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  • #102
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Sad Really :(

    I ONLY set Ryan ONE test of good faith feeling as I did that his moral compass would wobble overly were I set him 2 tests.

    That test was that he show his good faith to the community here who know what rubbish 3G and Ripwave and Clearwire are by NOT claiming 3G was Broadband and removing all mention of 3G penetration from his departmental propaganda.

    I set him that target on Wed The 1st at the end of this post here when I said:
    "Remove 3g penetration from ALL DCENR BB stats forthwith as a sign of goodwill and intent to do something useful.

    It is an indicator of utter desperation and of systemic market failure in Ireland and is not a proper BB solution at all."

    It took Eamon Ryan precisely 24 Hours to peddle the same lie to the Independent , on thursday the 2nd some time .

    http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/ireland-is-not-lagging-behind-in-broadband-league-says-minister-1488606.html
    "Ireland is one of the leading countries in the EU when it comes to wireless and mobile take up -- these are not included in this and in many international comparisons.


    "Figures for competition, which make up one of the most important aspects of the study do not include wireless and mobile access, which is a large proportion -- one third -- of the Irish market," he said.

    I asked you to remove these figures so that we could have a genuine debate .

    Yet you complain to the Indo that these technologies are excluded from international measures of Broadband penetration ( the standard OECD measure).

    THAT IS PRECISELY BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BROADBAND :mad: .


    Furthermore you claim that widespread use of Dial Up Substitute technologies in Ireland is a sign of relative success :eek:

    You , Mr Ryan , are a DISGRACE !!!


  • #103
    MunsterCycling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭MunsterCycling


    I feel I must remove my thanks from you Minister as you have showed yourself up in this regard, mobile Internet is NOT Broadband and that is fact. The OECD has shown us the real figures for Broadband penetration in Ireland and not your departments whitewashed figures, please give your senior civil servants a kick in the back side to get them to give you the real figures not the imaginary ones they seem so anxious to push forward.


    MC


  • #104
    fergalfrog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭fergalfrog


    fergalfrog wrote: »
    I have posted a message on the ammado site asking the Minister where we can go to get updates on how this process is going.......

    btw I got no reply to this so it would appear we won't hear much until the next press release or the likes.

    You can view Minister Ryans opening speech at the forum at:
    http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=JoBqS0fZE-k

    (comments have not surprisingly been disabled)


  • #105
    clohamon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Today (7/10/08) is the final date for written submissions on the NGN Consultation document.

    Reply here: NGBconsultation@dcenr.ie

    Warning: the document is 53 pages long.

    And on the OECD figures the document has this to say:

    "However it is widely acknowledged that the broadband penetration rankings used by the OECD are overly simplistic."

    "The OECD have indicated that in future their statistical analysis will include mobile broadband services which may bring Ireland above the OECD average for connectivity per 100 inhabitants"


  • #106
    MunsterCycling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭MunsterCycling


    clohamon wrote: »
    Today (7/10/08) is the final date for written submissions on the NGN Consultation document.

    Reply here: NGBconsultation@dcenr.ie

    Warning: the document is 53 pages long.

    And on the OECD figures the document has this to say:

    "However it is widely acknowledged that the broadband penetration rankings used by the OECD are overly simplistic."

    "The OECD have indicated that in future their statistical analysis will include mobile broadband services which may bring Ireland above the OECD average for connectivity per 100 inhabitants"


    Laughable :mad:


  • #107
    Dellas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Dellas


    Residents of Muswell Hill, in London, and Whitchurch, in South Wales, are to be the first to try next generation broadband in the UK.

    Exchanges in both areas are to become pilot sites where the fibre-based broadband will be tested.

    Once they are upgraded, home users should be able to go online at speeds of up to 40 megabits per second (Mbps).

    Up to 15,000 home and business customers in each area will get the chance to take part in the pilot.

    Fast forward

    The operational pilots will run fibre-optic cables to the street cabinets that connect homes and businesses to telephone exchanges.

    A BT spokesman said the two sites were chosen because of their mix of customers and net providers in these areas as well as the make-up of the local communications network and geography.

    "These two areas are perfect for our needs for the pilots," said the spokesman.

