Cheating in IPC Galway??

gorfield

A little birdie told me there was a cheat among us in galway?? And he cashed......big time!!! Anyone hear anything??

smurph

there are rumours flying around about this. Due to the serious nature of the whole thing and the money involved etc., I think we should give the lads time to get a statement together etc.,

No point in speculating - but I have no doubt that some statement should and will be released

big_iain

i hope you have your facts correct before you start this thread.

I know whom you are talking about but he is a stand up guy. IMO this should be locked or deleted. It is not fair to blame or accuse anyone unless you have proof of what you are saying.

themadchef

What kind of cheating? I imagine it would be almost impossible.

themadchef

OP has not said who his source is, or who exactly he is accusing of cheating.

He also used the word "us" on his first post .. Sounds like stirring to me.

gorfield

ian i didnt accuse anyone. I only asked did anyone else hear anything as the tourney was stopped to verify the amount of chips in play, and i heard why last night.

big_iain

understood Gorfield.

I refer you to smurphs post. Let's not get into it until the organisers come back to us.

Jayminator

Popcorn at the ready for this one. Anyhow once again a brand new poster uses their 1st post to stir a bit of dirt.

Is it not common for chip counts to be wrong due to the chip races and chipping up the smaller denominations... Ya know what I mean.

Jayminator

gorfield wrote: »

A little birdie told me there was a cheat among us in galway??

Anyhow birdies cant talk so its deffo a lie. Bit like swinging a cat although people never actually swing the cat to see how big a room actually is...Ya Ya you know what i mean.......

Very boring being back at work aint it

JP Poker

Jayminator wrote: »

Popcorn at the ready for this one. Anyhow once again a brand new poster uses their 1st post to stir a bit of dirt.

Is it not common for chip counts to be wrong due to the chip races and chipping up the smaller denominations... Ya know what I mean.

+1 Why can't people just come on with their orginal boards account or if you are a new member please state who you are.

SWAR

Jayminator wrote: »

Anyhow birdies cant talk so its deffo a lie. Bit like swinging a cat although people never actually swing the cat to see how big a room actually is...Ya Ya you know what i mean.......

Very boring being back at work aint it

Are you somking that stuff again Jay!!!???

On a more serious note, I know this guy has used his first post for a very serious and controversial topic; however I actually heard about this aswel. I have no idea who the person in qestion is supposed to be (nor do I want to know until it is proved to be fact and not fiction, which is what it is at the moment), but I am lead to believe that they have proof, so let's wait and see what happens.

I agree with Smurph on this one, a detailed account of what happened should be published when the matter has been resolved and until that happens I don't think anyone should be speculating.

SWAR

Wow, has there just been a few replies to this thread and a seperate thread on the same topic deleted from this section. Watch this space I reckon :eek:

Ste05

The replies and other thread deleted were from DBC.

There'll be NO anonomous naming names or specific allegations, and certainly nothing from DBC will be left up at all.

Fatboydim

There is a post on 2+2 about it which is where these rumours have started. The OP was DBC I believe - So at first there seemed to be reasons to doubt.
I left on day one after getting knocked out. Didn't fancy hanging around in orange paint. Then last night I heard from a player who spoke to me about the rumours - He was in Galway all weekend.

The rumour I heard was: A UK based player with the help of a dealer introduced an amount of chips into play.

So that's the rumour.

Now at every break [as far as I am aware] chip counts of all players were taken. So in theory it should be harder for anyone to introduce large amounts of chips. There was controversy of this type in the WSOP a few years back - but here the hint is that it's more serious. Like I have said both here and on 2+2 - I'll find out what I can and publish as long as it is not litigious.

Jayminator

SWAR wrote: »

Are you somking that stuff again Jay!!!???

On a more serious note, I know this guy has used his first post for a very serious and controversial topic; however I actually heard about this aswel. I have no idea who the person in qestion is supposed to be (nor do I want to know until it is proved to be fact and not fiction, which is what it is at the moment), but I am lead to believe that they have proof, so let's wait and see what happens.

