Dell confirms relocation to Poland

lb163 · 08-01-2009 11:05AM

Dont count your chickens about Intel, India here they go.

gandalf · 08-01-2009 11:06AM

These things go in circles lads. We'll be in recession for a couple of years. Then we'll be doing Tech Support for Indians calling Ireland.

Us "Hi my name is Sanjay how can I help you"

Them "I want to talk to an Indian Tech Support Rep I can't understand you Irish.."

KerranJast · 08-01-2009 11:07AM

niceirishfella wrote: »

Hi Kerran,

Thank you for your post pointing out the obvious and for the lack of empathy.
Also, i'm sure Intel have heard of a place called India.

I do feel sorry for the people losing out and I hope they find other work. However something like this should be a wake up call to anyone else still working in a similar type of work. They really should be upskilling and looking for more sustainable work.

Steve.Pseudonym wrote: »

Regarding intel, isn't it true that one of their plants here is standing idle, and that the others haven't been upgraded to produce the latest chips? That doesn't sound terribly encouraging. They might move more manufacturing to Israel.

They spent a couple of hundred million on the new plant next to Fab24. I finished there a few years back so I don't know what the story is now. IF they don't upgrade the facilities or bring more new work in intending to slowly ramp down the facility then it will still be several years at the least before they can do that.

niceirishfella · 08-01-2009 11:10AM

KerranJast wrote: »

I do feel sorry for the people losing out and I hope they find other work.

Yeah, roight.
I'd love to see you spout yer sh*t to the 1,900 people in Dell this morning.

Canis Lupus · 08-01-2009 11:12AM

gandalf wrote: »

These things go in circles lads. We'll be in recession for a couple of years. Then we'll be doing Tech Support for Indians calling Ireland.

Us "Hi my name is Sanjay how can I help you"

Them "I want to talk to an Indian Tech Support Rep I can't understand you Irish.."

It's only a matter of time.

KerranJast · 08-01-2009 11:12AM

niceirishfella wrote: »

Yeah, roight.
I'd love to see you spout yer sh*t to the 1,900 people in Dell this morning.

I've been through big corporate redundancy too mate so I know how they feel. What I was saying isn't aimed at them but everyone else out there in a similar job. They need to start looking to the future.

ronbyrne2005 · 08-01-2009 11:12AM

As sure dont worry, Fianna FAIL has a masterplan. We're gonna build tens of thousands of houses and sell them to each other, it's a sure fire winner, these time next year, We'll be millionaires! And sure are'nt we the richest country in the world :pac:

Steve.Pseudonym · 08-01-2009 11:14AM

niceirishfella wrote: »

Yeah, roight.
I'd love to see you spout yer sh*t to the 1,900 people in Dell this morning.

To be fair, I understand Dell's decision too. Our government allowed the country to become too expensive to do business in. It's a shame for the workers, but I don't see what else you could expect dell to do, stay here and lose lots of money due to our inflated prices?

niceirishfella · 08-01-2009 11:15AM

ronbyrne2005 wrote: »

As sure dont worry, Fianna FAIL has a masterplan. We're gonna build tens of thousands of houses and sell them to each other, it's a sure fire winner, these time next year, We'll be millionaires! And sure are'nt we the richest country in the world :pac:

Yep, and the IDA have it all in hand.
They'll replace the 1900 jobs with 1877 jobs in Leitrim making laffing gas.

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 08-01-2009 11:17AM

On the plus side I'm sure there is a fairly good redundancy package with Dell, so it's a good oppertuinity for anyone who was thinking of going back to college / emmigrating to take some time off.
Still pretty bad for all the workers dependant on Dell who probably will get fuck all of a severence package if even one at all...

dodgyme · 08-01-2009 11:20AM

gandalf wrote: »

looking around other countries for around 5 years now.

What really annoys me is that ok manufacturing is going to be eroded as prices etc go higher but this wasnt helped what the gov did in the last 10 years while pumping up the public sector with wages and numbers, by pumping up the property boom etc. I think ever man on the street with abit of cop on knew that this would only push companies out of Ireland mainly to countries where our migrant workers came from.

