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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭D-Generate


    Peteee wrote: »
    It should be noted that the fab plant in dublin manufactures 90nm and 65nm chips. (Probably Core2 Duo chips)

    Intel chips have recently moved onto a 45nm manufacturing process for later core2 designs and new i7 chips.

    While FAB plants do indeed cost billions of dollars, they become obsolete very fast. So while the tech may be amazingly advanced, like the chips they make it also goes obsolete extremely quickly, and I'm not sure how expensive it would be to retool the factories.

    Am open to correction on all the above, I'm just extrapolating from what I've seen about the place!

    This is indeed a massive blow for limerick. Knew a few guys who worked there.

    The process lengths do decrease rather quickly but usually the adjustment to the photolithography requires a relatively inexpensive retooling of the manufacturing technique as compared to reestablishing a whole new plant to operate for the new process length. But then again, it still might be cheaper to just uproot and go find another geologically stable place for wafer fabrication. I still think Intel will remain though, the location is good and it does need skilled labour whereas Dell was more a manufacturing line than the highly skilled tech giant that the newspapers and government often portrayed it as. For instance there was some poor chump employed there to transform a flat cardboard box in to a cardboard box ready for packaging. Poor guy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    D-Generate wrote: »
    For instance there was some poor chump employed there to transform a flat cardboard box in to a cardboard box ready for packaging. Poor guy.

    Wouldn't want to be looking for a new just with just that on the CV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭BIRDCAGE1


    D-Generate wrote: »
    it still might be cheaper to just uproot and go find another geologically stable place for wafer fabrication. I still think Intel will remain though, the location is good and it does need skilled labour .


    Its a hard one to call about Intel, they are in the process of building a new plant in china and are also just about to go into full production in another new plant in Isreal.The site in Ireland has three fabs, but one of them is sitting ideal with no manufacturing equipment (an empty room , so to speak), but on the other hand the Irsh sites gives Intel their stepping stone into Western Europe, and there are also the very advantagous taxes reasons for staying here.
    My guess would be that HP (just down the road from Intel ) will go before Intel does.........


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,691 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    The only thing stopping China from having the majority of multinationals locate there is the government. But as soon as the gov there cop to that, the sooner the rest of us are goosed.

    Dell news is awful. Hopefully all if not most people can get employment elsewhere.

    At this crucial time in the downturn we need to be putting as much pressure on Mary Coughlan to secure investment in ireland as much as we are putting pressure on the financial regulator to resign.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    I'm surprised the Dell news isn't all over the papers, no mention of it on www.rte.ie or www.indendent.ie, looks like www.sbpost.ie are the only paper that knows about it... 2,000 job losses in January and now a word???


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Its the start of many things to close come the new year.
    From big businesses to local shops near you.
    I can see many leaving this country again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,100 ✭✭✭✭TestTransmission


    So....anyone with anymore depressing news? Just wat we need before christmas


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭futura123


    jackncoke wrote: »
    So....anyone with anymore depressing news? Just wat we need before christmas
    well rumours that boston scientific in galway is goin to upsticks...... heard that from quite a few friends in galway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭Fozzie Bear


    futura123 wrote: »
    well rumours that boston scientific in galway is goin to upsticks...... heard that from quite a few friends in galway

    I'd be more worried about Thermo King before Boston. Thermo have laid off hundreds of staff this year and their order books are currently empty for the new year. So there is every chance of a 3 day week or week on week off in the new year for the remaining staff. Thermo supply places like C+F Tooling, Byrne Mech, Iggy Maddens and many others with business so there will be a knock on with them no more then if Boston fecks off too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,198 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    Dell has been a good cash cow and the magic carpet ride had to come to and end at some stage.

    My father has been there since 1993 prior to the opening of the manufacturing plant. He will basically, also because of his age, be unemployable because he is a R&D Server designer. There is not much call for that around the Limerick area.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    Browney7 wrote: »
    As for Intel potentially leaving. Not a chance. The amount of capital they have put into their factories here nearly means they can't. The Fabs (fabrication labs) they have are some of the most technologically advanced in the world and the expertise required to operate these is not widely available in cheaper locations.

    We've heard this all before "property market heading for soft landing" .... "banking system is sound" .... blah blah blah. Of course skills are available elsewhere. Google can't even find 100 software people in Dublin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    faceman wrote: »
    At this crucial time in the downturn we need to be putting as much pressure on Mary Coughlan to secure investment in ireland as much as we are putting pressure on the financial regulator to resign.

    LOL. You'll be waiting. She's absolutely useless. People give out about Mary Harney but at least she does something.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    Berty wrote: »
    Dell has been a good cash cow and the magic carpet ride had to come to and end at some stage.

    My father has been there since 1993 prior to the opening of the manufacturing plant. He will basically, also because of his age, be unemployable because he is a R&D Server designer. There is not much call for that around the Limerick area.