I agree with Smurph on this one, a detailed account of what happened should be published when the matter has been resolved and until that happens I don't think anyone should be speculating.

Nah John Im just bored in work.

Ya I thought it might have been just from the chip races but obviously its a lot more chips than that. Lets just wait n see.

I just got an abusive PM from a new poster about this and yet I cant reply to his abusive PM. Strange that....

KevIRL

Jayminator wrote: »

I just got an abusive PM from a new poster about this and yet I cant reply to his abusive PM. Strange that....

His account was deleted as it was yet another one from DBC

Jayminator

For the record. I just received an abusive pm from a ''Dave Wat'' over my posts in this thread. This poster seemed to have also joined in January 2009 but is not accepting PMs when I tried to respond to his message.

Anyhow I wont worry about him. Just letting other posters know of his existence. Maybe a pyscho poster eh to brighten up the place. Yipee.

So to Mr ''Dave Wat'' who has chosen not to acept PMs I urge you not to PM me again and force me to waste time reading ur drivel. Thank you sir.

Jayminator

KevIRL wrote: »

His account was deleted as it was yet another one from DBC

Thanks Kev.

Jay

smurph

On another matter I think it was a great gesture by Fintan Gavin to add money to the Charity event in lieue of what happened in the Main event.

Hats off sir, and the biggest winner there was the simon community
There was also a reduction for anyone who played the main event could play the Charity event for €100 I believe.

big_iain

Fatboydim wrote: »

T
The rumour I heard was: A UK based player with the help of a dealer introduced an amount of chips into play.

It's always the English!

pppspecial

OK guys I was there and know this is fact.
1. T.D. Donal stopped the tournament @ approx 2 hrs from end off play day 2 because off 135k in chips added into the current total chip counts.
This had come to light at previous breaks as chip counts were done every 2 hours.
rumours flew around all night that poker events had messed up and this was very bad for Irish poker.

2. Fintain owner off poker events added the missing chips value to the tournament entries for the ME event players at a reduced rate off 100 per player for the charity event and fintain paid the 220 remainder for each player.

3. From what i saw poker events handled the situation very well. compensated everyone that was affected and from what i hear to no fault or wrong doing off there own cost fintain a further 20k+ out off his own pocket.

4. I so want to name and shame this person if the evidence is there as he is a very well known guy and it sickens me that this guy is probably gonna get away with it. it also makes me think how many other times he has got away with it if it is the truth.
Again solid proof will be needed till naming and shaming can be done.


Poker events have done another fantastic job with the IPC and this is such a cooler sceanario for everyone but again fair play to fintain donal and there team who endevoured to make everyone happy at this years IPC. It was a roaring success.

White Knight

smurph wrote: »

On another matter I think it was a great gesture by Fintan Gavin to add money to the Charity event in lieue of what happened in the Main event.

Hats off sir, and the biggest winner there was the simon community
There was also a reduction for anyone who played the main event could play the Charity event for €100 I believe.

Why was this done?

smurph

White Knight wrote: »

Why was this done?

There was 130k extra in chips in the main event which equates to 13 buy-in x 2K = 26K......

fintan put 20K plus into the charity event......

As per PPPSpecials post above.


Look let's just wait til there is a statement on it. I also feel that Poker events handled it well...... and yes in future there will be more security with chips etc.,

White Knight

Very interesting that they are putting in half the registration fee received from the main event to counteract rumours. Admirable in some ways. Will be interesting to hear the full official story alright. If we hear it.

Brayruit

pppspecial wrote: »

4. I so want to name and shame this person if the evidence is there as he is a very well known guy and it sickens me that this guy is probably gonna get away with it. it also makes me think how many other times he has got away with it if it is the truth.
Again solid proof will be needed till naming and shaming can be done.

Hear hear - I have also heard who it is supposed to be, and would be very anxious that people know asap if it is sure and if it is legally possible. BUT I think we need to be very careful, not just for legal reasons, but also the guy deserves to keep his good name unless it is absolutely sure that he is guilty.