Gov policy was completely biased towards property, the public sector then needed wage increases to afford houses so they got it, while the average private sector workers had to look for ever more inventive ways to make ends meat. When you are told you are getting no increase in your review there is little you can do about it, I hope public sector workers are listening (a mate of mine in his fifties is the only one in a large household of public sector workers (auditors, office-gardai, admin etc) and he said 'by chr*st the rest of my family dont have a clue', whether you agree or not is up to you). Limerick is a city I like alot, and I feel sorry that in my time working a company like dell went from being one of the best employers in the city to a company whose time was knocking because of the manufacturing cost base being chiseled away by our own f*cking gov and their social partnership deals etc. social partnership was fine in the early years to put meat on the bone but now it is like an overfed christmas turkey barely able to walk. I am sure Willie o'dea will buy a pint for a few dell workers in souths?

minxie · 08-01-2009 11:22AM

only just heard the news!!:eek:
god the poor people, are the 1`900 all permanant
workers or some temps. and if so would the temps be entitled to a severance package...
this is a major blow to the mid west...

Puddleduck · 08-01-2009 11:25AM

KerranJast wrote: »

Dunno about HP but Intel are going nowhere (at least until Eastern Europe gets to the same 3rd Level Education levels as us). Dell is an exception as the work they were mainly doing is lower tech manufacturing and assembly. I know a lot of guys here in Limerick that worked for them at some point the majority of the work was taking PC and laptop parts and putting them together. No offense to the people that have lost their jobs but that type of work is easily outsourced. TBH how it wasn't moved sooner is a mystery to me.

HP have been talking about moving the manufacturing to India or somewhere for years. Im pretty sure its in the works at the moment

ParkRunner · 08-01-2009 11:26AM

dodgyme wrote: »

I am sure Willie o'dea will buy a pint for a few dell workers in souths?

Will Willie O'Dea be able to afford a few pints soon? Surely his and Fianna Fáils time is up. If they get voted in again I am leaving the country!

dodgyme · 08-01-2009 11:31AM

EF wrote: »

If they get voted in again I am leaving the country!

Shocking thing is, I actually believe you and others when they say this now. There may be no choice for some.

Puddleduck · 08-01-2009 11:34AM

dodgyme wrote: »

Shocking thing is, I actually believe you and others when they say this now. There may be no choice for some.

Yea, but what I want to know is, where are all these emigrating Irish going to go? Work is hard to come by in most countries now. Jesus it annoys me how people go into a total panic when they hear the word Recession. Its not that bad. No good time lasts forever, the same as no bad time lasts forever. Just carry on as normal.

run_Forrest_run · 08-01-2009 11:38AM

pretty tough for all those affected. I wonder will this shut the public sector up for a while before they start cribbing about pay and conditions as usual.

KerranJast · 08-01-2009 11:38AM

Going on what I saw at Motorola, a lot of the people let go started their own SMEs or went working for other SMEs. The days of working for huge corporate entities are nearly over. If we're going to survive as a knowledge economy we have to be more entrepreneurial and not rely on FDI so much.

Omnipresence · 08-01-2009 11:42AM

Same with DEC in galway (so many spin off companies from ex workers there) and other teclos etc in ireland...

Unfortunately times are now very very different.

Intel and HP are deffo the next to keep a close eye on...

-A

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bill_ashmount · 08-01-2009 11:45AM

Puddleduck wrote: »

Yea, but what I want to know is, where are all these emigrating Irish going to go? Work is hard to come by in most countries now. Jesus it annoys me how people go into a total panic when they hear the word Recession. Its not that bad. No good time lasts forever, the same as no bad time lasts forever. Just carry on as normal.

I hear Canada is still going strong. Know a few people who have been placed over there recently.

