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"Charter of Compassion" Could this the birth of Global Babalonian Religion?

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  • #32
    Run_to_da_hills
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    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    Indeed. And thus it is rather hard to make preditions about what his term will be like. But it would be a bit of a leap to assume he'll be a rubbish president, a significant leap to assume that he'll stray massively from the party line and total delusional mentalism to assume that he'll impose a regime in which US citizens are implanted with microchips on a compulsory basis..
    Going by his "religious" background in his election manifesto Obama would certainly make good material for the CT forum. Even more so if he is the very man that will broker peace in the Middle East. :)
    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    http://www.verichipcorp.com/content/company/corporatefaq

    http://www.aimglobal.org/members/news/templates/template.aspx?articleid=1279&zoneid=42

    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-125914259.html
    And hell, you know, Wikipedia. Or Google it.
    You are hardly going to get a FAQ from verichip claiming the suitability of their product to be in the right hand or forehead. :rolleyes:

    One only has to look at the practical reasons for having a chip in the right hand, IE transit, security and retail RFID touch pads currently used through the world with smart cards and chipped passports.

    oyster-godwin-1.jpg

    A microchip near the triceps would not make much sense at all. A chip in the forehead / hand would also make sense when it comes to using combines thumb / retina security scanners. it would save a considerable amount of time at Airport security.


  • #33
    AtomicHorror
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Going by his "religious" background in his election manifesto Obama would certainly make good material for the CT forum. Even more so if he is the very man that will broker peace in the Middle East. :)

    Good material for the CT forum? Take it there so.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    You are hardly going to get a FAQ from verichip claiming the suitability of their product to be in the right hand or forehead. :rolleyes:

    One reference of three that I provided. But anyway, the reasons why the the chip wouldn't be suitable for insertion into the forehead or hand are because the thing is actually fairly big. In your forehead it would leave a noticeable lump and in your hand something of a bump combined with some discomfort.

    Tell you what, since you're the one making the the vague claims, how about you provide some decent sources? I'll even promise not to use the rolleyes emote as a response, if only because most of the people who use it are idiots.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    One only has to look at the practical reasons for having a chip in the right hand, IE transit, security and retail RFID touch pads currently used through the world with smart cards and chipped passports.

    Oh yeah, plus the ease of removal from shallow tissue. RFID needs no touch pads, that's the whole damn point of the tech. It's location in your body is largely immaterial as long as it's close-ish to the skin surface and not sticking out in a lump.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    A microchip near the triceps would not make much sense at all. A chip in the forehead / hand would also make sense when it comes to using combines thumb / retina security scanners. it would save a considerable amount of time at Airport security.

    Why? Why does the location matter for any of these applications? Retina scanners? Put it in your eye? Thumb scanners? Stick it in your thumb? Honestly, what are you on about? And if we're using that tech as standard practise then what use is RFID for those stated applications anyway? These are situations in which the biometric data would be linked to a database entry with full details. RFID is only useful when database access is not easy or practical.


  • #34
    Run_to_da_hills
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    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    Good material for the CT forum? Take it there so.
    Too early yet, One must first wait and see how he gets on with brokering peace in the middle east. :D

    I have decided to move the topic of Verichip over to the appropriate thread.


  • #35
    Nodin
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Going by his "religious" background in his election manifesto.

    More Obama waffle. Are you trying to change the subject?
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    You are hardly going to get a FAQ from verichip claiming the suitability of their product to be in the right hand or forehead. :rolleyes:.

    So essentially you've decided to just state its so and evidence be damned.


  • #36
    Zombrex
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    Are we still on this whole "bar-codes have the number 666 in them (even though they don't) and an RFID tag is like a bar-code (only if you don't know anything about either of them beyond that they can be scanned), and RFID takes can by placed in the hand (or anywhere else on the body), so that is how the mark of the beast gets on the hands!!" nonsense?

