Benitez not happy with Fergie

spockety

ntlbell wrote: »

sham of a manager

as keane would say..

"raffa, show us your medals"

I presume you want to do like for like.. given Rafa is 48 I presume we are only going to compare medals up to that age..??

Fergie:

Scottish first division
Scottish prem league x 3
Scottish FA Cup x 4
Scottish League Cup x 1
UEFA Cup winners cup x 1
UEFA Super Cup x 1

Rafa:

Spanish La Liga x 2
UEFA Cup x 1
FA Cup x 1
UEFA Champions League x 1
UEFA Super Cup x 1
FA Community Shield x 1

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

ntlbell

spockety wrote: »

I presume you want to do like for like.. given Rafa is 48 I presume we are only going to compare medals up to that age..??

Fergie:

Scottish first division
Scottish prem league x 3
Scottish FA Cup x 4
Scottish League Cup x 1
UEFA Cup winners cup x 1
UEFA Super Cup x 1

Rafa:

Spanish La Liga x 2
UEFA Cup x 1
FA Cup x 1
UEFA Champions League x 1
UEFA Super Cup x 1
FA Community Shield x 1

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

yea that makes a lot of sense..

spockety

ntlbell wrote: »

yea that makes a lot of sense..

Aye, I reckon it makes more sense than comparing someone with 20 years more experience alright....

Dub13

ntlbell wrote: »

he should of watched a few mourinho tapes or arsne to see how to it with style and a touch of class.

Yes saying Ronaldo had a “difficult childhood” with “no education” is very classy.

ntlbell

spockety wrote: »

Aye, I reckon it makes more sense than comparing someone with 20 years more experience alright....

and calling a man that's won just about everything in the game a sham makes as much?

spockety

ntlbell wrote: »

and calling a man that's won just about everything in the game a sham makes as much?

Well you'll have to take that point up with the original poster.. however I don't think comparing Rafa's medal haul with Alex Ferguson's is a very constructive way to go about your rebuttal.

There is no doubt that Ferguson's medal haul makes him the most successful manager in the world right now. However, there are other aspects of his 'game' that probably need some sort of other analysis beyond a straight up medal count.

~Rebel~

sur why don't we compare who's lad is bigger while we're at it? Its about as relevant to the thread..

spockety

spockety wrote: »

I presume you want to do like for like.. given Rafa is 48 I presume we are only going to compare medals up to that age..??

Fergie:

Scottish first division
Scottish prem league x 3
Scottish FA Cup x 4
Scottish League Cup x 1
UEFA Cup winners cup x 1
UEFA Super Cup x 1

Rafa:

Spanish La Liga x 2
UEFA Cup x 1
FA Cup x 1
UEFA Champions League x 1
UEFA Super Cup x 1
FA Community Shield x 1

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

I know you meant this to try and discredit Fergie....but I believe he's the last manager of a club that wasn't Celtic or Rangers to win an SPL. While he was manager Aberdeen were THE force in Scottish football.


Which is more difficult...winning La Liga with a highly established team in Valencia, or winning the Scottish League when you're up against BOTH Celtic and Rangers.

micks

Deleted User wrote: »

I know you meant this to try and discredit Fergie....but I believe he's the last manager of a club that wasn't Celtic or Rangers to win an SPL. While he was manager Aberdeen were THE force in Scottish football.


Which is more difficult...winning La Liga with a highly established team in Valencia, or winning the Scottish League when you're up against BOTH Celtic and Rangers.

As opposed to breaking the Real/Barca domination?
Celtic/Rangers vs Real/Barca which is the greater achievement?

micks

micks wrote: »

As opposed to breaking the Real/Barca domination?
Celtic/Rangers vs Real/Barca which is the greater achievement?

Em Deportivo had done that for them in 2000.


Also Benitez took over from Hector Cuper who had established Valencia as one of the top teams in Europe by reachin 2 CL Finals. They were far from a small club. It doesn't diminish what he achieved at all but the post in question was trying to say that Fergies achievements at Aberdeen were nothin special, which is b0ll0x tbh. You cannot turn your nose up at winning a European trophy with a Scottish club side and breaking that dominance Celtic and Rangers had.

FatherTed

So back to the original question that was asked of Rafa, are Liverpool feeling the pressure? After today, the answer would have to be Yes.

Mr Alan

not really, we put in ****e performances like today before Rafas conference yesterday-so its really just business as usual.

FatherTed

Mr Alan wrote: »

not really, we put in ****e performances like today before Rafas conference yesterday-so its really just business as usual.

Well Liverpool won't win the league playing shyte like that.

keane2097

Mr Alan wrote: »

not really, we put in ****e performances like today before Rafas conference yesterday-so its really just business as usual.

You'd have been going on about the masterstroke of a press conference if Liverpool had won 3-0 today though...

Whatever about it not having a negative influence, it clearly didn't help.