    Sorry to hear that. OF course the Govt will tell you he'll be grand ... sure isn't he part of the knowledge economy?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    professore wrote: »
    ...People give out about Mary Harney but at least she does something.
    ...even if it is destroying something useful like a health care system!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Deadzone


    professore wrote: »
    LOL. You'll be waiting. She's absolutely useless. People give out about Mary Harney but at least she does something.

    Yeah, condemns 12 year old girls to death for the sake of a few euro


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,392 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    Peteee wrote: »
    It should be noted that the fab plant in dublin manufactures 90nm and 65nm chips. (Probably Core2 Duo chips)
    I think you mean Kildare ;)

    If the Dell news is confirmed, then that's bad news :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,681 ✭✭✭Chong


    Nothing is confirmed at all.

    Its the same old story that keeps rumbling along.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,790 ✭✭✭cornbb


    Cruijff wrote: »
    Nothing is confirmed at all.

    Its the same old story that keeps rumbling along.

    Yeah, if it was confirmed surely it would be all over the news :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Browney7 wrote: »
    As for Intel potentially leaving. Not a chance. The amount of capital they have put into their factories here nearly means they can't. The Fabs (fabrication labs) they have are some of the most technologically advanced in the world and the expertise required to operate these is not widely available in cheaper locations.
    By the time they're built the Fabs are out of date. It's costly to "redo" the Fabs. Sadly, I'd say the Fabs will become useless in 10 years or less, at the rate they're going.

    professore; One thing that separates us from Isreal: the US doesn't give us massive funding every year.


  • Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    D-Generate wrote: »
    For instance there was some poor chump employed there to transform a flat cardboard box in to a cardboard box ready for packaging. Poor guy.

    I was that chump! (Brief stint after being made redundant from a nearby techsupport / notebook repair centre)

    I was even given the boot at the end of the quarter as I was unskilled. Fortunately I had them read my cv and was moved onto the server line and so on till I found a better job.

    I feel bad for the people facing a christmas knowing that there will be thousands of people around limerick looking for jobs that are none too plentiful.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭themonk


    Ladds was the same thing not reported in september?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I genuinely feel sorry for anyone that resides in Limerick.
    By God they have had an awful time of it this last while.

    I'm sure there must be hundreds wanting to get out of that town right now but can't because who'd want to buy a house there and the owners can't even get the price they paid for their homes, back?

    I can't see (I hope I'm wrong and would be glad to be so) any hope for the town at present.
    Crikey!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,100 ✭✭✭✭TestTransmission


    Biggins wrote: »
    I genuinely feel sorry for anyone that resides in Limerick.
    By God they have had an awful time of it this last while.

    I'm sure there must be hundreds wanting to get out of that town right now but can't because who'd want to buy a house there and the owners can't even get the price they paid for their homes, back?

    I can't see (I hope I'm wrong and would be glad to be so) any hope for the town at present.
    Crikey!

    Ah come on,its not that bad down here. :D and im not even from the place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭Toiletroll


    Peteee wrote: »
    It should be noted that the fab plant in dublin manufactures 90nm and 65nm chips. (Probably Core2 Duo chips)

    Intel chips have recently moved onto a 45nm manufacturing process for later core2 designs and new i7 chips.

    While FAB plants do indeed cost billions of dollars, they become obsolete very fast. So while the tech may be amazingly advanced, like the chips they make it also goes obsolete extremely quickly, and I'm not sure how expensive it would be to retool the factories.

    Am open to correction on all the above, I'm just extrapolating from what I've seen about the place!

    This is indeed a massive blow for limerick. Knew a few guys who worked there.

    I cannot find it now, but will keep searching. I read not so long ago that Intel Dublin WILL NOT be getting the new chipset contract.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,340 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Toiletroll wrote: »
    I cannot find it now, but will keep searching. I read not so long ago that Intel Dublin WILL NOT be getting the new chipset contract.
    I remember reading that some where as well. I can't remember where tho. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,920 ✭✭✭ongarite


    Toiletroll wrote: »
    I cannot find it now, but will keep searching. I read not so long ago that Intel Dublin WILL NOT be getting the new chipset contract.

    Thats true. Intel Israel got the new process (32nm) leaving Intel Ireland in a bad position. There will be redundancies early in the New Year, arounnd 250 people from what I've heard.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    professore wrote: »
    LOL. You'll be waiting. She's absolutely useless.

    Indeed (except for the Harney bit)...when I was listening to this on the news this morning it mentioned Coughlan and that other waster O'Dea had headed over to a meeting at Dell HQ in Texas to try and secure the future of the plant. IMO it was what probably sealed the fate of the factory. :pac:

    Seriously though, my sympathies to anyone affected by this if/when it goes ahead...last thing the region needed...


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