    The argument is like saying Jesus will arrive back on a cloud, clouds are made of water, water reflects the sun, so do mirrors, mirrors are made out of glass, glass is like fiberglass, planes are made out of fiber glass, ah ha! Jesus will return in a plane!! Lets all go out and watch planes arrive


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  • #37
    Run_to_da_hills
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    Wicknight wrote: »
    Are we still on this whole "bar-codes have the number 666 in them (even though they don't) and an RFID tag is like a bar-code (only if you don't know anything about either of them beyond that they can be scanned), and RFID takes can by placed in the hand (or anywhere else on the body), so that is how the mark of the beast gets on the hands!!" nonsense?]
    Why don't you proclaim your theory that they don't contain 666 to the world so that Christians will accept the coded implant when the time comes.:rolleyes:


  • #38
    Nodin
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Why don't you proclaim your theory that they don't contain 666 to the world

    But thats not a theory. Thats a fact.


  • #39
    AtomicHorror
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Why don't you proclaim your theory that they don't contain 666 to the world so that Christians will accept the coded implant when the time comes.:rolleyes:

    Why don't you provide some evidence that they do? Or that they are intended for implanting into the hands or forehead.


  • #40
    The Mad Hatter
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    Nodin wrote: »
    But thats not a theory. Thats a fact.

    This got an unreasonable amount of lol from me.


  • #41
    Run_to_da_hills
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    Nodin wrote: »
    But thats not a theory. Thats a fact.
    Thats exactly what Satan will try to tell us. :rolleyes:

    1-Mondex-1.jpg

    A kids website explains it quite well

    When God made man there was only ONE rule to which man had to comply.
    God said, "Do not eat from the tree of knowledge or you will surely die."

    Satan said, "You will not die. The fruit will simply open your eyes.
    You will be like God, knowing good and evil, and you will be wise."

    Adam and Eve believed Satan and they ate from the forbidden tree.
    And death entered the world because God�s Word they did not believe.

    God said, "If you receive the mark of the beast on your hand or head,
    I will punish and kill you and cast you into hell when you are dead."

    Satan said, "You will not die. If my mark you will only receive,
    then you may buy and sell, and become prosperous and wealthy."

    Ugly painful sores gradually appeared on all who wore Satan�s mark,
    and God made them suffer in agony in extreme heat and in the dark.

    http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgur...%3Den%26sa%3DG


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  • #42
    The Mad Hatter
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    A kids website explains it quite well

    When God made man there was only ONE rule to which man had to comply.
    God said, "Do not eat from the tree of knowledge or you will surely die."

    Satan said, "You will not die. The fruit will simply open your eyes.
    You will be like God, knowing good and evil, and you will be wise."

    Adam and Eve believed Satan and they ate from the forbidden tree.
    And death entered the world because God�s Word they did not believe.

    God said, "If you receive the mark of the beast on your hand or head,
    I will punish and kill you and cast you into hell when you are dead."

    Satan said, "You will not die. If my mark you will only receive,
    then you may buy and sell, and become prosperous and wealthy."

    Ugly painful sores gradually appeared on all who wore Satan�s mark,
    and God made them suffer in agony in extreme heat and in the dark.

    http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://grandpappy.info/ymark3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://grandpappy.info/pmark.htm&usg=__jTvHLTBWmAFFzKIIPc1F7RllXUA=&h=359&w=313&sz=14&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=b87NRQCUbsHN3M:&tbnh=121&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3D666%2Bmark%2Bof%2Bbeast%2Bsores%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

    Taken from a book (Good Omens by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman)

    'You've got to admit it's a bit of a pantomime, though,' said Crawly. 'I mean, pointing out the Tree and saying "Don't Touch" in big letters. Not very subtle, is it? I mean, why not put it on top of a high mountain or a long way off? Makes you wonder what He's really planning.'


  • #43
    Run_to_da_hills
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    The Mad Hatter wrote: »
    Taken from a book (Good Omens by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman)

    'You've got to admit it's a bit of a pantomime, though,' said Crawly. 'I mean, pointing out the Tree and saying "Don't Touch" in big letters. Not very subtle, is it? I mean, why not put it on top of a high mountain or a long way off? Makes you wonder what He's really planning.'
    I take it symbolically, Ie man disobeying Gods command and suffering the consequences, likewise one will suffer the consequences by taking the implant. Once the implant is received one becomes the "living damned" even if they attempted to remove it.

