Cheating in IPC Galway??

gorfield · 06-01-2009 01:03PM #1

A little birdie told me there was a cheat among us in galway?? And he cashed......big time!!! Anyone hear anything??

smurph · 06-01-2009 01:11PM

there are rumours flying around about this. Due to the serious nature of the whole thing and the money involved etc., I think we should give the lads time to get a statement together etc.,

No point in speculating - but I have no doubt that some statement should and will be released

big_iain · 06-01-2009 01:11PM

i hope you have your facts correct before you start this thread.

I know whom you are talking about but he is a stand up guy. IMO this should be locked or deleted. It is not fair to blame or accuse anyone unless you have proof of what you are saying.

themadchef · 06-01-2009 01:14PM

What kind of cheating? I imagine it would be almost impossible.

themadchef · 06-01-2009 01:17PM

OP has not said who his source is, or who exactly he is accusing of cheating.

He also used the word "us" on his first post

.. Sounds like stirring to me.

gorfield · 06-01-2009 01:17PM

ian i didnt accuse anyone. I only asked did anyone else hear anything as the tourney was stopped to verify the amount of chips in play, and i heard why last night.

big_iain · 06-01-2009 01:28PM

understood Gorfield.

I refer you to smurphs post. Let's not get into it until the organisers come back to us.

Jayminator · 06-01-2009 01:35PM

Popcorn at the ready for this one. Anyhow once again a brand new poster uses their 1st post to stir a bit of dirt.

Is it not common for chip counts to be wrong due to the chip races and chipping up the smaller denominations... Ya know what I mean.

Jayminator · 06-01-2009 01:39PM

gorfield wrote: »

A little birdie told me there was a cheat among us in galway??

Anyhow birdies cant talk so its deffo a lie. Bit like swinging a cat although people never actually swing the cat to see how big a room actually is...Ya Ya you know what i mean.......

Very boring being back at work aint it

JP Poker · 06-01-2009 01:41PM

Jayminator wrote: »

Popcorn at the ready for this one. Anyhow once again a brand new poster uses their 1st post to stir a bit of dirt.

Is it not common for chip counts to be wrong due to the chip races and chipping up the smaller denominations... Ya know what I mean.

+1 Why can't people just come on with their orginal boards account or if you are a new member please state who you are.

SWAR · 06-01-2009 02:06PM

Jayminator wrote: »

Anyhow birdies cant talk so its deffo a lie. Bit like swinging a cat although people never actually swing the cat to see how big a room actually is...Ya Ya you know what i mean.......

Very boring being back at work aint it

Are you somking that stuff again Jay!!!???

On a more serious note, I know this guy has used his first post for a very serious and controversial topic; however I actually heard about this aswel. I have no idea who the person in qestion is supposed to be (nor do I want to know until it is proved to be fact and not fiction, which is what it is at the moment), but I am lead to believe that they have proof, so let's wait and see what happens.

I agree with Smurph on this one, a detailed account of what happened should be published when the matter has been resolved and until that happens I don't think anyone should be speculating.

SWAR · 06-01-2009 02:25PM

Wow, has there just been a few replies to this thread and a seperate thread on the same topic deleted from this section. Watch this space I reckon :eek:

Ste05 · 06-01-2009 02:30PM

The replies and other thread deleted were from DBC.

There'll be NO anonomous naming names or specific allegations, and certainly nothing from DBC will be left up at all.

Fatboydim · 06-01-2009 02:32PM

There is a post on 2+2 about it which is where these rumours have started. The OP was DBC I believe - So at first there seemed to be reasons to doubt.
I left on day one after getting knocked out. Didn't fancy hanging around in orange paint. Then last night I heard from a player who spoke to me about the rumours - He was in Galway all weekend.

The rumour I heard was: A UK based player with the help of a dealer introduced an amount of chips into play.

So that's the rumour.

Now at every break [as far as I am aware] chip counts of all players were taken. So in theory it should be harder for anyone to introduce large amounts of chips. There was controversy of this type in the WSOP a few years back - but here the hint is that it's more serious. Like I have said both here and on 2+2 - I'll find out what I can and publish as long as it is not litigious.

Jayminator · 06-01-2009 02:48PM

SWAR wrote: »

Are you somking that stuff again Jay!!!???