    The pilots will begin in summer 2009. Prior to the start of the large scale trials BT's Openreach will run a small trial in early 2009 involving 30 homes connected to the Foxhall exchange in Kesgrave, Suffolk.

    The pilots are being run by BT Openreach which looks after the so-called "first mile" of the communication network that links homes and office buildings to BT's core network.

    The BT spokesman said it was proper to describe the installation of the equipment as a pilot as it would not remove the hardware once the pilot period ended.

    Because of this, said the spokesman, it was not clear which broadband firms would be recruiting people to take part in the trial or the terms and conditions that would govern it.

    Further pilots in new areas will be chosen towards the end of 2009 and the commercial roll out of the service is set to begin in 2010.

    In July 2008, BT said it would spend £1.5bn installing fibre-optic cables to that would bring the high-speed broadband to about 40% of the UK population.

    The pilot will test the technology Openreach has chosen and those taking part will be encouraged to use demanding web-based applications, such as high-definition movies and online gaming, simultaneously to see how the new system copes.

    "We have no clear idea of the applications that are out there that people might need really high speed services for," said the spokesman.

    In a separate trial BT is also running fibre to thousands of new homes being built at a large scale development under construction in Ebbsfleet, Kent. The technology being installed to these homes is expected to deliver speeds of about 100Mbps.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7667761.stm


  • #108
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,744 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Could we let BT take over the technical side of things and let Eircon do the billing? (Although, I have never had any problem with BT billing.) :D

    Edit: I like the look of that BT Total Broadband that's being advertised.


  • #109
    antoinolachtnai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,814 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    There is a fairly similar trial in the works for south dublin, as I understand it. I don't know how it is advancing.


  • #110
    fergalfrog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭fergalfrog


    Lets not forget this thread :)


    From the Department of Communications website it states:

    It is anticipated that a preferred bidder will be selected by November 2008.

    (http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Communications/Communications+Development/National+Broadband+Scheme.htm)


    Well, there are 4 full working days left in November and there has yet to be an update!


  • #111
    fergalfrog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭fergalfrog


    3 days left!


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  • #112
    MunsterCycling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭MunsterCycling


    The farce continues:

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1125/broadband.html


  • #113
    barnicles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭barnicles


    I don't believe this.
    I hate you minister ryan.


  • #114
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    MunsterCycling wrote: »
    The farce continues:

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1125/broadband.html

    :facepalm:

    Seriously though, I honestly can't comprehend how rediculously stupid this actually is. It just seems like a practical joke.


  • #115
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Lets look at some key numbers here .

    The 3 Megathread has been open for a year and a half in this forum . 434k people have read it in that time. Three are no better now than they ever were :(

    OTOH 6.77k persons voted for Eamonn Ryan in Dublin South in 2007 .

    64 Times More People Know that 3 Is Rubbish Than Voted For Eamonn Ryan

    BAN HIM NOW !!!


  • #116
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    worth remembering that those views are not all seperate people, many people have viewed that thread multiple times


  • #117
    thebman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    Cabaal wrote: »
    worth remembering that those views are not all seperate people, many people have viewed that thread multiple times

    Okay so divide by 8 for arguments sake. Then there are the 3 customers that have never viewed that thread like my father or people that aren't members like my brother, both have or had 3 BB and know how useless they are.

    I think the only reason they did this was because they feared the consequences from Europe of subsidising the monopoly to extend their reach.

    Even so its inexcusable. I mean, you could easily point to that thread in the broadband forum and say there are too many unhappy 3 users and there were no other viable contenders for the NBS so it had to be awarded to eircom.

    Fooking joke as usual and further proof they don't take BB seriously.


  • #118
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    brim4brim wrote: »
    Okay so divide by 8 for arguments sake.

    The amount of people who actually viewed that thread would still be a lot lower. Every time you post it counts as two views. Every time you go from page 1 to page 2 that's another view. Some people have probably viewed that thread in excess of a couple of hundred times. The thread still highlights how stupid this decision is though.


  • #119
    thebman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    The amount of people who actually viewed that thread would still be a lot lower. Every time you post it counts as two views. Every time you go from page 1 to page 2 that's another view. Some people have probably viewed that thread in excess of a couple of hundred times. The thread still highlights how stupid this decision is though.

