Catholic Church 'cannot be trusted' with the safety of children

Run_to_da_hills · 20-12-2008 10:41AM #1

THE CATHOLIC Church “cannot be trusted to consistently put the safety of children above all other considerations”,

A Catholic diocese left vulnerable children at risk of sexual abuse and even had a policy of giving gardai minimal information about a priest suspected of abuse, a damning report has found.

The report, by a Catholic Church watchdog, slated childcare protection practices in the Diocese of Cloyne, warning that they "alarmingly" failed vulnerable youngsters and left them at risk.

The shocking National Board for Safeguarding Children NBSC report ordered into two separate complaints of clerical child sex abuse in the Diocese of Cloyne found that child protection policies were inadequate, overly focussed on the needs of the accused cleric and inappropriately delayed.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/1220/1229725700760.html?via=mr

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 20-12-2008 10:43AM

in other news, scientists discover wet water!

javaboy · 20-12-2008 10:47AM

How much money was spent on this report? A cursory glance at any newspaper in Ireland over the past 15 years probably would have told you that.

Overheal · 20-12-2008 10:47AM

"Where's your God now, Billy?"

themont85 · 20-12-2008 10:53AM

Oh yipee another priest bashing story, all they ever did in this country was wrong:rolleyes:

Overheal · 20-12-2008 11:07AM

themont85 wrote: »

Oh yipee another priest bashing story, all they ever did in this country was wrong:rolleyes:

but of course. they were preaching religion after all

Galvasean · 20-12-2008 12:04PM

themont85 wrote: »

Oh yipee another priest bashing story, all they ever did in this country was wrong:rolleyes:

Oh yes, if your kids ever get molested I'm sure you'll remember all the nice things the offender did before judging.

RealEstateKing · 20-12-2008 12:09PM

It amazes me that nobody ever talks about the influence of the Churches ridiculous celibacy law on all of this.

It is not natural for any human being to spend his whole life not having sex and never having a loving relationship. If your repress this desire it will simply come out in other ways. This is why there are so many peadophiles in the priesthood.

A natural human desire gets twisted into an unnatural one if you repress it, human psychology, lesson 1.

And amazingly, all because the Medieval Catholic Empire didnt want to have to divide up it's land among the offspring of priests - thus made up some guff about celibacy being God's will.

Zebra3 · 20-12-2008 12:09PM

This is news?

Yet people still go to RC churches and get their kids baptised. :rolleyes:

Biggins · 20-12-2008 12:33PM

Priests are found child too-friendly, well I never!
Next thing you know, Mugabe WILL be found responsible for the state of his country.

The last remaining vestiges of my innocence is now gone.

Terry · 20-12-2008 12:37PM

RealEstateKing wrote: »

It amazes me that nobody ever talks about the influence of the Churches ridiculous celibacy law on all of this.

It is not natural for any human being to spend his whole life not having sex and never having a loving relationship. If your repress this desire it will simply come out in other ways. This is why there are so many peadophiles in the priesthood.

A natural human desire gets twisted into an unnatural one if you repress it, human psychology, lesson 1.

And amazingly, all because the Medieval Catholic Empire didnt want to have to divide up it's land among the offspring of priests - thus made up some guff about celibacy being God's will.

There's no nature where the church is concerned.

javaboy · 20-12-2008 12:47PM

themont85 wrote: »

Oh yipee another priest bashing story, all they ever did in this country was wrong:rolleyes:

You know up until your post, nobody had said that everything the priests did was wrong. The story just says that they can't be trusted entirely, which they can't. Being overly defensive about it just invites ridicule.
:rolleyes:

Davidius · 20-12-2008 02:38PM

RealEstateKing wrote: »

Words

Ah well, if they really had a problem with it they'd join another religion. :pac:

Though would imagine that a lot of priests who are paedophiles were so before ever joining the priesthood. In earlier times there were other motives to joining the priesthood other than to spread God's word.

Besides, how would we be able to fight off demons without the help of priests who sacrifice their lives to try and stop the demon. Sure the demon usually gets them but it's severly weakened by GOD POWAH.

themont85 · 20-12-2008 04:50PM

javaboy wrote: »

You know up until your post, nobody had said that everything the priests did was wrong. The story just says that they can't be trusted entirely, which they can't. Being overly defensive about it just invites ridicule.
:rolleyes:

Of course they can't be trusted entirely but this story is nothing new really, the terrible and brutal past of the church can't be ignored. I thought wrongly it seems and i apologise that this would be another story where a lot of people would latch onto how terrible priests/nuns ect are/were. I wasn't trying to be overly defensive about it but to be fair the vast majority of stories regarding the Church are negative, ignoring the lot of good they have done ie education, aid. BTW i'm agnostic and in my mid 20s and don't have have an close affiliation with the church or anything, I just think people are ott in their views of the church.

