Bye bye Dell...

Darragh29

http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=NEWS-qqqs=news-qqqid=38366-qqqx=1.asp

Karoma

Are you lost? Looking for digg or reddit or something? Regional forum? What's your point?

jaffa20

2000 jobs :eek:

Adam

Karoma wrote: »

Are you lost? Looking for digg or reddit or something? Regional forum? What's your point?

+1

anyone can read the news, not that this is news really, it was feared for quite some time now. and who can blame them? they all have lovely bottoms.

futura123

great start to the new year........ 2008 will seem like a year long holiday compared to whats coming

craiginireland

will the last person out of the country please turn the lights off (if we had enough money to pay the esb bill)

Mr. Incognito

And you thought the crime was bad in Limerick before..........

Orion

It has kind of been expected but that's bad news for Limerick. On the other hand it's only Limerick so it's not all bad

Sharpshooter

Darragh29 wrote: »

http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=NEWS-qqqs=news-qqqid=38366-qqqx=1.asp

OK , I see what you did there , you posted without swearing.;)

futura123

any potentially good news for the economy people........... gettin depressed here:(

RoundyMooney

Jesus.

Sympathies to those who will be affected

Guy:Incognito

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Jesus.

Sympathies to those who will be affected

That'll be everyone so. Knock on effect of this and all the other jobs lost will be huge.

RoundyMooney

craiginireland wrote: »

will the last person out of the country please turn the lights off (if we had enough money to pay the esb bill)

Some of my colleagues remember a time when every second street light was turned off in order to save juice and standing charges from the local authorities. Madness.

stekelly: I think some people on this thread are in mourning already

nkay1985

I reckon that's the biggest hit yet, yeah? One or the largest manufacturing operations in Ireland gone. And one of the only large employers in Limerick. This was feared ever before the economic crisis hit but that doesn't make it any easier on the families affected.

Sqaull20

Will Intel be next then?

This is huge

OPENROAD

Bad news for those effected say their will be lots more in 2009 as Ireland has become too expensive to do business in.

futura123

i just read that 15 thousand jobs indirectly linked to dell

D-Generate

Was working near Dell during the summer for another large tech multinational. Dooradoyle/Raheen area is going to have a hella lot of vacant houses in the next few months. I would anticipate that this could cause Banta and Flextronics to shut up shop in Raheen Ind. Estate too since they are suppliers to Dell. So more job losses on the way for Limerick!

pipsqueak

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Will Intel be next then?

This is huge

intel has 5000 plus, they couldnt just up and leave to start somewhere else . could they? would take ages !

futura123

not beyond the realms of possibility that intel wud scale back

cornbb

Shyte, thats terrible news there are not many families in Limerick that won't be directly or indirectly affected by this.

Jonathan

I had known this was coming..

Sqaull20

D-Generate wrote: »

Was working near Dell during the summer for another large tech multinational. Dooradoyle/Raheen area is going to have a hella lot of vacant houses in the next few months. I would anticipate that this could cause Banta and Flextronics to shut up shop in Raheen Ind. Estate too since they are suppliers to Dell. So more job losses on the way for Limerick!

Yeah ,the chain reaction could start almost immediately.Its going to get very messy.

Ardscoil Ris

Come on lads! Off to Poland lets give them a taste of their own medicine

Browney7

Its been coming but this is a devastating blow for Limerick. I'd say there is not one family in the county that hasn't had someone working for Dell at some stage down through the years. Limerick won't be the same again:(

As for Intel potentially leaving. Not a chance. The amount of capital they have put into their factories here nearly means they can't. The Fabs (fabrication labs) they have are some of the most technologically advanced in the world and the expertise required to operate these is not widely available in cheaper locations.

ejmaztec

Ardscoil Ris wrote: »

Come on lads! Off to Poland lets give them a taste of their own medicine

Boards.pl will have thousands of threads moaning about the foreigners coming in and taking their jobs, not to mention one thread about hot Irish women. :P

ShooterSF

ejmaztec wrote: »

Boards.pl will have thousands of threads moaning about the foreigners coming in and taking their jobs, not to mention one thread about hot Irish women. :P

But then the poor mods in the braille forum will have to move it to AH.

RoundyMooney

ejmaztec wrote: »

...one thread about hot Irish women. :P

Started by an Irish lad.

In English rather than Polish.

ejmaztec

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Started by an Irish lad.

In English rather than Polish.

Definitely a man of vision.

Is there a sinkingship.ie?

Ardscoil Ris

Ah well if I take a positive look at things it means I won't have to get a job this summer, because their won't be any, and I can sit at home all day watching TV and playing with my balls. Happy days!

Peteee

Browney7 wrote: »

As for Intel potentially leaving. Not a chance. The amount of capital they have put into their factories here nearly means they can't. The Fabs (fabrication labs) they have are some of the most technologically advanced in the world and the expertise required to operate these is not widely available in cheaper locations.

It should be noted that the fab plant in dublin manufactures 90nm and 65nm chips. (Probably Core2 Duo chips)

Intel chips have recently moved onto a 45nm manufacturing process for later core2 designs and new i7 chips.

While FAB plants do indeed cost billions of dollars, they become obsolete very fast. So while the tech may be amazingly advanced, like the chips they make it also goes obsolete extremely quickly, and I'm not sure how expensive it would be to retool the factories.

Am open to correction on all the above, I'm just extrapolating from what I've seen about the place!

This is indeed a massive blow for limerick. Knew a few guys who worked there.

D-Generate

Peteee wrote: »

It should be noted that the fab plant in dublin manufactures 90nm and 65nm chips. (Probably Core2 Duo chips)

Intel chips have recently moved onto a 45nm manufacturing process for later core2 designs and new i7 chips.