    How about unregistered users that find it via Google?

    Do they even count in the figures:
    http://www.google.ie/search?&rls=en&q=three+broadband&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8


  • #120
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    brim4brim wrote: »
    How about unregistered users that find it via Google?

    Do they even count in the figures:
    http://www.google.ie/search?&rls=en&q=three+broadband&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
    I believe so.


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  • #121
    MunsterCycling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭MunsterCycling


    The man in question is on Matt Cooper now blabbing about electric cars.... Farce gets bigger!


    MC


  • #122
    Nehaxak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭Nehaxak


    3G broadband is the Irish governments answer !?
    We need a four foot sarcastic/smack head on wall smiley on boards, really we do.

    I hope all you people here that have put up with this shambles get out and cast your vote in the next general election, remember the minister that posted here "twice" and then his answer to it all, a PR stunt to bump the figures with 3g broadband as the answer. :mad:


  • #123
    MunsterCycling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭MunsterCycling


    3 are spending our money already:

    http://www.rte.ie/sport/golf/2008/1210/irishopen.html


  • #124
    Thomas-G
    Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭Thomas-G


    It's just sad really at the end of the day, when will the Government realize broadband coverage is critical to attracting foreign firms.


  • #125
    ethernet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,568 ✭✭✭ethernet


    Thomas-G wrote: »
    It's just sad really at the end of the day, when will the Government realize broadband coverage is critical to attracting foreign firms.
    Put all TDs on these "mobile broadband" solutions, both at home and in their offices and see how they find it in comparison to what they're used to.


  • #126
    Thomas-G
    Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭Thomas-G


    ethernet wrote: »
    Put all TDs on these "mobile broadband" solutions, both at home and in their offices and see how they find it in comparison to what they're used to.
    No let's stick them all on dial up and force them to stay up till 5am uploading files to a web server. Then they'll know how I live.
    Actually, that might be an idea, like the concern fast but for the internet:pac:


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  • #127
    fergalfrog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭fergalfrog


    Eircom have a new site detailing exchanges to be upgraded:
    http://www.broadbandatoz.ie/


  • #128
    Zith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭Zith


    fergalfrog wrote: »
    Eircom have a new site detailing exchanges to be upgraded:
    http://www.broadbandatoz.ie/

    Wow. This site should have been available 3 years ago but still nice to see all that information in the one place. I see a mention of an 8KM limit also, thought it was 6KM.

    /Zith


  • #129
    fergalfrog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭fergalfrog


    Zith wrote: »
    I see a mention of an 8KM limit also, thought it was 6KM.

    /Zith

    This is not going to be an exact figure as it all depends on the line between you and the exchange. Even if you are less than 5km there is still a chance your line may not be suitable...

    I think the number of kms mentioned are more average/indicative...


  • #130
    rav1410
    Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭rav1410


    fergalfrog wrote: »
    Eircom have a new site detailing exchanges to be upgraded:
    http://www.broadbandatoz.ie/


    Great map but terrible news for me.

    I fall into the " Your location has been given to the Department of Communications so it can be taken into consideration for the National Broadband Scheme" caterogry :(:mad:

    Im on a pretty good fixed wireless (Net1) connection at the mo but want DSL


  • #131
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    The map is rather inaccurate , I can assure you , howver the colour coding is accurate so red is red :p


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  • #132
    barnicles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭barnicles


    I agree the maps are all over the place!


  • #133
    rav1410
    Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭rav1410


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    howver the colour coding is accurate so red is red :p

    You B1tch!! Rub it in while your at it :P


  • #134
    Cow Moolester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭Cow Moolester


    Oh em gee hai rav!

    I'm about a mile away from my exchange and yet I'm getting only a quarter the speeds I should :( I'm on 20mb package but only getting 5mb


  • #135
    Zith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭Zith


    fergalfrog wrote: »
    This is not going to be an exact figure as it all depends on the line between you and the exchange. Even if you are less than 5km there is still a chance your line may not be suitable...

    I think the number of kms mentioned are more average/indicative...

    I'm about 5.5KMs following the cable from my exchange. Have ISDN for a long time and get solid 6.4K downloads so hopefully DSL speed will be fine for 1 or 2 Meg.


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