlbell · 10-01-2009 04:51PM

Melion wrote: »

And what happens if its the same situation in May? We only won the title because United and Chelsea couldnt be arsed this year

well it's the only realistic hope liverpool have

Draupnir · 10-01-2009 04:51PM

No, that wouldn't be fair to say, at that point everyone would have to admit that Liverpool were the best side in the league this season. It is the reason that clubs value leagues so highly, you HAVE to be the best to win them, you don't have to be the best to be top at Christmas though.

It's like the 10,000m at the Olympics, there is always some headless cabbage setting the pace until the last few laps. He doesn't get a medal though.

Draupnir · 10-01-2009 04:53PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

On games played and results gotten thus far, liverpool are the best team in the league. Nothing matters beyond points, and pool have more then anyone else. We'll see if this is still true in a few months time, but as for now, the wheels have Not come off.

Ntlbell, did you not read what you quoted? It says a reporter asked a random question which rafa Did Not answer, instead saying everything he had planned to say.

The best team in the league is not governed by the current league, the holders are the best team in the league until they lose their title. Are you telling me you think the team top of the league on day one are the best team in the league?

ntlbell · 10-01-2009 04:55PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Ntlbell, did you not read what you quoted? It says a reporter asked a random question which rafa Did Not answer, instead saying everything he had planned to say.

which was a retort to alex's comments......

jesus_thats_gre · 10-01-2009 04:55PM

Draupnir wrote: »

That's looking at it from the most self serving and abstract point of view though. That viewpoint ignores the fact that you are not the best team in the league and that, since medals aren't given out at Christmas, being top now wins you nothing.

Note the "so far" in my post.. I am not claiming victory, nor do I even think we will win the league. However, you saying that Liverpool are only top of the league as a result of the trailing teams being poor is also the same as Liverpool are only on top as a result of them being better than the trailing teams so far this season.

You can have your own opinions on Liverpool all you like but they are presently top of the league and deserving of this position considering they have beaten the two teams that you will argue are actually better than them.

Melion · 10-01-2009 04:56PM

Draupnir wrote: »

The best team in the league is not governed by the current league, the holders are the best team in the league until they lose their title. Are you telling me you think the team top of the league on day one are the best team in the league?

The year after Blackburn won the title, they finished 7th. Were they the best team in the league that year?

jesus_thats_gre · 10-01-2009 04:56PM

Draupnir wrote: »

The best team in the league is not governed by the current league, the holders are the best team in the league until they lose their title. Are you telling me you think the team top of the league on day one are the best team in the league?

Ah give it a break will you..

~Rebel~ · 10-01-2009 04:57PM

Draupnir wrote: »

No, that wouldn't be fair to say, at that point everyone would have to admit that Liverpool were the best side in the league this season. It is the reason that clubs value leagues so highly, you HAVE to be the best to win them, you don't have to be the best to be top at Christmas though.

It's like the 10,000m at the Olympics, there is always some headless cabbage setting the pace until the last few laps. He doesn't get a medal though.

Pretty nonsensical comparison. In a race like that, the runner can make a conscious decision to go ahead, to his detriment later. Liverpool have not sacrificed anything to be ahead of the pack. They have no handicap for the second half of the season and can continue to compete on the same level playing field as the rest. A better comparison is the runner who is peaking at the right time, surprising the favourites.

Draupnir · 10-01-2009 04:58PM

7th was their FINAL position. FINAL positions count, no other positions count.

Melion · 10-01-2009 04:59PM

Draupnir wrote: »

7th was their FINAL position. FINAL positions count, no other positions count.

Thats bóllox, ive had enough of you now. We'll just have to wait for May to see how full of shít you actually are

Draupnir · 10-01-2009 04:59PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Pretty nonsensical comparison. In a race like that, the runner can make a conscious decision to go ahead, to his detriment later. Liverpool have not sacrificed anything to be ahead of the pack. They have no handicap for the second half of the season and can continue to compete on the same level playing field as the rest. A better comparison is the runner who is peaking at the right time, surprising the favourites.

How often have you seen one of the gormless cabbages peaking at the right time, from the front, and winning the 10,000m? Correct, never.

el rabitos · 10-01-2009 04:59PM

Draupnir wrote: »

It's like the 10,000m at the Olympics, there is always some headless cabbage setting the pace until the last few laps. He doesn't get a medal though.

he's probably in a rush to get on boards and rage about pool being top of the prem :pac:

~Rebel~ · 10-01-2009 04:59PM

ntlbell wrote: »

which was a retort to alex's comments......

Not so much a retort, more a 'oh stop whingeing'. After alex's comments about the schedule and wengers agreement, rather then actually commenting on that issue on which he was asked, rafa instead pointed out just how much alex has these rants and questioned why they are tolerated.

jesus_thats_gre · 10-01-2009 04:59PM

And we have a new addition to the ignore list.. You can have boggles spot.

ntlbell · 10-01-2009 05:02PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Not so much a retort, more a 'oh stop whingeing'.

but the original point was no one cares

my point. raffa does.

someone elses point it wasn't a retort

your point it was stop the whinging

why if he doesn't care what alex says?

the fact is he does.

Hobart · 10-01-2009 05:04PM

ntlbell wrote: »

oh a random question from a reporter

and he pulls out a here's one i prepared earlier sheet?

yes very random...

Did I say it was random? Was it Random? Do you think Rafa went into that conference thiinking, he'll never ask me about Whisky nose and his latest pathetic attempt at undermining us, will he? It's called being prepared. YEs he did have a list, and unlike you, he also showed the opportunity to be able to read what was in front of him.

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Not so much a retort, more a 'oh stop whingeing'.

Exactly.

~Rebel~ · 10-01-2009 05:05PM

ntlbell wrote: »

but the original point was no one cares

my point. raffa does.

someone elses point it wasn't a retort

your point it was stop the whinging

why if he doesn't care what alex says?

the fact is he does.

I just elaborated on my initial post. Rather then care about the topic alex raised, he instead ignored this and focused on the man himself. Ergo the comments didn't bring about his speech, the man himself did. As much as anything id imagine it was just a great oppartunity to have an unexpected pop at him before a big weekend

ntlbell · 10-01-2009 05:06PM

Hobart wrote: »

Did I say it was random? Was it Random? Do you think Rafa went into that conference thiinking, he'll never ask me about Whisky nose and his latest pathetic attempt at undermining us, will he? It's called being prepared. YEs he did have a list, and unlike you, he also showed the opportunity to be able to read what was in front of him.

Exactly.

so my point stands.

he cares.

this penny has a long fall

ntlbell · 10-01-2009 05:07PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I just elaborated on my initial post. Rather then care about the topic alex raised, he instead ignored this and focused on the man himself. Ergo the comments didn't bring about his speech, the man himself did. As much as anything id imagine it was just a great oppartunity to have an unexpected pop at him before a big weekend

so your saying if alex hadn't have said what he did raffa would of prepared that embarassing list?

i think not

bUILDERtHEbOB · 10-01-2009 05:09PM

*Rafa

It's not that hard., in fact, it's actually easier.

ntlbell · 10-01-2009 05:11PM

bUILDERtHEbOB wrote: »

*Rafa

It's not that hard., in fact, it's actually easier.

your contribution has been noted.

zAbbo · 10-01-2009 05:13PM

Looks like Rafa has a fair few of the United fans ruffled?

Why all the concern if he's gonna get sacked and Liverpool aren't gonna win anything?

Rafa 1 - Internet 0

Benitez not happy with Fergie

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