Also +1 to the credit to Fintan for his response. I think that it was absolutely the right thing to do

cooker3

I am just going to crosspost what I posted in other thread as it seems kind of apt

I have no idea if the rumours are true in this instance but in doing a lot of these type of events it amazes me if it doesn't happen a lot. This is true of events which uses the same chips over and over again. I could have easily took a ton of 25k chips at the IO last year and sold them off and so on. If I could do it then you know other dealers and staff likely have done it on the QT. There is just not much oversite of people at these events.

Ollieboy

pppspecial wrote: »

OK guys I was there and know this is fact.
1. T.D. Donal stopped the tournament @ approx 2 hrs from end off play day 2 because off 135k in chips added into the current total chip counts.
This had come to light at previous breaks as chip counts were done every 2 hours.
rumours flew around all night that poker events had messed up and this was very bad for Irish poker.

2. Fintain owner off poker events added the missing chips value to the tournament entries for the ME event players at a reduced rate off 100 per player for the charity event and fintain paid the 220 remainder for each player.

3. From what i saw poker events handled the situation very well. compensated everyone that was affected and from what i hear to no fault or wrong doing off there own cost fintain a further 20k+ out off his own pocket.

4. I so want to name and shame this person if the evidence is there as he is a very well known guy and it sickens me that this guy is probably gonna get away with it. it also makes me think how many other times he has got away with it if it is the truth.
Again solid proof will be needed till naming and shaming can be done.


Poker events have done another fantastic job with the IPC and this is such a cooler sceanario for everyone but again fair play to fintain donal and there team who endevoured to make everyone happy at this years IPC. It was a roaring success.

totally agree with this and fair play to Fintan and poker events. There's a not a lot they could do to stop this happen, but I think in future new chips will be need for each event, which will mean increase reg for the rest of us to cover the costs.

A couple of morans ruin it for the rest of us, but I've had a feeling this would happen eventually and I'm sure its happen before. There just to much money involved and far to easy to cheat.

But lets wait for a full statement.

nicnicnic

I think the way the situation was handled was commendable. The physical chip management security system was obviously breached. But there was audits in place to identify the breach and the organisers acted swiftly and decisively once the problem was identified. I was very impressed whit how it was handled.

People will argue that there shouldn't of been a problem in the first place but if people are intent on breaking down security it will happen. As northern banks improved there security after they were relieved of 40 million the system in place here will also be improved in future.

I honestly feel Donal and Fintan handled a horrible situation in an exemplary manner and deserve a lot or credit for this.

5starpool

I presume it was not possible at the time to remove this player from the event. That would have been the only satisfactory outcome to the matter imo, but if it came down to one persons word against another I presume it would not have been possible to do this.

How could someone add 135k to a stack when over 25 players remain and the average stack would only have been around 100k? Surely this is way too blatant to not be noticed for definite?

Jam-Fly

So, as compensation to players in the main event, they added money to a seperate event

I assume, the best way to compensate players would be:
135k chip missing,
roughly equal to 13.5 buy-ins (I assume 10k starting stacks)
therefore, 13.5x2k=€27k added to the main event (the event people got scammed in) seems to be the fairest compensation imo.


I have also heard this to be true, and I think at this stage, it is pretty obvious something dishonest happend. How about we stop being so nice and 'protecting' the parties involved, and look for some answers?

TheBlackThing

5starpool wrote: »

I presume it was not possible at the time to remove this player from the event. That would have been the only satisfactory outcome to the matter imo, but if it came down to one persons word against another I presume it would not have been possible to do this.

How could someone add 135k to a stack when over 25 players remain and the average stack would only have been around 100k? Surely this is way too blatant to not be noticed for definite?[/QUOTE]


From what I understand the chips were introduced gradually and not at one time. I believe it was noticed at one break that the chips didn't tally and the next break the discrepency was greater. That was the talk down there at the weekend but again just rumours between the players.

