Words fail me..

Publin · 01-01-2009 09:11PM

I'm not American. I don't walk on the "sidewalk", or take out the "garbage", or eat "jello". And I sure as hell don't say "soccer". It's football.

Anyway, this is taking away from the real reason for this thread - the outrageous comments made by Cullen.

DSB · 01-01-2009 09:12PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

How have I been hypocritical?

I'd consider it selective Irishness, but then again Irish Celtic fans seem to have complete opposite opinions on what that is than me. And that last sentence isn't meant in a bitchy way.

bobbysands81 · 01-01-2009 09:16PM

Publin wrote: »

I'm not American. I don't walk on the "sidewalk", or take out the "garbage", or eat "jello". And I sure as hell don't say "soccer". It's football.

Anyway, this is taking away from the real reason for this thread - the outrageous comments made by Cullen.

No you're Irish and you're posting in a forum about soccer that is called "Soccer".

I tell you what, look at the full definitions of both soccer and football in a dictionary and see what they say.

bobbysands81 · 01-01-2009 09:20PM

DSB wrote: »

I'd consider it selective Irishness, but then again Irish Celtic fans seem to have complete opposite opinions on what that is than me. And that last sentence isn't meant in a bitchy way.

Great, now explain why it's hypocritical.

DSB · 01-01-2009 09:22PM

Supporting a foreign club, but criticising what you deem to be foreign versions of the wording of that same sport.

bobbysands81 · 01-01-2009 09:29PM

DSB wrote: »

Supporting a foreign club, but criticising what you deem to be foreign versions of the wording of that same sport.

Great (again), but still no explanation of how it's hypocritical. The above is a completely illogical statement. Are you honestly saying that someone who supports a foreign soccer team has no right to make a statement on linguistic signifiers?

By the way, are you sure you're reading (and ergo understanding) my posts properly??? I don't even think I criticised any "foreign" words, I merely put them into their colloquial context.

Publin · 01-01-2009 09:33PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

No you're Irish and you're posting in a forum about soccer that is called "Soccer".

I tell you what, look at the full definitions of both soccer and football in a dictionary and see what they say.

Yeah it's called the "Soccer" forum. I'd imagine everyone who posts on boards.ie isn't Irish though. The dictionary definition may say "soccer" is the correct word to use, but this isn't an English grammar forum and I think most will agree that "football" is what the majority of people in Ireland would say and not "soccer". I know that if I referred to it as soccer, be it with college friends, work friends, family/relatives, school friends etc. I'd probably get a slagging for it.

This debate is incredibly off topic anyway so I'll leave it at this.

bobbysands81 · 01-01-2009 09:36PM

Publin wrote: »

Yeah it's called the "Soccer" forum. I'd imagine everyone who posts on boards.ie isn't Irish though. The dictionary definition may say "soccer" is the correct word to use, but this isn't an English grammar forum and I think most will agree that "football" is what the majority of people in Ireland would say and not "soccer". I know that if I referred to it as soccer, be it with college friends, work friends, family/relatives, school friends etc. I'd probably get a slagging for it.

This debate is incredibly off topic anyway so I'll leave it at this.

Grand, we'll agree to disagree so. Most people I know refer to Gaelic Football as Football and Soccer as Soccer.

More people attend Football games than soccer games so I guess more people use the term Football to refer to Gaelic Football.

SligoBrewer · 01-01-2009 09:45PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Grand, we'll agree to disagree so. Most people I know refer to Gaelic Football as Football and Soccer as Soccer.

More people attend Football games than soccer games so I guess more people use the term Football to refer to Gaelic Football.

But anyways, leaving aside the troll.

Cullen symbolizes Fianna Fáil to a tee. Blatant hypocrites.

bobbysands81 · 01-01-2009 10:11PM

SligoBrewer wrote: »

But anyways, leaving aside the troll.

Cullen symbolizes Fianna Fáil to a tee. Blatant hypocrites.

Sport AND Politics???

But all you guys say they don't mix...

Amazing how someone is labelled a troll even though they are making valid points that can't be refuted.

Also, please stop breaking the rules of the forum.

Pure Cork · 01-01-2009 10:28PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Sport AND Politics???

But all you guys say they don't mix...

Sport and politics do mix. Whether that's good or bad.....

As for the soccer/football debate, I love both sports and I couldn't care less what people call them. I've called association football both "football" and "soccer", and called Gaelic football both "GAA" and "football". As long as people know what sport you're talking about, there isn't a problem.

invincibleirish · 01-01-2009 10:56PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Sport AND Politics???

But all you guys say they don't mix...

Amazing how someone is labelled a troll even though they are making valid points that can't be refuted.

Also, please stop breaking the rules of the forum.

