Israel/gaza/etc ... does anyone really care?

Steve.Pseudonym · 05-01-2009 12:32PM

Dr. Dodger wrote: »

..and I think this should be closed.

Thereby saying people aren't allowed to have a view other than your one. Disagreeing with someone is different from deleting the thread, it's a perfectly valid opinion, I'm sure plenty of people don't care.

meditraitor · 05-01-2009 12:34PM

I care

funloving wrote: »

Israel is "protected" by the USA..this conflict between Isreal and Palestine is much more complicated than it seems and the roots of this conflict are deep.

Its not complicated at all

Isreal was created illegally and since then Isreal has been carrying out a campaign of ethnic cleansing,

The abused has become the abuser, and nothing but a good straightner will make them cop on.....

Simple as that

SEPT 23 1989 · 05-01-2009 12:35PM

the state of Israel has the right to defend itself from Islamic terrorists i think
everyone in the West would agree with this

Ostrom · 05-01-2009 12:35PM

funloving wrote: »

I can't believe you wrote this for real..
I care...and I feel for those losing their loved ones every day,for those children not having food,a shelter or any parents or relatives left..

Some things are beyond our control and so what?
Do you feel bad only for what happens within your backgarden?

I wasnt talking specifically about Israel/Gaza. Of course I care, hold off on the heated comments if you dont have anything more than a line of text to judge

My comment referred to the general trend toward emotive headlines and dramatization in media websites, which his post directly addressed.

The content, presentation and theme of stories is beyond his control, and my point was he shouldnt feel bad about viewer fatigue given how mainstream media manages to make a spectacle of everything, thereby removing impact and any sense of urgency/place/significance in serious issues such as Israel/Gaza

funloving · 05-01-2009 12:36PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

the state of Israel has the right to defend itself from Islamic terrorists i think
everyone in the West would agree with this

maybe you should get more informed...Israel isn't DEFENDING itself..

KamiKazi · 05-01-2009 12:36PM

Couldn't really care less, there's been war in that region all my life and it won't be stopping anytime soon.

Dragan · 05-01-2009 12:37PM

Dr. Dodger wrote: »

I think this thread should be closed and deleted. This is something available all over the world including Israel & Palestine not to mention Ireland where I'm sure some people have family and friend connections with the area. The lack of compassion and the ignorance being shown is shocking.

It's an absolute disgrace, please delete this rubbish.

Hang on a second, someone has a different opinion than you do so you call for thread closure? And that is after you personally abuse someone within the thread?

Reach skyward, you wilting violet.

SEPT 23 1989 · 05-01-2009 12:38PM

funloving wrote: »

maybe you should get more informed...Israel isn't DEFENDING itself..

so who is firing rockets at them?

Dr. Dodger · 05-01-2009 12:40PM

I just THINK that this thread is letting down boards in general. I'm not saying you're all not entitled to your opinion, I'm just saying maybe this is not the place to be condemning the deaths of women & children in their hundreds iin Gaza...

I hope the rest of the world isn't as heartless if something terrible happens on this side of Europe.

funloving · 05-01-2009 12:42PM

efla wrote: »

I wasnt talking specifically about Israel/Gaza. Of course I care, hold off on the heated comments if you dont have anything more than a line of text to judge

My comment referred to the general trend toward emotive headlines and dramatization in media websites, which his post directly addressed.

The content, presentation and theme of stories is beyond his control, and my point was he shouldnt feel bad about viewer fatigue given how mainstream media manages to make a spectacle of everything, thereby removing impact and any sense of urgency/place/significance in serious issues such as Israel/Gaza

I "judged" a line of a text because that's the only thing you wrote...as simple as that!

I said the conflict there is more complicated than what it seems because there are political and economical reasons explaining why the USA stands for Israel too

ps:everybody is allowed to think whatever they want

Canis Lupus · 05-01-2009 12:45PM

Dr. Dodger wrote: »

I'm just saying maybe this is not the place to be condemning the deaths of women & children in their hundreds iin Gaza...

So we should support it then :P

Personally the news is something I pop on as I iron a shirt and wolf down brekkie.

People killing other people is nothing new.