TheBlackThing

Jam-Fly wrote: »

So, as compensation to players in the main event, they added money to a seperate event

I assume, the best way to compensate players would be:
135k chip missing,
roughly equal to 13.5 buy-ins (I assume 10k starting stacks)
therefore, 13.5x2k=€27k added to the main event (the event people got scammed in) seems to be the fairest compensation imo.


I have also heard this to be true, and I think at this stage, it is pretty obvious something dishonest happend. How about we stop being so nice and 'protecting' the parties involved, and look for some answers?

The side event was the charity event run by Padraig Parkinson. I know that every player I talked to was happy because it went to a good charity and the majority of players who stayed the full weekend had intended playing this event anyway. And as a way of compensating the players, anybody who took part in the main event had their entry to the charity event reduced to 100 euro.

Jayminator

5starpool wrote: »

I presume it was not possible at the time to remove this player from the event. That would have been the only satisfactory outcome to the matter imo, but if it came down to one persons word against another I presume it would not have been possible to do this.

Tv cameras there Dom and maybe saving face until the player was eliminated and then question him / her. Maybe a decision was made not to remove the player for the future reputation of what has been a great festival of poker over the last couple of years.

That said.........I must actually play this some day

connie147

Jam-Fly wrote: »

So, as compensation to players in the main event, they added money to a seperate event

I assume, the best way to compensate players would be:
135k chip missing,
roughly equal to 13.5 buy-ins (I assume 10k starting stacks)
therefore, 13.5x2k=€27k added to the main event (the event people got scammed in) seems to be the fairest compensation imo.






How could that be the fairest way? Is it not possible that the guy with all the extra chips could finish up benefitting by winning the extra money put in the event?
The fairest way out of this is to hopefully name and shame the culprip. But circumstantial evidence isnt enough, proof will be needed and if there wasnt enough proof to remove the player from the tourney, then there probably isnt enough proof to name and shame.

It was a fantastic gesture to add that money to the charity event.
Congratz to Fintan and Poker Events for the gesture.

Connie

ollyk1

I don't know anything about the facts in this case but I just wanted to make two general comments based on what I've read today.

1. The integrity of live games has always been very poor and especially in tournaments where the organisers in a perverse were incentivised to ignore and not discover wrong doing (as it only brings trouble on their heads). This tournament had people involved who actually acted for the players interest from what I can see. It raises more questions for other organisers then for Poker events from what I've read. How can it be possible that something like this where a player is cheating every player in the field is only highlighted now? And why are we shooting the messengers here?

2. It only takes one incorrect rumour to ruin a mans and a companies reputation forever. We should bear that in mind.

kakak1

fcuking knew it all along, live poker is rigged :eek:

Jayminator

kakak1 wrote: »

fcuking knew it all along, live poker is rigged :eek:

+1. Deffo

brady23

Look da bottom line is this was a disgrace a very close friend of mine was on da table wit da player in question dis player who is bein accused somehow managed to lose his small and big blind in 3 consecutive rounds of betting i believe da blinds werr 2k 4k or 3k 6k da therefore culminating to somewher between 18k and 27k andfrom a stackin da region of 40k or 50k but somehow managed to hav 40k to 50k without playin a hand and den went on to finish wit a very big payday

bohsman

TheBlackThing wrote: »

5starpool wrote: »

How could someone add 135k to a stack when over 25 players remain and the average stack would only have been around 100k? Surely this is way too blatant to not be noticed for definite?[/QUOTE]


From what I understand the chips were introduced gradually and not at one time. I believe it was noticed at one break that the chips didn't tally and the next break the discrepency was greater. That was the talk down there at the weekend but again just rumours between the players.

Also some chips would have been added from chipping up.

Enzo Scifo

KevIRL wrote: »

His account was deleted as it was yet another one from DBC

Who or what is DBC (or should I ask?):o

toHex

Fatboydim wrote: »

The rumour I heard was: A UK based player with the help of a dealer introduced an amount of chips into play.

So that's the rumour.