    BTW Israel is to roll out biometric RFID cards which is one step closer to the "mark".
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1ihUIofCaxs/STT8R8dvWWI/AAAAAAAAAuA/t6nOhHSqnPA/s1600-h/israel.bmp


  • #44
    Húrin
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    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    Seriously, if the topic were something other than religion I think most people here would consider your position to be a result of severe paranoid delusion. Since I give no credence to religion, you can imagine how I see it.
    I am a Christian too and I think his position is paranoid delusion.


  • #45
    Run_to_da_hills
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    Húrin wrote: »
    I am a Christian too and I think his position is paranoid delusion.
    Do you take the Book of Revelation as a bed time story?


  • #46
    Nodin
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Thats exactly what Satan will try to tell us. :rolleyes:

    1-Mondex-1.jpg

    A kids website (......Snip.......)and in the dark.

    None of which relates to there being no 666 on the chip. We still have no evidence provided by you to contradict that.

    Has anybody taken one of these chips, analysed it, and had its contents and their conclusions published in a peer reviewed journal? (Thats not like a self published title somebodys mates read before it was sent off to the printers, btw)


  • #47
    Run_to_da_hills
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    Nodin wrote: »
    None of which relates to there being no 666 on the chip. We still have no evidence provided by you to contradict that.

    Has anybody taken one of these chips, analysed it, and had its contents and their conclusions published in a peer reviewed journal? (Thats not like a self published title somebodys mates read before it was sent off to the printers, btw)
    I doubt if one will find the number "666" etched inside every Veriichip implant or any of its follow ups. :rolleyes:

    The code would more than likely be hidden in the numerical system of identity when the time comes.

    verichip_02.png


  • #48
    Nodin
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I doubt if one will find the number "666" etched inside every Veriichip implant or any of its follow ups. :rolleyes:


    So the answer is "no" then.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The code would more than likely be hidden in the numerical system of identity when the time comes.

    Fascinating. And thats based on leaked documents, or a press release....? Do please give us your sources.


  • #49
    Run_to_da_hills
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    Nodin wrote: »
    So the answer is "no" then.
    Fascinating. And thats based on leaked documents, or a press release....? Do please give us your sources.
    :rolleyes:

    I see troll coming from your posts. I have provided enough links on the subject if you care to read them. I can see that you are only trying to argue for the sake of it.


  • #50
    AtomicHorror
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Thats exactly what Satan will try to tell us. :rolleyes:

    And what will you say in response? We're saying it to you right now. And we're saying "show us the evidence". You're not delivering, so what are we to think?


  • #51
    AtomicHorror
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    I see troll coming from your posts. I have provided enough links on the subject if you care to read them. I can see that you are only trying to argue for the sake of it.

    If you're not a troll you need therapy. I know, I know. That's exactly what Satan would say.


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  • #52
    Zombrex
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Why don't you proclaim your theory that they don't contain 666 to the world so that Christians will accept the coded implant when the time comes.:rolleyes:

    I thought I just did? Is Boards.ie not the world?

    Anyway, as I already asked, don't you want this to happen. You can't have the rapture without this right?

    Like would someone have stopped Jesus from be executed?


  • #53
    Zombrex
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I doubt if one will find the number "666" etched inside every Veriichip implant or any of its follow ups. :rolleyes:

    The code would more than likely be hidden in the numerical system of identity when the time comes.

    "Hidden" how?

    If you hide the numbers how does it become a system of identity?


  • #54
    MrPudding
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

    The code would more than likely be hidden in the numerical system of identity when the time comes.
    Hidden how? If I was the manufacturer of these chips I would find some way of putting 666 in them all for a laugh. Oh no, maybe that is what the devil is planning. Someone puts it in thinking they are doing it for a laugh, when in actual fact that was the plan of the devil all along.

    Tough times ahead.