Ostrom · 05-01-2009 12:47PM

funloving wrote: »

I "judged" a line of a text because that's the only thing you wrote...as simple as that!

I said the conflict there is more complicated than what it seems because there are political and economical reasons explaining why the USA stands for Israel too

ps:everybody is allowed to think whatever they want

And rightly so

Your average news article cant possibly grasp the complexity of the conflict, but that is not the point - the original question spoke directly to presentation

funloving · 05-01-2009 12:49PM

this thread is making me think about how some people are anaesthetized to the death now

Everyday millions of people die of war,starvation etc and it's nothing shocking to us anymore...we are so used to hearing these figures...yeah,because these are only figures in our minds...

How sad!!!

Dragan · 05-01-2009 12:50PM

Dr. Dodger wrote: »

I just THINK that this thread is letting down boards in general. I'm not saying you're all not entitled to your opinion, I'm just saying maybe this is not the place to be condemning the deaths of women & children in their hundreds iin Gaza...

I hope the rest of the world isn't as heartless if something terrible happens on this side of Europe.

Why? Boards is a place where people can post their opinions. Boards.ie has no official line on anything, it's a place to share your thoughts, that is it.

So, this thread is letting down boards because people can actually post their real opinion?

The Mighty Ken · 05-01-2009 12:51PM

How many of the people that 'care' have actually done anything to show support for the Palestinian people? Whether it be doing relief work in the region or even marching in solidarity in Dublin. I'm guessing a very, very, very small percentage.

Most of you people don't care. You just get emotive on message boards and then you go about your normal, daily life and only really 'care' again when the subject arises and you get to be armchair warriors for a few more mins.

funloving · 05-01-2009 12:52PM

efla wrote: »

And rightly so

Your average news article cant possibly grasp the complexity of the conflict, but that is not the point - the original question spoke directly to presentation

a single sentence can't "possibly grasp the complexity of the conflict"...what a intuition!

Dudess · 05-01-2009 12:53PM

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

How many of the people that 'care' have actually done anything to show support for the Palestinian people? Whether it be doing relief work in the region or even marching in solidarity in Dublin. I'm guessing a very, very, very small percentage.

Most of you people don't care. You just get emotive on message boards and then you go about your normal, daily life and only really 'care' again when the subject arises and you get to be armchair warriors for a few more mins.

+1

I DO get bothered by it, in fact it pisses me off greatly. Israel apologists really piss me off - yes, Hamas are terrorist fanatics and ordinary Israeli people are living in fear... but how can anyone justify Israel's repression of the Palestinians?

Same time though, if any of us REALLY cared, we'd be out there helping the Palestinians - like Caoimhe Butterly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caoimhe_Butterly or the late Rachel Corrie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie.

funloving · 05-01-2009 12:54PM

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

How many of the people that 'care' have actually done anything to show support for the Palestinian people? Whether it be doing relief work in the region or even marching in solidarity in Dublin. I'm guessing a very, very, very small percentage.

Most of you people don't care. You just get emotive on message boards and then you go about your normal, daily life and only really 'care' again when the subject arises and you get to be armchair warriors for a few more mins.

I did marching in solidarity but not in Dublin but in Italy...and I can't stand those "armchair warriors" as you called them too
I have nothing against any peoples..I condemn the decisions made by the governs..

racism is always a crime

Steve.Pseudonym · 05-01-2009 12:56PM

funloving wrote: »

this thread is making me think about how some people are anaesthetized to the death now

Everyday millions of people die of war,starvation etc and it's nothing shocking to us anymore...we are so used to hearing these figures...yeah,because these are only figures in our minds...

How sad!!!

No, some people just don't care about people far away who have nothing to do with them or their lives. I don't think that's unreasonable or immoral.

Quazzie · 05-01-2009 12:56PM

Anyone care enough to actually work with the Un in these places....

Thought not!!

Ostrom · 05-01-2009 12:56PM

funloving wrote: »

...what a intuition!

Explain please?

ntlbell · 05-01-2009 12:57PM

Dudess wrote: »

+1

I DO get bothered by it, in fact it pisses me off greatly. Israel apologists really piss me off - yes, Hamas are terrorist fanatics and ordinary Israeli people are living in fear... but how can anyone justify Israel's repression of the Palestinians?