While FAB plants do indeed cost billions of dollars, they become obsolete very fast. So while the tech may be amazingly advanced, like the chips they make it also goes obsolete extremely quickly, and I'm not sure how expensive it would be to retool the factories.

Am open to correction on all the above, I'm just extrapolating from what I've seen about the place!

This is indeed a massive blow for limerick. Knew a few guys who worked there.

The process lengths do decrease rather quickly but usually the adjustment to the photolithography requires a relatively inexpensive retooling of the manufacturing technique as compared to reestablishing a whole new plant to operate for the new process length. But then again, it still might be cheaper to just uproot and go find another geologically stable place for wafer fabrication. I still think Intel will remain though, the location is good and it does need skilled labour whereas Dell was more a manufacturing line than the highly skilled tech giant that the newspapers and government often portrayed it as. For instance there was some poor chump employed there to transform a flat cardboard box in to a cardboard box ready for packaging. Poor guy.

Senna

D-Generate wrote: »

For instance there was some poor chump employed there to transform a flat cardboard box in to a cardboard box ready for packaging. Poor guy.

Wouldn't want to be looking for a new just with just that on the CV.

BIRDCAGE1

D-Generate wrote: »

it still might be cheaper to just uproot and go find another geologically stable place for wafer fabrication. I still think Intel will remain though, the location is good and it does need skilled labour .

Its a hard one to call about Intel, they are in the process of building a new plant in china and are also just about to go into full production in another new plant in Isreal.The site in Ireland has three fabs, but one of them is sitting ideal with no manufacturing equipment (an empty room , so to speak), but on the other hand the Irsh sites gives Intel their stepping stone into Western Europe, and there are also the very advantagous taxes reasons for staying here.
My guess would be that HP (just down the road from Intel ) will go before Intel does.........

faceman

The only thing stopping China from having the majority of multinationals locate there is the government. But as soon as the gov there cop to that, the sooner the rest of us are goosed.

Dell news is awful. Hopefully all if not most people can get employment elsewhere.

At this crucial time in the downturn we need to be putting as much pressure on Mary Coughlan to secure investment in ireland as much as we are putting pressure on the financial regulator to resign.

Darragh29

I'm surprised the Dell news isn't all over the papers, no mention of it on www.rte.ie or www.indendent.ie, looks like www.sbpost.ie are the only paper that knows about it... 2,000 job losses in January and now a word???

Biggins

Its the start of many things to close come the new year.
From big businesses to local shops near you.
I can see many leaving this country again.

TestTransmission

So....anyone with anymore depressing news? Just wat we need before christmas

futura123

jackncoke wrote: »

So....anyone with anymore depressing news? Just wat we need before christmas

well rumours that boston scientific in galway is goin to upsticks...... heard that from quite a few friends in galway

Fozzie Bear

futura123 wrote: »

well rumours that boston scientific in galway is goin to upsticks...... heard that from quite a few friends in galway

I'd be more worried about Thermo King before Boston. Thermo have laid off hundreds of staff this year and their order books are currently empty for the new year. So there is every chance of a 3 day week or week on week off in the new year for the remaining staff. Thermo supply places like C+F Tooling, Byrne Mech, Iggy Maddens and many others with business so there will be a knock on with them no more then if Boston fecks off too.

Berty

Dell has been a good cash cow and the magic carpet ride had to come to and end at some stage.

My father has been there since 1993 prior to the opening of the manufacturing plant. He will basically, also because of his age, be unemployable because he is a R&D Server designer. There is not much call for that around the Limerick area.

professore

Browney7 wrote: »

As for Intel potentially leaving. Not a chance. The amount of capital they have put into their factories here nearly means they can't. The Fabs (fabrication labs) they have are some of the most technologically advanced in the world and the expertise required to operate these is not widely available in cheaper locations.

We've heard this all before "property market heading for soft landing" .... "banking system is sound" .... blah blah blah. Of course skills are available elsewhere. Google can't even find 100 software people in Dublin.

professore

faceman wrote: »

At this crucial time in the downturn we need to be putting as much pressure on Mary Coughlan to secure investment in ireland as much as we are putting pressure on the financial regulator to resign.

LOL. You'll be waiting. She's absolutely useless. People give out about Mary Harney but at least she does something.

mike65

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055441539

professore

Berty wrote: »

Dell has been a good cash cow and the magic carpet ride had to come to and end at some stage.

My father has been there since 1993 prior to the opening of the manufacturing plant. He will basically, also because of his age, be unemployable because he is a R&D Server designer. There is not much call for that around the Limerick area.

Sorry to hear that. OF course the Govt will tell you he'll be grand ... sure isn't he part of the knowledge economy?

Biggins

professore wrote: »

...People give out about Mary Harney but at least she does something.

...even if it is destroying something useful like a health care system!

Deadzone

professore wrote: »

LOL. You'll be waiting. She's absolutely useless. People give out about Mary Harney but at least she does something.

Yeah, condemns 12 year old girls to death for the sake of a few euro

professore

Here's some good news :

http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=DAVID+McWilliams-qqqs=commentandanalysis-qqqid=38312-qqqx=1.asp

now if only he was minister for finance ....

r3nu4l

Peteee wrote: »

It should be noted that the fab plant in dublin manufactures 90nm and 65nm chips. (Probably Core2 Duo chips)

I think you mean Kildare

If the Dell news is confirmed, then that's bad news

Chong

Nothing is confirmed at all.

Its the same old story that keeps rumbling along.

cornbb

Cruijff wrote: »

Nothing is confirmed at all.

Its the same old story that keeps rumbling along.

Yeah, if it was confirmed surely it would be all over the news