Jazzy

ntlbell wrote: »

and calling a man that's won just about everything in the game a sham makes as much?

no, he used facts... and made sure ppl knew he was using facts. if the facts are that fergie is a big hypocrite then there is little u can do.

missing u yesterday ntlbell. i was actually quite confused as to why u werent all over this like a 5 year old on sugar. but alas today is a new day and here u are, getting all giddy

FatherTed

keane2097 wrote: »

You'd have been going on about the masterstroke of a press conference if Liverpool had won 3-0 today though...

Whatever about it not having a negative influence, it clearly didn't help.

Perhaps Rafa would have been better off coming up with better instructions for his players instead of compiling his dossier on Fergussen.

Bobalicious93

....From Redcafe :D:D

Mr Alan

FatherTed wrote: »

Well Liverpool won't win the league playing shyte like that.

why not? every team that has won the PL has always had a number of ****e games every season have they not?

keane2097 wrote: »

You'd have been going on about the masterstroke of a press conference if Liverpool had won 3-0 today though..

em, no i wouldnt, as i said yesterday-whether rafas press conference had any effect or baring on anything wont be decided for quite some time yet.

FatherTed wrote: »

Perhaps Rafa would have been better off coming up with better instructions for his players instead of compiling his dossier on Fergussen.

it was not a dossier, it was a piece of paper with dates & fixtures on it :rolleyes:

Mr Alan

Bobalicious93 wrote: »

....From Redcafe :D:D

from google images :D:D

Mental Mickey

FatherTed wrote: »

Well Liverpool won't win the league playing shyte like that.

We just might, ya know.........?

The "Special One" did it.

Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

it was not a dossier, it was a piece of paper with dates & fixtures on it :rolleyes:

All I saw was SEVERAL pieces of paper. A dossier can be on one page. Did Rafa show you what was written on it?

Unearthly

Some posters lost the plot in here

calm down lads

Mental Mickey

Deleted User wrote: »

All I saw was SEVERAL pieces of paper. A dossier can be on one page. Did Rafa show you what was written on it?

Funny that. I saw one piece of paper.....?

Neil3030

Unearthly wrote: »

Some posters lost the plot in here

calm down lads

Agreed. I think everyone should watch this video before posting again:

Headshot

loved that tune

ntlbell

Jazzy wrote: »

no, he used facts... and made sure ppl knew he was using facts. if the facts are that fergie is a big hypocrite then there is little u can do.

missing u yesterday ntlbell. i was actually quite confused as to why u werent all over this like a 5 year old on sugar. but alas today is a new day and here u are, getting all giddy

I was referring to mayordenis not raffa

nice one for keeping up with the flow of the thread tho...

ntlbell

Bobalicious93 wrote: »

....From Redcafe :D:D

LMFAO

Jazzy

lol

further proof of utd fans just wanting it to be a kev style rant. if u click your heels together 3 times u can wish for watever u want... to go home... dimitar berbatov... or if u are ronaldo - a penalty!

copacetic

Deleted User wrote: »

. A dossier can be on one page.

So we are now changing the defintion of words to suit you also? what next?:rolleyes:

redout

FA to review Benitez complaints


Ferguson is a past master at playing mind games with rival managers


The Football Association is to review Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez's verbal attack on Alex Ferguson before deciding whether to take any action against him.

Benitez claimed his Manchester United counterpart gets away with criticising referees and poured scorn on his complaints about the fixture list.

The FA said in a brief statement that the comments will be analysed "in their full context" in the coming week.
Ferguson has yet to respond to the claims levelled against him by Benitez.


It will certainly have an impact on their relationship, but not on Ferguson



Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger


The Spaniard's outburst came after a journalist asked for his response to Ferguson's suggestion that Premier League leaders Liverpool might get nervous in the title run-in.

After claiming Manchester United might be nervous themselves, he produced a sheet of paper and read out a list of accusations about Ferguson's conduct regarding referees, the FA's Respect campaign and fixture lists.

Benitez claimed that Ferguson intimidates match officials and often escapes punishment for his criticism of referees.
Former top-flight ref Graham Poll claimed in the Daily Mail that Benitez "has articulated what referees have been thinking for years - that Sir Alex can say what he wants about them and the FA allows him to get away with it."

However, Ferguson could point to several past run-ins with the FA during his time in charge at Old Trafford.

The most recent came in November when the Scot was given a two-game touchline ban and fined £10,000 for remonstrating with referee Mike Dean.






Arsenal manager ArseneWenger said on Saturday thathe does not think Benitez's words will have any effect on the Premier League title race, but expressed his shock that the Liverpool boss had openly attacked Ferguson.

"It will certainly have an impact on their relationship, but not on Ferguson," he said.

"It came as a complete surprise because he [Benitez] is usually a quiet man and I would not like to comment further on that. "I do not know what it was really about. I do not know what he [Ferguson] is doing. You do not know. Nobody knows in the country."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7822101.stm