Len, Conor here. If that is the rumour, then I can categorically state now that it is false. There was a different incident involving a dealer that was completely unrelated to the main event and that is probably where this is coming from.

For those that don't know me I provided the IT services at the event including the playercard/chipcounting system.

At this point, I'm reluctant to much until the organisers make the official statement which I believe is not far away. Some things that I think I CAN say are:

1. Fact: The chips used in the event were new chips and had not been used in any other event. They were different in colour from previous years' chips and had different markings.

2. Fact: There is absolutely no evidence available at this time that says chips were introduced to the tournament by any specific player.

3. Fact: Money to the value of €28,000 was added to the charity event by Fintan Gavin, the event's operations director. The money was equal in value to a surplus of chips in the Main Event. This information was made available to participating players at the event by way of printed letter distributed at various points in the venue and the same letter was displayed on the TV screens of all players staying in the hotel.

flushje

brady23 wrote: »

Look da bottom line is this was a disgrace a very close friend of mine was on da table wit da player in question dis player who is bein accused somehow managed to lose his small and big blind in 3 consecutive rounds of betting i believe da blinds werr 2k 4k or 3k 6k da therefore culminating to somewher between 18k and 27k andfrom a stackin da region of 40k or 50k but somehow managed to hav 40k to 50k without playin a hand and den went on to finish wit a very big payday

Hold on, what?

The Clamper

I was told about this discrepency early the morning after by one of the management team

I was about to leave the hotel anyway so didnt hang round to hear the rumour mill going into overdrive

I was honestly disgusted, maybe someone that should have been knocked out earlier was still in the tourney and able to damage my stack, maybe they didnt start introducing until late in the day, who knows

i was surprised that it took so long before a thread started

i went out about 50th+ or thereabouts and didnt see anything untowards going on
I as a player, generally would have a fair idea who has what amount of chips at my table and if someone suddenly jumped 10k, i would surely notice, let alone jump 135k

one has to ask, how come not one of the other players at this swine's table didnt notice a stack growing instead of dwindling?

naturally this bastard could call marginal hands hoping to catch a flop and not have to worry about reducing chips

I have no idea who it is that people are talking about, but going on these posts, every player that cashed is now under suspicion, feckin disgraceful

It is regrettable that some cheatin bastardo has tarnished the whole event, i feel sorry for the organisors having done their very best to run a magnificient event, fair play to them for the way it was handled and for Fintan making that generous gesture etc, i am sorry i couldnt stay now and would have had a cheapo entry, not that it makes up for the slur on everyone who worked so hard to make the event great

if they know who it is and have deffo cast iron proof, then and only then can they even hint as to who it was or start talking about who it wasnt, leaving themselves open to slander etc terrible position to be placed in

it would be nice to see a cheatin swine exposed, named and shamed, banned from every poker room and players refusing to sit at the same table as the fecker, forever. Lord knows its hard enough to win these things without someone stealing from you aswell

chip races and chipping up will of course accont for chips being upped in every event, but 135k, jaysus thats an awful lot, or maybe its just a hanhdful grabbed in a moment of sheer madness 27 x 5k chips, but to be tempted to use them, did the individual honestly think nobody would notice?

apart from this crazyness (one swine ruining an otherwise super event), the event was very well run / managed and fair play to Fintan and Donal for a great event, very professional, count me in for next year lads

as usual. every event organisor learns something from every event and makes the next one better and better for evenyone

there is a lesson here for all organisors for sure, myself included

ps. someone suggested new chips for every event, spiralling yet another cost, security is the answer and more of it, maybe camers focussed on the chips, recording the handouts etc


derek

jbravado

This is not the first time that this has happened in a tournament. I think it should be stressed that it was actually dealt with as well as possible, infact it was only because everything was organised as it was that it was spotted almost immediatley. The money added to the Simon game seemed to be well recieved by the players and to be fair was a great gesture.Unless there is 100% indisputable evidence it is an almost impossible sitaution to deal with because of legal ramifications.