On a more serious note, I know this guy has used his first post for a very serious and controversial topic; however I actually heard about this aswel. I have no idea who the person in qestion is supposed to be (nor do I want to know until it is proved to be fact and not fiction, which is what it is at the moment), but I am lead to believe that they have proof, so let's wait and see what happens.

I agree with Smurph on this one, a detailed account of what happened should be published when the matter has been resolved and until that happens I don't think anyone should be speculating.

Nah John Im just bored in work.

Ya I thought it might have been just from the chip races but obviously its a lot more chips than that. Lets just wait n see.

I just got an abusive PM from a new poster about this and yet I cant reply to his abusive PM. Strange that....

KevIRL · 06-01-2009 02:50PM

Jayminator wrote: »

I just got an abusive PM from a new poster about this and yet I cant reply to his abusive PM. Strange that....

His account was deleted as it was yet another one from DBC

Jayminator · 06-01-2009 02:53PM

For the record. I just received an abusive pm from a ''Dave Wat'' over my posts in this thread. This poster seemed to have also joined in January 2009 but is not accepting PMs when I tried to respond to his message.

Anyhow I wont worry about him. Just letting other posters know of his existence. Maybe a pyscho poster eh to brighten up the place. Yipee.

So to Mr ''Dave Wat'' who has chosen not to acept PMs I urge you not to PM me again and force me to waste time reading ur drivel. Thank you sir.

Jayminator · 06-01-2009 03:01PM

KevIRL wrote: »

His account was deleted as it was yet another one from DBC

Thanks Kev.

Jay

smurph · 06-01-2009 03:28PM

On another matter I think it was a great gesture by Fintan Gavin to add money to the Charity event in lieue of what happened in the Main event.

Hats off sir, and the biggest winner there was the simon community
There was also a reduction for anyone who played the main event could play the Charity event for €100 I believe.

big_iain · 06-01-2009 03:29PM

Fatboydim wrote: »

T
The rumour I heard was: A UK based player with the help of a dealer introduced an amount of chips into play.

It's always the English!

pppspecial · 06-01-2009 03:36PM

OK guys I was there and know this is fact.
1. T.D. Donal stopped the tournament @ approx 2 hrs from end off play day 2 because off 135k in chips added into the current total chip counts.
This had come to light at previous breaks as chip counts were done every 2 hours.
rumours flew around all night that poker events had messed up and this was very bad for Irish poker.

2. Fintain owner off poker events added the missing chips value to the tournament entries for the ME event players at a reduced rate off 100 per player for the charity event and fintain paid the 220 remainder for each player.

3. From what i saw poker events handled the situation very well. compensated everyone that was affected and from what i hear to no fault or wrong doing off there own cost fintain a further 20k+ out off his own pocket.

4. I so want to name and shame this person if the evidence is there as he is a very well known guy and it sickens me that this guy is probably gonna get away with it. it also makes me think how many other times he has got away with it if it is the truth.
Again solid proof will be needed till naming and shaming can be done.

Poker events have done another fantastic job with the IPC and this is such a cooler sceanario for everyone but again fair play to fintain donal and there team who endevoured to make everyone happy at this years IPC. It was a roaring success.

White Knight · 06-01-2009 03:36PM

smurph wrote: »

On another matter I think it was a great gesture by Fintan Gavin to add money to the Charity event in lieue of what happened in the Main event.

Hats off sir, and the biggest winner there was the simon community
There was also a reduction for anyone who played the main event could play the Charity event for €100 I believe.

Why was this done?

smurph · 06-01-2009 03:42PM

White Knight wrote: »

Why was this done?

There was 130k extra in chips in the main event which equates to 13 buy-in x 2K = 26K......

fintan put 20K plus into the charity event......

As per PPPSpecials post above.

Look let's just wait til there is a statement on it. I also feel that Poker events handled it well...... and yes in future there will be more security with chips etc.,

White Knight · 06-01-2009 03:50PM

Very interesting that they are putting in half the registration fee received from the main event to counteract rumours. Admirable in some ways. Will be interesting to hear the full official story alright. If we hear it.

Brayruit · 06-01-2009 04:02PM

pppspecial wrote: »

4. I so want to name and shame this person if the evidence is there as he is a very well known guy and it sickens me that this guy is probably gonna get away with it. it also makes me think how many other times he has got away with it if it is the truth.
Again solid proof will be needed till naming and shaming can be done.

Hear hear - I have also heard who it is supposed to be, and would be very anxious that people know asap if it is sure and if it is legally possible. BUT I think we need to be very careful, not just for legal reasons, but also the guy deserves to keep his good name unless it is absolutely sure that he is guilty.

Also +1 to the credit to Fintan for his response. I think that it was absolutely the right thing to do

cooker3 · 06-01-2009 04:06PM

I am just going to crosspost what I posted in other thread as it seems kind of apt

I have no idea if the rumours are true in this instance but in doing a lot of these type of events it amazes me if it doesn't happen a lot. This is true of events which uses the same chips over and over again. I could have easily took a ton of 25k chips at the IO last year and sold them off and so on. If I could do it then you know other dealers and staff likely have done it on the QT. There is just not much oversite of people at these events.

Ollieboy · 06-01-2009 04:11PM

pppspecial wrote: »

OK guys I was there and know this is fact.
1. T.D. Donal stopped the tournament @ approx 2 hrs from end off play day 2 because off 135k in chips added into the current total chip counts.
This had come to light at previous breaks as chip counts were done every 2 hours.
rumours flew around all night that poker events had messed up and this was very bad for Irish poker.

2. Fintain owner off poker events added the missing chips value to the tournament entries for the ME event players at a reduced rate off 100 per player for the charity event and fintain paid the 220 remainder for each player.

3. From what i saw poker events handled the situation very well. compensated everyone that was affected and from what i hear to no fault or wrong doing off there own cost fintain a further 20k+ out off his own pocket.

4. I so want to name and shame this person if the evidence is there as he is a very well known guy and it sickens me that this guy is probably gonna get away with it. it also makes me think how many other times he has got away with it if it is the truth.
Again solid proof will be needed till naming and shaming can be done.

Poker events have done another fantastic job with the IPC and this is such a cooler sceanario for everyone but again fair play to fintain donal and there team who endevoured to make everyone happy at this years IPC. It was a roaring success.

totally agree with this and fair play to Fintan and poker events. There's a not a lot they could do to stop this happen, but I think in future new chips will be need for each event, which will mean increase reg for the rest of us to cover the costs.

A couple of morans ruin it for the rest of us, but I've had a feeling this would happen eventually and I'm sure its happen before. There just to much money involved and far to easy to cheat.

But lets wait for a full statement.

nicnicnic · 06-01-2009 04:20PM

I think the way the situation was handled was commendable. The physical chip management security system was obviously breached. But there was audits in place to identify the breach and the organisers acted swiftly and decisively once the problem was identified. I was very impressed whit how it was handled.

People will argue that there shouldn't of been a problem in the first place but if people are intent on breaking down security it will happen. As northern banks improved there security after they were relieved of 40 million the system in place here will also be improved in future.

I honestly feel Donal and Fintan handled a horrible situation in an exemplary manner and deserve a lot or credit for this.

5starpool · 06-01-2009 04:23PM

I presume it was not possible at the time to remove this player from the event. That would have been the only satisfactory outcome to the matter imo, but if it came down to one persons word against another I presume it would not have been possible to do this.

How could someone add 135k to a stack when over 25 players remain and the average stack would only have been around 100k? Surely this is way too blatant to not be noticed for definite?

Jam-Fly · 06-01-2009 04:39PM

So, as compensation to players in the main event, they added money to a seperate event

I assume, the best way to compensate players would be:
135k chip missing,
roughly equal to 13.5 buy-ins (I assume 10k starting stacks)
therefore, 13.5x2k=€27k added to the main event (the event people got scammed in) seems to be the fairest compensation imo.

I have also heard this to be true, and I think at this stage, it is pretty obvious something dishonest happend. How about we stop being so nice and 'protecting' the parties involved, and look for some answers?

TheBlackThing · 06-01-2009 04:40PM

5starpool wrote: »

I presume it was not possible at the time to remove this player from the event. That would have been the only satisfactory outcome to the matter imo, but if it came down to one persons word against another I presume it would not have been possible to do this.

How could someone add 135k to a stack when over 25 players remain and the average stack would only have been around 100k? Surely this is way too blatant to not be noticed for definite?[/QUOTE]

From what I understand the chips were introduced gradually and not at one time. I believe it was noticed at one break that the chips didn't tally and the next break the discrepency was greater. That was the talk down there at the weekend but again just rumours between the players.

Cheating in IPC Galway??

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