Ireland will survive without Dell no matter what anyone on here says. Companys come and go. It's no big deal, I've been through redundancies before, life doesn't end.

professore · 08-01-2009 11:49AM

KerranJast wrote: »

Dunno about HP but Intel are going nowhere (at least until Eastern Europe gets to the same 3rd Level Education levels as us).

WTF ??? That's why Google and others are all going to EE ... don't kid yourself, our 3rd level is no better than anywhere else - you obviously believe all the government spin about the knowledge economy.

Kev_ps3 · 08-01-2009 11:50AM

Its a sad day indeed. I worked there for a few months. I know a few people who work in factorys that supply Dell with parts and they could easily lose their jobs now, not good news for them either.
I think we should try and invest to get Irish people to set up Irish companys that will stay in Ireland and employ Irish.

whiskeyman · 08-01-2009 11:51AM

Puddleduck wrote: »

Its not that bad. No good time lasts forever, the same as no bad time lasts forever. Just carry on as normal.

But that's the problem. A lot of people in this country were living well beyond their means, with credit card debts, high mortgages and lavish lifestyles given their circumstances due to the ease and availability of credit.... and all this was 'normal!
With their jobs gone and huge debts racked up and for many a family to support, it's going to be very hard to 'carry on as normal'.

KerranJast · 08-01-2009 11:52AM

professore wrote: »

WTF ??? That's why Google and others are all going to EE ... don't kid yourself, our 3rd level is no better than anywhere else - you obviously believe all the government spin about the knowledge economy.

I don't believe anything that bunch of idiots says. Our economic performance has been partly based on us having very high participation in 3rd and 4th level Education. I think we're still ahead of EE and the lower cost countries in Asia in that regards. Throw in the fact that we're English speaking, part of the Euro and have low corporation tax, then we *should* be still attractive to FDI if it weren't for our crazy wages (mainly due to cost of living and inflation).

themadchef · 08-01-2009 11:58AM

lb163 wrote: »

Dont count your chickens about Intel, India here they go.

They're building a plant in China now afaik, but i find it hard to believe the Irish plant will go before the Israeli.

Very sorry for all those people who lost jobs in Limerick.

AARRRGH · 08-01-2009 12:01PM

gandalf wrote: »

work in the IT industry and its been common knowledge that Dell have been looking around other countries for around 5 years now.

The Government had plenty of time to come up with viable alternatives but haven't.

Spot on. Even the dogs on the street knew this was coming, but nothing was done to prepare for it.

I would hope most of the workers didn't have their head in the sand either and went and got other qualifications over the past few years...

Puddleduck · 08-01-2009 12:03PM

whiskeyman wrote: »

But that's the problem. A lot of people in this country were living well beyond their means, with credit card debts, high mortgages and lavish lifestyles given their circumstances due to the ease and availability of credit.... and all this was 'normal!
With their jobs gone and huge debts racked up and for many a family to support, it's going to be very hard to 'carry on as normal'.

Yes, but provided you still have a job you can still pay off your debts. Its not impossible to get a job, it may not be in your chosen field but for the time being it would make ends meet. Its been difficult to get a job for about two years now, but its still managable. Then when the economy picks up again you can look for a particular job you want.

My job is far from secure. Any day now someone could turn round and tell me they dont need me. Plenty of people in secure jobs are worrying about it though. Thats my point. Its hitting certain sectors, not all.

ntlbell · 08-01-2009 12:04PM

AARRRGH wrote: »

Spot on. Even the dogs on the street knew this was coming, but nothing was done to prepare for it.

I would hope most of the workers didn't have their head in the sand either and went and got other qualifications over the past few years...

Aye wasn't there docco on RTE about two years ago a local polish guy showing the RTE lads around all the plants Dell had purchased and the land?

AARRRGH · 08-01-2009 12:06PM

ntlbell wrote: »

Aye wasn't there docco on RTE about two years ago a local polish guy showing the RTE lads around all the plants Dell had purchased and the land?

Yeah, I remember watching something like that...

Dell confirms relocation to Poland

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