Same time though, if any of us REALLY cared, we'd be out there helping the Palestinians - like Caoimhe Butterly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caoimhe_Butterly or the late Rachel Corrie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie.

So bothered by it and greatly pissed off

but not enough to do anything

so you don't _really_ care at all tbh

toiletduck · 05-01-2009 12:58PM

mike65 wrote: »

Do people care or even know about whats happening in Congo or Zimbabwe? Far greater humanitarian disasters (esp DR Congo) and yet largely off the media map.

But it's not fashionable to get uppity about that. :pac: Even if it has had a massively bigger causality number over the past few years than Israel/Palestinian strife.

Wars or conflicts involving America, Britain or Israel get people emotive and cared. Any others, well they don't matter a toss.

funloving · 05-01-2009 01:00PM

Steve.Pseudonym wrote: »

No, some people just don't care about people far away who have nothing to do with them or their lives. I don't think that's unreasonable or immoral.

isn't immoral..it's just stupid as everything happening in the world has consequences on "us"

do you remember what happened on the 11th /09/2001?
There have been political and economical effects on Europe etc so what are you taking about??

CK.1 · 05-01-2009 01:01PM

danindublin wrote: »

For years every time I go to RTE.ie or BBC news as well as all tv news headlines, always the first story is related to something in the near Middle East and the Israel issue. Now I know the news teams are stuck to write about anything that isn't recession or celebrity based but . . . does anyone really care? It always annoys me that I have to scroll past these stories as if they are just in the way! I honestly would believe that they've been showing the same news footage over and over again on tv for years as it always looks the exact same!

Now am I just a heartless so-and-so or are there others like me other there? Have I missed something here?

I should point out that I'm not a heartless b*****d and I know there's a humanitarian story here but . . .

I am amazed at how heartless Irish people are considering our history. Maybe you are too young to have seen it with your own eyes and don't listen to your history lessons in school???? Also since moving to another country last year my eyes have been opened to how ignorant and closed minded many Irish people really are.

Dudess · 05-01-2009 01:02PM

ntlbell wrote: »

So bothered by it and greatly pissed off

but not enough to do anything

so you don't _really_ care at all tbh

Eh... precisely. That's EXACTLY what I said.

You fail at trying to start an argument...

thelordofcheese · 05-01-2009 01:03PM

ntlbell wrote: »

So bothered by it and greatly pissed off

but not enough to do anything

so you don't _really_ care at all tbh

If dudess (or indeed anyone else on boards) could bring peace to the middle east just like that then they'd probably also be capable of turning water into wine and raising the dead.

Seriously this "HURR DURRR YOU DON'T REALLY CARE" attitude is worse than the people pretending they don't care. it's actively shitting on people who've at least taken an interest in world events by setting up a shitty metric to measure how much people care.

*facepalm*

The Mighty Ken · 05-01-2009 01:04PM

toiletduck wrote: »

But it's not fashionable to get uppity about that.

+1. Absolutely sick to death of it to be honest. DR Congo and Sudan don't really seem to be in fashion at all. Maybe next year Darfur will be the new Gaza Strip and all these loud mouthed, malcontented armchair warriors who 'care' but make no effort to make any difference whatsoever might eventually do something to help. Although I doubt it.

Ostrom · 05-01-2009 01:04PM

Dudess wrote: »

Eh... precisely. That's EXACTLY what I said.

You fail at trying to start an argument...

There isnt much argument going on here anyway.....

ntlbell · 05-01-2009 01:05PM

CK.1 wrote: »

I am amazed at how heartless Irish people are considering our history. Maybe you are too young to have seen it with your own eyes and don't listen to your history lessons in school???? Also since moving to another country last year my eyes have been opened to how ignorant and closed minded many Irish people really are.

As has been said there's a hell of lot worse going on all over the world and it's going on _all_ the time it just doesn't get plastered over sky news every day so no one gives two hoots.

If we're to get up in arms over every single thing that happens sure you would be to depressed to do anything at all.

**** happens.

Israel/gaza/etc ... does anyone really care?

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