Sport and politics dont mix, when i tell Celtic fans that Bobby Sands was nothing but a patsy whose demise and death was just a cheap PR stunt for a murderous Republican movement it don't go down too well. Truth hurts i guess

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dreamers75 · 01-01-2009 11:13PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Actually it's not.

I believe it's real name is Association Football.

Football in Ireland refers to Gaelic Football.
Football in America refers to American Football.
Football in Australia refers to Australian Rules Football.

All of the above are English speaking countries, yet football in none of the above refers to soccer, thus negating your argument in bold above. Football, in a British context, refers to soccer.

Glasgow Celtic Association Football Club doesnt have the same ring to it. I emailed them to change it, the campaign starts here.

I bet theres a funny team initials when you add in the A somewhere in the world.

Jazzy · 01-01-2009 11:48PM

well done bobbysands. good job ruining a good thread

SantryRed · 02-01-2009 12:52AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Actually it's not.

I believe it's real name is Association Football.

Football in Ireland refers to Gaelic Football.
Football in America refers to American Football.
Football in Australia refers to Australian Rules Football.

All of the above are English speaking countries, yet football in none of the above refers to soccer, thus negating your argument in bold above. Football, in a British context, refers to soccer.

I don't give two fcuks. I'll call it what I want. I don't care about gah so I'll call it football.

bobbysands81 · 02-01-2009 01:09AM

dreamers75 wrote: »

Glasgow Celtic Association Football Club doesnt have the same ring to it. I emailed them to change it, the campaign starts here.

I bet theres a funny team initials when you add in the A somewhere in the world.

Whoosh, you completely missed the point pal.

Gavin "shels" · 02-01-2009 01:11AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Whoosh, you completely missed the point pal.

Like you with this thread.:rolleyes:

bobbysands81 · 02-01-2009 01:16AM

invincibleirish wrote: »

Sport and politics dont mix, when i tell Celtic fans that Bobby Sands was nothing but a patsy whose demise and death was just a cheap PR stunt for a murderous Republican movement it don't go down too well. Truth hurts i guess.

So you claim that sport and politics don't mix and then you make a political point on a sports forum?

bobbysands81 · 02-01-2009 01:23AM

Gavin shels wrote: »

Like you with this thread.:rolleyes:

My first post on this thread was in keeping with the spirit of the thread. It was others who went off-topic, I merely defended myself throughout without resorting to nastiness or name calling, which others have done.

Interestingly you feel the need to pull me up on this and not the other transgressors... I wonder why?

invincibleirish · 02-01-2009 01:26AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

So you claim that sport and politics don't mix and then you make a political point on a sports forum?

Depends on the politics involved really, Minister Cullen has some loopy ideas on the future of Irish Soccerball which is certainly a concern worth discussing. On the otherhand Bobbysands81 somehow i doubt thats your type of politics?

SectionF · 02-01-2009 01:27AM

BS81, I may have missed it, and if I did I apologise, but as far as I can see you have yet to address your trollish dropping of the word 'soccer' from your quotation of my text, which gave you the pretext for this entire piece of junk linguistics.

Your soccer v football malarkey is completely pointless. The game is, of course, validly known as both soccer and football (though I'd wager that most of your Celtic-supporting comrades call it football).

What clearly is not valid is the risible practice, as seen in the Apres Match sketches, of claiming a monopoly on the word as used in a small island off Europe's Atlantic coast. You really do need to develop a sense of perspective.

Jazzy · 02-01-2009 02:22AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

My first post on this thread was in keeping with the spirit of the thread. It was others who went off-topic, I merely defended myself throughout without resorting to nastiness or name calling, which others have done.

Interestingly you feel the need to pull me up on this and not the other transgressors... I wonder why?

nah man, u ruined it. u dont have keep posting. i think ppl got your point quite easily earlier on. stop with the pre tense of being an innocent party

bobbysands81 · 02-01-2009 10:49AM

Jazzy wrote: »

nah man, u ruined it. u dont have keep posting. i think ppl got your point quite easily earlier on. stop with the pre tense of being an innocent party

You're right, I should just take the tripe doled out to me and not bother fighting back. If I'm not innocent then maybe you'd point out the posts where I abuse/attack people?

God forbid someone have an alternative point of view to the clique on here.

stovelid · 02-01-2009 11:02AM

This was proving to be quite an interesting thread, and relatively peaceful too.

To ameliorate bs81's concerns, lets just assume that any time we mention football on a forum dedicated to association football, we are talking about association football unless corrected.

We have got to this point without any mass confusion amongst the regulars here about which sport football refers to, and I'm sure we can continue to do so.

bobbysands81 · 02-01-2009 11:12AM

stovelid wrote: »

This was proving to be quite an interesting thread, and relatively peaceful too.