Niall09 · 20-12-2008 04:56PM

That Bishop confirmed me :eek:

IRISH RAIL · 20-12-2008 05:01PM

So thats whats wrong with you

AckwelFoley · 20-12-2008 05:05PM

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Biggins · 20-12-2008 05:07PM

Slightly off topic but still relevant (I think), a lot of folk have negative about the church of Rome if only because they still put their priests first, thinking they are above the law of country and constitution!
The same pope that currently sits preaching down to some, constructed an edict that was released to his underlings which stated that sex crimes were to be reported to the church authorities, not to the legal authorities.
It stated that priests were not under pressure to report such thing they find out about, to the law but were to keep it 'in house'.

This 'request' has yet still to be revoked.

Clergy sexual abuse issues were/are handled by the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" - not the Gardi, etc.
Personally, I find this alone disgusting. The veil of in-house secrecy continues!

See section 20/21 here: http://www.votf.org/vineyard/Oct5_2006/bbc.html

Quote from section 22:

There is also an over-riding omission in both the 1962 document and its descendant, the 2001 declaration. Both documents concentrate on prosecuting the alleged offenders and protecting the institutional church from the fallout of public knowledge of the crimes.

Aye, concentrate in 'treating' the offenders 'in-house'. Telling very little to the public and authorities as possible.

More VERY interesting reading here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1530296/Protest-at-BBC-%27attack%27-on-Pope.html

Biggins · 21-12-2008 02:12PM

Dear Gawd, it never ends...

Todays paper:

BISHOP OF CLOYNE John Magee was coming under strong pressure to resign last night as a damning Church report revealed he and his diocese had put children at risk by delaying in reporting clerical sex abuse to gardaí...

Source: http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=80518-qqqx=1.asp

My point is, will they ever kop themselves on!

super_furry · 21-12-2008 02:19PM

The catholic church has zero moral authority in this country anymore because of the behaviour of it's representatives. The fact that this cover-up is still continuing and people are still protecting paedophiles means that catholicism is dying.

lostexpectation · 21-12-2008 03:12PM

mr son of ethics barry andrews isn't looking too good on this, refusing to publish the hse report, there agood article in the tribune that tries to get to the heart of the issue about one hand washing the other

The guy · 21-12-2008 03:14PM

It's bad to see the Church come under fire for the few who were child molesters and the majority who aren't.

super_furry · 21-12-2008 03:18PM

Yes but the church, as a whole, protected those who were abusing children and still are.

Toiletroll · 21-12-2008 03:37PM

Niall09 wrote: »

That Bishop confirmed me :eek:

Was he good?

Toiletroll · 21-12-2008 03:37PM

The guy wrote: »

It's bad to see the Church come under fire for the few who were child molesters and the majority who aren't.

Invert to correct...

Eric Cartman · 21-12-2008 04:10PM

its just got worse since that fr. snyper joined

juuge · 21-12-2008 11:32PM

The guy wrote: »

It's bad to see the Church come under fire for the few who were child molesters and the majority who aren't.

But it was the majority that remained silent that are equally guilty. The molesters are criminals and should be treated as such within the law, simple as that. I doubt if that will ever happen though as the link between the government (fianna fail) and the catholic church is as strong as ever.

bealbocht · 21-12-2008 11:50PM

The guy wrote: »

It's bad to see the Church come under fire for the few who were child molesters and the majority who aren't.

The same church that has been habitualy protecting offenders, and knowingly moving repeat offenders to new parishes.

This attitude is dreadful, "they are not all like that", so ... lets just forget about it...

If you respect what the church "should" stand for, then you should be more keen to see this kind of behaviour removed, and offenders handed over to the police immediately. Delaying tacticts, and "sweeping under the carpet" stuff, makes people accessories to crimes in my book

Overheal · 22-12-2008 01:02AM

snyper wrote: »

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how the hell? theres some ascii on there ive never seen

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-12-2008 01:49AM

Can ANYBODY be trusted with the safety of children...?!

Galvasean · 22-12-2008 02:04AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Can ANYBODY be trusted with the safety of children...?!

Certainly not sexually repressed people in a situation of power/control.

Catholic Church 'cannot be trusted' with the safety of children

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