    MrP


  • #55
    AtomicHorror
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    MrPudding wrote: »
    Hidden how? If I was the manufacturer of these chips I would find some way of putting 666 in them all for a laugh. Oh no, maybe that is what the devil is planning. Someone puts it in thinking they are doing it for a laugh, when in actual fact that was the plan of the devil all along.

    Tough times ahead.

    MrP

    The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was making himself the butt of loads of religion-themed jokes.


  • #56
    Nodin
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    :rolleyes:
    I see troll coming from your posts. .

    I'd imagine you do.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I have provided enough links on the subject if you care to read them..

    Relating to there being a 666 contained on this chip?

    In message 41,you linked to a childrens website with a particular interpretation of the book of Revelation.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58266491&postcount=41
    That doesn't refer to that chip, or indeed anything specifically to do with the device you claim will have 666 placed on it in some way.

    When challenged on this, you come back in message 47 with a picture of this chip, and state that when its rolled out, then it will be included in some form.

    When asked where this information about the future incorporation of 666 has come from, you say you've already provided links.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I can see that you are only trying to argue for the sake of it.

    Not at all. You've made a number of statements, you should be able to back them up. If you can't, well........


  • #57
    Run_to_da_hills
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    Wicknight wrote: »
    Anyway, as I already asked, don't you want this to happen. You can't have the rapture without this right?
    I don't particularly want this to happen but according to scripture it will happen irrespective of my thinking or my attempt to do anything about it. All the church can do is warn about it and this can be seen by the number of christian web sites that speak out about the subject of implants.
    Wicknight wrote: »
    Like would someone have stopped Jesus from be executed?

    Didn't the apostle Peter attemped to rebuke the exicution?

    From that time, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and the third day be raised up. Peter took him aside, and began to rebuke him, saying, "Far be it from you, Lord! This will never be done to you." But he turned, and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling-block to me, for you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of men." Matthew 16:21:


  • #58
    AtomicHorror
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Like would someone have stopped Jesus from be executed?

    Didn't the apostle Peter attemped to rebuke the exicution?

    From that time, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and the third day be raised up. Peter took him aside, and began to rebuke him, saying, "Far be it from you, Lord! This will never be done to you." But he turned, and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling-block to me, for you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of men." Matthew 16:21:

    I think the question was should anyone have attepted to stop the crucifiction? As you seem to be making an effort to put a stop to the rise of the antichrist.


  • #59
    Zombrex
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I don't particularly want this to happen but according to scripture it will happen irrespective of my thinking or my attempt to do anything about it. All the church can do is warn about it and this can be seen by the number of christian web sites that speak out about the subject of implants.

    Warn about it why?

    What is the point of warning about something you neither can nor want to stop happening?


  • #60
    Zombrex
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    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    I think the question was should anyone have attepted to stop the crucifiction? As you seem to be making an effort to put a stop to the rise of the antichrist.

    Correct, apologies I thought the question was clearer. Yes I'm asking why Run is spending a lot of time attempting to warn about something that is not only supposed to happen but also is a good thing that it does.

    Should someone have warned Jesus' people that he was going to be executed so they knocked him out and took him away to England and held him captive until he died of old age. That wouldn't have saved out souls.

    If I understand correct the passages in Revelations have to come true (and can't not come true).

    Its all a bit Terminator-3-The-future-is-not-written-wait-yes-it-is for me, but surely there is no point warning against this stuff is there? Warning for what purpose. Are you trying to stop it happening (Run I mean, not you AH :))


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  • #61
    wolfsbane
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    Wicknight said:
    If I understand correct the passages in Revelations have to come true (and can't not come true).
    You are indeed correct.

    I'm not sure what RTDH holds, but let me state what I believe is the right attitude to the rise of Antichrist. We are to be glad when it happens, for it is a sign that Christ's return is imminent:
    Luke 21:28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

    But that does not mean we are to complicit in Antichrist's rise: we will welcome it, but we will not vote for it. Just as the disciples should have welcomed the crucifixion of Christ, but not given their consent to it.

    Peter made the mistake of letting his condemnation of the wicked act lead him to try to stop it by force.


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