To ameliorate bs81's concerns, lets just assume that any time we mention football on a forum dedicated to association football, we are talking about association football unless corrected.

We have got to this point without any mass confusion amongst the regulars here about which sport football refers to, and I'm sure we can continue to do so.

Beautifully posted in the "Soccer" forum.

Association football is a type of "football" but not the only type - that is merely my point. I have no problem with you guys continuing to call it "football", nor do I care. I was merely pointing out that the term "football" generally refers to Gaelic Football in this country and not soccer. That's when the clique got all defensive, abusive and turned.

Throughout the world the word "Football" has different localised definitions. In Ireland, Britain, USA and Australia the same word, generally speaking, has 4different meanings. Association Football, in all those 4 places, has only one meaning. Soccer, in all those 4 places, also has only one meaning... and is the name of this forum.

Now as far as I'm concerned nobody has actually disagreed with any of the above facts, yet there is a debate going on here. Why is there a debate? Because certain posters are getting personal and reverting to mud slinging.

Stick to the facts and argue against me if you like but leave the childish name calling and insults out.

CiaranC · 02-01-2009 11:14AM

Jesus, will you just stop posting? This thread is about Martin Cullens comments and the wider perception of football by the Irish public.

bobbysands81 · 02-01-2009 11:14AM

SantryRed wrote: »

I don't give two fcuks. I'll call it what I want. I don't care about gah so I'll call it football.

A childish and base level of debate, a willful ignorance of reality.

Xavi6 · 02-01-2009 11:16AM

SantryRed wrote: »

You are clearly a troll when it comes to anything LOI. Piss off would you?

SligoBrewer wrote: »

But anyways, leaving aside the troll.

Cullen symbolizes Fianna Fáil to a tee. Blatant hypocrites.

Lads, it's against the charter to accuse someone of being a troll so please keep that in mind. Any more of it and there will be infractions, if only to cut out the crap. If you don't like a post then report it.

As for the other nonsense, the name 'soccer', 'football', 'socball' or whatever you want to call it is not the topic here. Quit dragging the thread OT.

SectionF · 02-01-2009 12:18PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I was merely pointing out that the term "football" generally refers to Gaelic Football in this country and not soccer.

Not true.

Daysha · 06-01-2009 02:50AM

I've been reading this thread with genuine interest and while I'm not one to be usually getting into such heated debates like this, I thought I may share the reasons why I've grown out of love with the LOI the past number of years.

Up until I was around 14 years old, I followed Waterford Utd pretty frequently. I didn't go to any away games (apart from the FAI Cup final back in 2004) but I went to a lot of home games whenever I could. While Man Utd will always be my no.1 football club I'd only been over there a few times, so it was nice to get some regular live football in.

But in the past few years, my interest in the club has slowly dwindled and now its been over 3 years since I last went to a match. I still look out for how they're getting on and it's a shame to see them struggling financially, but I'm just not as connected with them as I used to be.

I never really thought about why this happened until I read this thread, and then it slowly dawned on me. I can put it down to two factors mainly, Sky Sports and the GAA.

We only got SS in the household 3 years ago but it was a huge change. Now in the comfort of my living room I could watch the real big clashes like United-Liverpool or United-Arsenal. While it'll probably frustrate you LOI followers to here this, I'm not ashamed to admit it had a huge bearing on my footballing habits. Why pay 5-10 euro to see semi-pro's battle it out on a cold night when I can see two of the best clubs in the world live in my own room?

But probably the no.1 aspect was the GAA. Hear me out with this one. Up until 2002 or so I supported the Waterford hurling team and Waterford Utd pretty much equally. But while my interest in United went down, my love for hurling just grew more and more, to the point where I think I can consider myself to be one of the die-hard supporters, like some of you LOI people are with your own clubs.

It was probably the LOI moving to the summer which put the final nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned. While both teams never played on the same day, I just wasn't able to strongly support both teams in two different sports, and in the end the choice was pretty easy. See a fantastic sport with your local county playing in the Munster Championship in front of crowds of 40,000 on a warm summer sunday, or Waterford Utd vs Monaghan in front of 1,500 on a friday night?

It may hurt to hear, but the fact is I get the best of both worlds. I support my local team up and down the country year in, year out in hurling, and I still strongly follow Man United throughout the season with the possibility of going over to a match once or twice a year.

I don't envy the FAI, it's an unfortunate situation to be in. Many other national leagues don't have the problem of competing with such a strong organization such as the GAA as well as the most watched league in the world just across the sea. Of course the situation is fixable, but I wouldn't be surprised if what I've just described occurred regularly with other former LOI followers the past number of years. But after reading of the situation Finn Harps and Drogheda find themselves in, it's obvious something has to be done very fast before it's too late.

Words fail me..

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