SpencerJames

I mentioned in my blog about this situation. Its a very serious situation and play was stopped on saturday night because 137,000 extra chips were in play. I asked could this of been sue to people not registered or something like that, i was told that the do chip counts at every break and that there was a gradual increase after level 7.

I was concerned as I was still in the tournamnet and I was told on sunday morning that they had been up reviewing chips and chip stacks all night. They were confidet that they had the general area where the chips were being brought in. However play would resume and they would look at security footage from outside the tables to see how they chips were brought in.

After I was eliminated,high up sources told me that they were 100% sure who it was. They had caught a dealer the previous night palmin chips at the cash tables. They asked the dealer to refund all he took for all nights and they would take no action against him. They checked this dealers background and found out he had a history of selling tournament chips. As i currently understand there is too big a coincidence here and they are talking to the dealer and trying to get him/ her to help with the situation. Obviously the player has denied it, but I understand his money has been withheld for a period.

Fatboydim

toHex wrote: »

Len, Conor here. If that is the rumour, then I can categorically state now that it is false. There was a different incident involving a dealer that was completely unrelated to the main event and that is probably where this is coming from.

For those that don't know me I provided the IT services at the event including the playercard/chipcounting system.

At this point, I'm reluctant to much until the organisers make the official statement which I believe is not far away. Some things that I think I CAN say are:

1. Fact: The chips used in the event were new chips and had not been used in any other event. They were different in colour from previous years' chips and had different markings.

2. Fact: There is absolutely no evidence available at this time that says chips were introduced to the tournament by any specific player.

3. Fact: Money to the value of €28,000 was added to the charity event by Fintan Gavin, the event's operations director. The money was equal in value to a surplus of chips in the Main Event. This information was made available to participating players at the event by way of printed letter distributed at various points in the venue and the same letter was displayed on the TV screens of all players staying in the hotel.

Cheers Conor.

callo

what a horrible slur on a brilliantly run tournament credit to donal for noticing the discrepincy in the chip counts with 3 tables remaining and credit to fintan for the way he dealt with the situation, as far as i know the organisers are aware off WHOM the extra chips that were introduced to the tournament came from AND I HOPE THE LITTLE F..... CRAWLS UNDER A ROCK AND DOSENT SHOW HIS FACE on the poker scene again but proving who he gave them to for certain is another story. Hopefully the organisers will learn from this situation and put procedures into place to stop this happening in the future and also other tournament organisers can also benifit from this unfortunate incident. As we all know people " where theres money at stake theres always someone out there willing to try by any means to steal it" .As for the player or players involved he or they are scum ruining a great tournament.
on a more positive note what a great weekend great structured tournaments and great crack the radison is a great hotel and the athmosphere was brilliant cant wait for next year.

toHex

SpencerJames wrote: »

They had caught a dealer the previous night palmin chips at the cash tables. They asked the dealer to refund all he took for all nights and they would take no action against him.

This is true.

SpencerJames wrote: »

They checked this dealers background and found out he had a history of selling tournament chips. As i currently understand there is too big a coincidence here and they are talking to the dealer and trying to get him/ her to help with the situation. Obviously the player has denied it, but I understand his money has been withheld for a period.

This is not true. The dealer in question did not have any history of selling tournament chips that is known of, and all players who cashed in the event got paid.

Fatboydim

I can give some definitive answers now to the events that happened over the weekend:

In a separate incident on the cash tables a dealer was caught palming cash chips. This person has denied being involved with the cheating that “Definitely” went on in the Main Event. The dealer concerned has been dealt with accordingly.

Now in the main event there is no doubt that chips were added to play. The chip counts of each player were noted at two hour intervals. Donal noted the first discrepancy at the break on Day Two around the six o’clock break. The anomaly was relatively small at the time and after consultation it was felt that this may be down to human error on previous counts. However when this amount increased slightly by the next break there was serious concern, but again the amount was relatively small and might be accounted for by human error. At around ten o’clock there was no longer any doubt chips were being brought into play. A meeting was held with all the principal organisers involved – Party Poker – Pokerevents – The TV people and TD. Various options were discussed, but no one had been in this situation before. These anomalies are not that rare – In fact it was down to Conor’s system of tracking chip counts – that this was detected so early. It was decided to keep on playing until the next break, when a thorough chip count could be made. The €5k chips were removed from play as these seemed to be the chips causing the problem. In the meantime CCTV footage, TV table footage and security was all brought under scrutiny. By midnight play was called to a halt and the definitive chip count was undertaken with Donal personally counting every stack. A player’s stack was identified that seemed to increase without playing a hand. This player was spoken too and claimed his chips had been miscounted. There was an anomaly with his chips, but not to the amount claimed. Despite all the surveillance footage that was looked at, legally it’s not provable that this particular player or any other individual did anything wrong. All remaining players were informed of the discrepancy by way of the following letter or were spoken to…

Sadly, we the organisers of the Irish Poker Championship have discovered that extra chips were brought into play during the main event late on day 2.
As a gesture of goodwill and appreciation to all participants in the IPC Main Event, €28,000 has been donated by the event organisers to the prizepool for the charity event at 9pm tonight.
The buy-in for the charity event is €330.
For the first 122 main event participants who register for the tournament, €230 will be paid by the event organisers and €100 will be paid by the participants.
Registration starts at 6pm.
(If there are less than 122 participants, the difference will be donated to the charity.)

Yours Sincerely,
Fintan Gavin.
Director of Operations, IPC 2009

and it was decided that the tournament should continue.

It’s hard to argue against this decision. The organisers then put €28k into the charity game to make amends as stated above.

The victims here were clearly the players and the organisers. No doubt lessons have been learnt. There obviously were security issues involving the €5k chips and this is still being looked into. An official statement will be made by the organisers and released soon.

Perhaps it will mean in future a slight inconvenience to players at break times. I would suggest that each player has to sign off his chip count at each break., and indeed for players themselves to be more vigilant.

It’s regrettable, but if anyone wants to sling mud it should be reserved for fraudsters who try to cheat their way into the money.

The Clamper

WHILE I AM SICKENED BY THIS CHEATIN SWINE, I APPRECIATE THE DIFFICULT POSITION THAT THE ORGANISORS FACED HERE

WITHOUT HARD EVIDENCE, THEN THIS ONE WILL PROBABLY GET AWAY OR PEOPLE WOULD END UP GETTING SUED FOR LIBEL

ON A POSITIVE SIDE, LESSONS LEARNED HERE WILL BENEFIT US ALL IN THE FUTURE

I BELIEVE THAT THE INTEREST OF FAIR PLAY WAS GENEROUSLY ADHERED TO BY Fintan AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE EVENT, WHICH WAS OTHERWISE A SUPER TOURNEY AND VERY WELL CHOREOGRAPHED FROM START TO FINISH, WELL DONE LADS

HOPEFULLY, THE SWINE WILL HAVE NO LUCK WITH THE WINNINGS, THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT IN THE END AND THE PLAYER WILL BE BANNED FOREVER FROM EVERY POKER GAME ON THE PLANET

PLAYERS AND TOURNEY ORGANISORS WILL ALL BE MORE VIGILANT IN THE FUTURE FOR SURE

I FEEL FOR THE GUYS THAT WERE STILL IN THE EVENT, THOSE THAT WERE THERE BY THEIR OWN MERITS THAT IS, AS THEY ALL BY DEFAULT, BECOME UNDER SCRUTINY, EVEN THOUGH ITS PROBABLY 1 OR MAYBE 2 ****S WHO CAUSED ALL THIS CRAP

I AM ALMOST GLAD I WAS KNOCKED OUT BEFORE THE FAN WAS HIT

DEREK

carrigeen

i think people should be very careful about saying they know who it is etc , nothing has been proven and any one who puts up a name could (will) be libelling themselves and probably more importantly may be ruining a players reputation without proof.

I know Fintan Donal and the team are looking at everything and are making progress , hopefully will be able to conclusively prove who it is

i sound like a mod :rolleyes: