"Charter of Compassion" Could this the birth of Global Babalonian Religion?

Run_to_da_hills

I have never seen in my life so many streams coming together to setup the foundations of potentially, the fundamentals of what are described in the book of Revelation. Below is a Youtube video of something called ‘Charter for Compassion, it will give you the audio-visual feeling of where this is going.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCG4qryy1Dg

This is their Website.
http://charterforcompassion.com/

Their Charter.
http://charterforcompassion.com/about

wolfsbane

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I have never seen in my life so many streams coming together to setup the foundations of potentially, the fundamentals of what are described in the book of Revelation. Below is a Youtube video of something called ‘Charter for Compassion, it will give you the audio-visual feeling of where this is going.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCG4qryy1Dg

This is their Website.
http://charterforcompassion.com/

I'm sorry, I can't see anything wrong with this. In fact, true Christianity should be to the fore in promoting compassion.

If they had said showing compassion involves thinking all religions are equally true, or that they all worship the one God, or something that in any way denies the exclusive truth claims of Christianity, I would condemn it.

That may be the thoughts of some of the contributors, but they did not say it here.

AtomicHorror

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I have never seen in my life so many streams coming together to setup the foundations of potentially, the fundamentals of what are described in the book of Revelation. Below is a Youtube video of something called ‘Charter for Compassion, it will give you the audio-visual feeling of where this is going.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCG4qryy1Dg

This is their Website.
http://charterforcompassion.com/

I wouldn't normally comment on something like this unprompted but I have to ask you this. Are you going to spend your life looking for signs of the End Times or are you going to live?

Run_to_da_hills

wolfsbane wrote: »

I'm sorry, I can't see anything wrong with this. In fact, true Christianity should be to the fore in promoting compassion.

If they had said showing compassion involves thinking all religions are equally true, or that they all worship the one God, or something that in any way denies the exclusive truth claims of Christianity, I would condemn it.

That may be the thoughts of some of the contributors, but they did not say it here.

I would consider this as the latest move toward a One World Religion using modern technology funded by a very high profile group.

The Museum of Idolatry believes in loving our neighbors. But, we do not think the problems of the world are being cause by Christians who dogmatically proclaim that Jesus Christ is the only way of salvation offered to mankind and that all other religions are false and lead to hell.

The Charter for Compassion has redefined compassion in such a way that it excludes any Christian who would dare call another human a sinner and then dogmatically proclaim salvation alone in Jesus Christ. The Charter for Compassion exists to wage war against fundamentalism.

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I wouldn't normally comment on something like this unprompted but I have to ask you this. Are you going to spend your life looking for signs of the End Times or are you going to live?

I would like to consider my self vigilant rather than having my head stuck in the sand at what is going on in the world at this time.

Zombrex

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I would like to consider my self vigilant rather than having my head stuck in the sand at what is going on in the world at this time.

Why?

It doesn't matter to you does it. You can't do anything about it, you certainly aren't supposed to stop it, and when it does start aren't you supposed to ascend to heaven?

So what is the point of being "vigilant"?

wolfsbane

Run_to_da_hills said:

The Charter for Compassion has redefined compassion in such a way that it excludes any Christian who would dare call another human a sinner and then dogmatically proclaim salvation alone in Jesus Christ.

I must have missed that. Please point out the relevant passage.

Run_to_da_hills

Wicknight wrote: »

Why?

It doesn't matter to you does it. You can't do anything about it, you certainly aren't supposed to stop it, and when it does start aren't you supposed to ascend to heaven?

So what is the point of being "vigilant"?

Or should i rephrase that "aware" of whats going around. BTW I am a post tribulationist.

wolfsbane wrote: »

Run_to_da_hills said:

I must have missed that. Please point out the relevant passage.

I would suggest you read the charter and get back to me.

http://charterforcompassion.com/about

Nodin

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I have never seen in my life so many streams coming together to setup the foundations of potentially, the fundamentals of what are described in the book of Revelation.

Selectively reading again.....

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I would suggest you read the charter and get back to me. .

Et tu?

From the site wrote:

The Charter does NOT assume:

• all religions are the same
• compassion is the only thing that matters in religion
• religious people have a monopoly on compassion

The Charter DOES affirm that:

• compassion is celebrated in all major religious, spiritual and ethical traditions
• the Golden Rule is our prime duty and cannot be limited to our own political, religious or ethnic group
• therefore, in our divided world, compassion can build common ground

AtomicHorror

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I would like to consider my self vigilant rather than having my head stuck in the sand at what is going on in the world at this time.

There's a world of difference between being aware of what is happening and seeking patterns in that which apply to a prophesy that you cannot do anything about other than wait for the end. You're at a concert but looking at your watch. You're in the cinema, wondering when the climatic bit is going to come some you can go home. I guess the film sucks.

Zombrex

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Or should i rephrase that "aware" of whats going around.

Well I think when you start rising into the air with angels its probably a safe bet it is happening.

Until then I would stop worrying so much. Surely the sooner the Rapture comes the better, right?

robindch

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The Charter for Compassion exists to wage war against fundamentalism.

And what exactly is wrong with caring for all of humanity, instead of just the members of some self-selecting subset who believe themselves more important than everybody else?

Zombrex

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The Charter for Compassion exists to wage war against fundamentalism.

Yes war and compassion normally go hand in hand :pac:

The central point of the Charter (and tbh this is the first I've heard of it so I haven't studied it in depth) seems to be the golden rule, treat others as you would wish to be treated.

That is quite incompatible with "waging war against fundamentalism". If someone wants freedom of belief they should also allow you freedom of belief and vice versa.

In fact I seem to remember your Jesus saying something about that ...

Run_to_da_hills

Nodin wrote: »

Et tu?

Yes I have read it and there is no harmony between truth and error.

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? " 2 Corinthians 6:14

Christians have NO bond with people who deny Jesus is the Christ.
"And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?"
2 Corinthians 6:15

Any “charter” they claim in the name of “religion” is a charter devoid of the truth. Being done to the glory of humanity and false gods, rather than the glory of the One True God, who sent Jesus as the ONLY mediator between God and man, 1 Timothy 2:5.

Christians know to show compassion and do so out of love for Christ, not to water down that compassion in the name of secular humanism and false religion. So I don’t need their charter.

The compassion I have is noted in the Bible and I don’t need anyone picking parts of scripture, while refusing to take it whole and seeking for me to join with them in their scripture hacked efforts. And when we speak of “compassion” I doubt what they call compassion is true to scripture’s teachings regarding such subjects.

The bottom line is, the Charter for Compassion Project is a globally orchistrated secular humanistic movement, that will seek to crush true Christianity. I see this organisation as a recruitment agency for Antichrist,

Nodin

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Yes I have read it and there is no harmony between truth and error. .

So essentially you reject it becauwse of your own prejudices, rather than its content.

[QUOTE=Run_to_da_hills;58239272]
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? " 2 Corinthians 6:14

Christians have NO bond with people who deny Jesus is the Christ.
"And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?"
2 Corinthians 6:15
[/QUOTE]

Lovely.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Any “charter” they claim in the name of “religion” is a charter devoid of the truth..

It doesn't claim anything in the name of "religon", but seeks a common thread through religons, while recognising that not all are the same. Its quite a pragmatic document.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Christians know to show compassion and do so out of love for Christ, not to water down that compassion in the name of secular humanism and false religion. ..

In your opinion they are false.

Where is anyone asked to "water down that compassion"?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

So I don’t need their charter. ..

Given your quotes in italics from the Bible there, I'd say you need it far more than they....

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The compassion I have is noted in the Bible and I don’t need anyone picking parts of scripture, while refusing to take it whole ..

So you aren't ignoring the "softer" parts of the Bible when you're getting all "infidel" about the place?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The bottom line is, the Charter for Compassion Project is a globally orchistrated secular humanistic movement, that will seek to crush true Christianity. .

...according to you, despite evidence to the contrary.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I see this organisation as a recruitment agency for Antichrist.

Given your posting history, I've no doubt you'd apply that label to Barney the dinosaur as quick.

CerebralCortex

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Yes I have read it and there is no harmony between truth and error.

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? " 2 Corinthians 6:14

Christians have NO bond with people who deny Jesus is the Christ.
"And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?"
2 Corinthians 6:15

Any “charter” they claim in the name of “religion” is a charter devoid of the truth. Being done to the glory of humanity and false gods, rather than the glory of the One True God, who sent Jesus as the ONLY mediator between God and man, 1 Timothy 2:5.

Christians know to show compassion and do so out of love for Christ, not to water down that compassion in the name of secular humanism and false religion. So I don’t need their charter.

The compassion I have is noted in the Bible and I don’t need anyone picking parts of scripture, while refusing to take it whole and seeking for me to join with them in their scripture hacked efforts. And when we speak of “compassion” I doubt what they call compassion is true to scripture’s teachings regarding such subjects.

The bottom line is, the Charter for Compassion Project is a globally orchistrated secular humanistic movement, that will seek to crush true Christianity. I see this organisation as a recruitment agency for Antichrist,

Run_to_da_hills I had the impression you were a well grounded individual now I'm not so sure An organisation trying to bring peace between religions seeking to recruit an Antichrist(whatever that is)?

bou

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The compassion I have is noted in the Bible and I don’t need anyone picking parts of scripture, while refusing to take it whole and seeking for me to join with them in their scripture hacked efforts. And when we speak of “compassion” I doubt what they call compassion is true to scripture’s teachings regarding such subjects.

Would it be possible to give a definition of compassion that is in accord with the bible, something that if someone followed it well while not being christian, you would still consider them compassionate?
What is the teaching on compassion about? What is it's goal or purpose? What is the result of developing compassion?
Is it offensive that people of other beliefs should try to show compassion?
Are non-believers only worthy being considered as people in sofar as they might some day see the truth?
If someone was resolute that they could never be a christian, then can you show them compassion or should you show them contempt and treat them as a worthless being?

Run_to_da_hills

CerebralCortex wrote: »

Run_to_da_hills I had the impression you were a well grounded individual now I'm not so sure An organization trying to bring peace between religions seeking to recruit an Antichrist(whatever that is)?

According to Bible prophecy, the Antichrist builds his government on three main pillars of power. a global government, a global economy and a global religious system. All three must exist and be functioning prior to his arrival on the scene, since his time frame is limited to just 2,520 days.

I have already posted a thread over a year ago about the forthcoming economic cashless system. A Financial Times times editor reckons that our privacy well end in 3013 due to RFId track & trace and similar digital technologies. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055439312

The global Government is no longer a topic for Conspiracy Theorists according to another editorial in the same paper this week. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055438817

The last part of the equation is to link all the global religions of the world together under a committee. This can be easily done through popular websites. Of course all committees need a leader :eek:

When this "religious charter" is signed and sealed by prominant global church and state leaders I can also foresee anyone that disagrees with it will become the enemy.

What dose Christ say about the persecution of his followers in end times? Read Matthew 24 .

AtomicHorror

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

According to Bible prophecy, the Antichrist builds his government on three main pillars of power. a global government, a global economy and a global religious system. All three must exist and be functioning prior to his arrival on the scene, since his time frame is limited to just 2,520 days.

Well I think you shouldn't hold your breath for the global government. I'd love to see it in my lifetime but then I am on the side of Evil.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I have already posted a thread over a year ago about the forthcoming economic cashless system. A Financial Times times editor reckons that our privacy well end in 3013 due to RFId track & trace and similar digital technologies. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055439312

Yes... I'm sure RFID implants will be real popular with, for example, the American people. Give me a break.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The global Government is no longer a topic for Conspiracy Theorists according to another editorial in the same paper this week. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055438817

Of course it isn't. It's a dream held by millions. It's the end of international war. And certainly there are think tanks and advisory groups and conferences that work towards that goal. This isn't news, but the conspiracy theorists still build the whole thing up into a vast and shadowy story. Just as you're doing. Tell me, have you ever read Jon Ronson's Them? Excellent book that I suspect you'd enjoy.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The last part of the equation is to link all the global religions of the world together under a committee. This can be easily done through popular websites. Of course all committees need a leader :eek:

That's not really a global religion though, is it? In fact it's really, really far from that, isn't it? The devil is in the details. The component religions are simply not reconcilable. Half of them think that all the others are doomed to hellfire for their beliefs. It's ludicrous to think of this as anything more than an empty yet honourable gesture.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

When this "religious charter" is signed and sealed by prominant global church and state leaders I can also foresee anyone that disagrees with it will become the enemy.

I can't see that many people caring. I know I sure don't.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What dose Christ say about the persecution of his followers in end times? Read Matthew 24 .

End times prophesies exists so that a religion can perpetuate itself for its maximum possible lifetime. Every few hundred years things get bad for a religion and the fundamentalists pull the whole thing through with dark talk of prophesy and persecution. The great thing about that being that the End Times are always just around the corner. Not right now, but coming. Honestly. I mean it this time. This isn't like the first millennium and not the second one. Or 1666. But then you die and your world ends and everyone else forgets and it's business as usual until the next time something in the world changes that the religion doesn't like.

I think it was Neil Gaiman who summed it up best:

Gaiman wrote:

The world is always ending, for someone... We are always living in the final days. What have you got? A hundred years or much, much less until the end of your world.

Húrin

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Yes I have read it and there is no harmony between truth and error.

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? " 2 Corinthians 6:14

Christians have NO bond with people who deny Jesus is the Christ.
"And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?"
2 Corinthians 6:15

So you have no non-Christian friends? You think that Christian charities are wrong to help anyone who comes to them, without discrimination?

St Paul was talking about asbstaining from participating in sin with unbelievers - not all association.

Not all relationships with unbelievers are forbidden; just those that would compromise our faith. We certainly can share many kinds of experiences with unbelievers without committing sin, though not all these partnerships may be the wisest things we have done. Jesus ate with sinners, but did not participate in sin with them.

Zombrex

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The bottom line is, the Charter for Compassion Project is a globally orchistrated secular humanistic movement, that will seek to crush true Christianity. I see this organisation as a recruitment agency for Antichrist,

oh you see everything as a recruitment agency for the antichrist

who is to say we are anywhere close to the end times. might not happen for hundreds of thousands of years

Run_to_da_hills

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Yes... I'm sure RFID implants will be real popular with, for example, the American people. Give me a break.

As I have already stated Verichip has already been approved by the FDA and Microsoft.

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Tell me, have you ever read Jon Ronson's Them? Excellent book that I suspect you'd enjoy..

I haven read that one yet.

AtomicHorror wrote: »

That's not really a global religion though, is it? In fact it's really, really far from that, isn't it? The devil is in the details. The component religions are simply not reconcilable. Half of them think that all the others are doomed to hellfire for their beliefs. It's ludicrous to think of this as anything more than an empty yet Honorable gesture...

I take this with caution, It speaks of "world religious leaders" "getting together" "setting up guidelines". I would watch closely and take note of what Christian churches are in on it and what they have to say. I already see alarm bells coming from some of the independent church web sites.

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I can't see that many people caring. I know I sure don't....

Its early days yet.

Húrin wrote: »

So you have no non-Christian friends? You think that Christian charities are wrong to help anyone who comes to them, without discrimination?.

This is NOT a charity, its an attempt by some very high profile individuals including the founder of Google to unite all the worlds religious organizations and iron out their differences through a committee. This is NOT what Christ preached, He spoke "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature" Our lord commanded his followers to spread the message of salvation.

Wicknight wrote: »

oh you see everything as a recruitment agency for the Antichrist

I see everything that involves Globalization as setting up the stage for the Antichrist, it is said that he will not reveal himself until the stage is set.

Wicknight wrote: »

who is to say we are anywhere close to the end times. might not happen for hundreds of thousands of years

I never put dates on end times biblical events other than the said time line that is mentioned for the tribulation. However we are given clues related to cashless economics, globalization and religious harmony and I have already discussed them.

Nodin

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This is NOT a charity, its an attempt by some very high profile individuals including the founder of Google to unite all the worlds religious organizations and iron out their differences through a committee.

From their site, which you linked directly to yourself -

The Charter does NOT assume:

• all religions are the same
• compassion is the only thing that matters in religion
• religious people have a monopoly on compassion

The Charter DOES affirm that:

• compassion is celebrated in all major religious, spiritual and ethical traditions
• the Golden Rule is our prime duty and cannot be limited to our own political, religious or ethnic group
• therefore, in our divided world, compassion can build common ground

This is the second time I've had to point this out. Its blatantly obvious they are looking for "common ground" not seeking to create one religon. They mention religous differences at the start. You refuse to acknowledge this, but cherry pick rough facts from the site to suit your own prejudice and preconceived notion.

Run_to_da_hills

Nodin wrote: »

From their site, which you linked directly to yourself -

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This is the second time I've had to point this out. Its blatantly obvious they are looking for "common ground" not seeking to create one religon. They mention religous differences at the start. You refuse to acknowledge this, but cherry pick rough facts from the site to suit your own prejudice and preconceived notion.

Again read my original post, my concern is where all this can lead up to in its conclusion when a draft is set out by church and religious leaders from around the globe.

Those who are fundamental Bible believing and Bible honoring Christians know that they cannot compromise the truth that there is salvation in no other name than that of Jesus Christ. Those who make that compromise are not Christians at all but are just pseudo Christians.

PDN

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Again read my original post, my concern is where all this can lead up to in its conclusion when a draft is set out by church and religious leaders from around the globe.

Those who are fundamental Bible believing and Bible honoring Christians know that they cannot compromise the truth that there is salvation in no other name than that of Jesus Christ. Those who make that compromise are not Christians at all but are just pseudo Christians.

And those who work to show compassion to all are not compromising anything.

The real compromisers are those who take Christ's command to love our fellow men and pervert it into something mean-minded, small and unlovely. They are the pseudo-Christians.

Nodin

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Again read my original post, my concern is where all this can lead up to in its conclusion when a draft is set out by church and religious leaders from around the globe. .

You've provided no basis for your concern. You have provided evidence of your own predisposition, in copious amounts.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The mask these groupes wear is always one of “compassion” and “peace” but if you remove the mask, you will find only one simple thing, a will to power and enslavement of the world through the use of global charters, international courts of law and the destruction of autonomous nations. .

You haven't removed any "mask". You linked the site and made a number of wild claims only loosely based on its content. When challenged you replied with a large amount of arch-sectarian bile, backed up by what you believe to be similarly intentioned sections of scripture. No facts, no evidence, nothing, save your rantings.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

All one has to do is look at the U.N. Charter and you will see it is formulated by the same peace-propaganda that is employed by the Charter for Compassion which is ironically enough based on an intense hatred and misunderstanding of religion..

More delusional ranting. Quote the exact parts of the UN charter you refer to.

Run_to_da_hills

Nodin wrote: »

You've provided no basis for your concern. You have provided evidence of your own predisposition, in copious amounts.

The mask these groupes wear is always one of “peace” and “compassion”,

If you remove the mask, you will discover one simple thing, a will to power and enslavement of the world through the use of global charters, international courts of law and the destruction of autonomous nations.

Nodin

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The mask these groupes wear is always one of “peace” and “compassion”,

If you remove the mask, you will discover one simple thing, a will to power and enslavement of the world through the use of global charters, international courts of law and the destruction of autonomous nations.

You've provided no evidence that this is the case. Get cracking on those quotes.

AtomicHorror

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The mask these groupes wear is always one of “peace” and “compassion”,

If you remove the mask, you will discover one simple thing, a will to power and enslavement of the world through the use of global charters, international courts of law and the destruction of autonomous nations.

Can you demonstrate to us with some "evidence" that this is a mask rather than just being an actual interest in peace and compassion?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

As I have already stated Verichip has already been approved by the FDA and Microsoft.

And as I said, I don't see the American people going for that one as a compulsory measure. The FDA approve Viagra too. Is it forced upon us? And I certainly don't see a liberal government under Barak Obama so much as suggesting the idea of compulsory implants.

Plus, isn't the "mark of the beast" supposed to be upon the hand or forehead? The Verichip needs to be implanted in thicker tissue. Arms, legs, torso. The standard is the back of the arm.

All you're doing is connecting whatever dots fit your picture and disregarding the one's that do not.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I take this with caution, It speaks of "world religious leaders" "getting together" "setting up guidelines". I would watch closely and take note of what Christian churches are in on it and what they have to say. I already see alarm bells coming from some of the independent church web sites. Its early days yet.

Dear sweet Lord please tell me they're not "getting together" and doing paperwork. Soon we shall be buried 'neath the million memos of Evil. Standard Operating Procedures will dictate our every move. It will be like working at a call centre. Hell on Earth. The end is truly nigh.

Seriously, if the topic were something other than religion I think most people here would consider your position to be a result of severe paranoid delusion. Since I give no credence to religion, you can imagine how I see it.

Run_to_da_hills

AtomicHorror wrote: »

And as I said, I don't see the American people going for that one as a compulsory measure. And I certainly don't see a liberal government under Barak Obama so much as suggesting the idea.

Early days yet with Barac Obama.

AtomicHorror wrote: »

The Verichip needs to be implanted in thicker tissue. Arms, legs, torso. The standard is the back of the arm.

Source?

wolfsbane

Run_to_da_hills said:

I would suggest you read the charter and get back to me.

I have, but still did not see your comment expressed:
The Charter for Compassion has redefined compassion in such a way that it excludes any Christian who would dare call another human a sinner and then dogmatically proclaim salvation alone in Jesus Christ.

I may indeed have missed it, so please point to the text you think says this.

BTW, I'm not supporting the Charter, just the concept of showing compassion. The Charter is fundamentally flawed in its assertion that all religions have compassion/The Golden Rule as their basis. They all may well have it for their co-religionists, but some do not regard or treat infidels in the same manner.

So I'm not suggesting Christians should have anything to do with it. They should get on with doing good to all, without entering into pacts with other religions.

The danger of such pacts is that they move beyond their remit and end up a vehicle for compromising the faith. The shift occurs when the focus removes from compassionate acts to saying it is not compassionate/loving to suggest that another religion is false.

The same gospel that tells us to do good to all, tells us to evangelise all - that means telling them that their religion is false and they must come to God through Jesus Christ alone.

AtomicHorror

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Early days yet with Barac Obama.

Indeed. And thus it is rather hard to make preditions about what his term will be like. But it would be a bit of a leap to assume he'll be a rubbish president, a significant leap to assume that he'll stray massively from the party line and total delusional mentalism to assume that he'll impose a regime in which US citizens are implanted with microchips on a compulsory basis.

And also, well done on being the first person I've ever seen to cite a T-shirt as evidence. You are a comic genius, sir.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Source?

http://www.verichipcorp.com/content/company/corporatefaq

http://www.aimglobal.org/members/news/templates/template.aspx?articleid=1279&zoneid=42

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-125914259.html

And hell, you know, Wikipedia. Or Google it.

Run_to_da_hills

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Indeed. And thus it is rather hard to make preditions about what his term will be like. But it would be a bit of a leap to assume he'll be a rubbish president, a significant leap to assume that he'll stray massively from the party line and total delusional mentalism to assume that he'll impose a regime in which US citizens are implanted with microchips on a compulsory basis..

Going by his "religious" background in his election manifesto Obama would certainly make good material for the CT forum. Even more so if he is the very man that will broker peace in the Middle East.

AtomicHorror wrote: »

http://www.verichipcorp.com/content/company/corporatefaq

http://www.aimglobal.org/members/news/templates/template.aspx?articleid=1279&zoneid=42

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-125914259.html
And hell, you know, Wikipedia. Or Google it.

You are hardly going to get a FAQ from verichip claiming the suitability of their product to be in the right hand or forehead. :rolleyes:

One only has to look at the practical reasons for having a chip in the right hand, IE transit, security and retail RFID touch pads currently used through the world with smart cards and chipped passports.



A microchip near the triceps would not make much sense at all. A chip in the forehead / hand would also make sense when it comes to using combines thumb / retina security scanners. it would save a considerable amount of time at Airport security.

AtomicHorror

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Going by his "religious" background in his election manifesto Obama would certainly make good material for the CT forum. Even more so if he is the very man that will broker peace in the Middle East.

Good material for the CT forum? Take it there so.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You are hardly going to get a FAQ from verichip claiming the suitability of their product to be in the right hand or forehead. :rolleyes:

One reference of three that I provided. But anyway, the reasons why the the chip wouldn't be suitable for insertion into the forehead or hand are because the thing is actually fairly big. In your forehead it would leave a noticeable lump and in your hand something of a bump combined with some discomfort.

Tell you what, since you're the one making the the vague claims, how about you provide some decent sources? I'll even promise not to use the rolleyes emote as a response, if only because most of the people who use it are idiots.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

One only has to look at the practical reasons for having a chip in the right hand, IE transit, security and retail RFID touch pads currently used through the world with smart cards and chipped passports.

Oh yeah, plus the ease of removal from shallow tissue. RFID needs no touch pads, that's the whole damn point of the tech. It's location in your body is largely immaterial as long as it's close-ish to the skin surface and not sticking out in a lump.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

A microchip near the triceps would not make much sense at all. A chip in the forehead / hand would also make sense when it comes to using combines thumb / retina security scanners. it would save a considerable amount of time at Airport security.

Why? Why does the location matter for any of these applications? Retina scanners? Put it in your eye? Thumb scanners? Stick it in your thumb? Honestly, what are you on about? And if we're using that tech as standard practise then what use is RFID for those stated applications anyway? These are situations in which the biometric data would be linked to a database entry with full details. RFID is only useful when database access is not easy or practical.

Run_to_da_hills

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Good material for the CT forum? Take it there so.

Too early yet, One must first wait and see how he gets on with brokering peace in the middle east.

I have decided to move the topic of Verichip over to the appropriate thread.

Nodin

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Going by his "religious" background in his election manifesto.

More Obama waffle. Are you trying to change the subject?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You are hardly going to get a FAQ from verichip claiming the suitability of their product to be in the right hand or forehead. :rolleyes:.

So essentially you've decided to just state its so and evidence be damned.

Zombrex

Are we still on this whole "bar-codes have the number 666 in them (even though they don't) and an RFID tag is like a bar-code (only if you don't know anything about either of them beyond that they can be scanned), and RFID takes can by placed in the hand (or anywhere else on the body), so that is how the mark of the beast gets on the hands!!" nonsense?

The argument is like saying Jesus will arrive back on a cloud, clouds are made of water, water reflects the sun, so do mirrors, mirrors are made out of glass, glass is like fiberglass, planes are made out of fiber glass, ah ha! Jesus will return in a plane!! Lets all go out and watch planes arrive

Run_to_da_hills

Wicknight wrote: »

Are we still on this whole "bar-codes have the number 666 in them (even though they don't) and an RFID tag is like a bar-code (only if you don't know anything about either of them beyond that they can be scanned), and RFID takes can by placed in the hand (or anywhere else on the body), so that is how the mark of the beast gets on the hands!!" nonsense?]

Why don't you proclaim your theory that they don't contain 666 to the world so that Christians will accept the coded implant when the time comes.:rolleyes:

Nodin

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Why don't you proclaim your theory that they don't contain 666 to the world

But thats not a theory. Thats a fact.

AtomicHorror

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Why don't you proclaim your theory that they don't contain 666 to the world so that Christians will accept the coded implant when the time comes.:rolleyes:

Why don't you provide some evidence that they do? Or that they are intended for implanting into the hands or forehead.

The Mad Hatter

Nodin wrote: »

But thats not a theory. Thats a fact.

This got an unreasonable amount of lol from me.

Run_to_da_hills

Nodin wrote: »

But thats not a theory. Thats a fact.

Thats exactly what Satan will try to tell us. :rolleyes:



A kids website explains it quite well

When God made man there was only ONE rule to which man had to comply.
God said, "Do not eat from the tree of knowledge or you will surely die."

Satan said, "You will not die. The fruit will simply open your eyes.
You will be like God, knowing good and evil, and you will be wise."

Adam and Eve believed Satan and they ate from the forbidden tree.
And death entered the world because God�s Word they did not believe.

God said, "If you receive the mark of the beast on your hand or head,
I will punish and kill you and cast you into hell when you are dead."

Satan said, "You will not die. If my mark you will only receive,
then you may buy and sell, and become prosperous and wealthy."

Ugly painful sores gradually appeared on all who wore Satan�s mark,
and God made them suffer in agony in extreme heat and in the dark.

http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgur...%3Den%26sa%3DG

The Mad Hatter

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

A kids website explains it quite well

When God made man there was only ONE rule to which man had to comply.
God said, "Do not eat from the tree of knowledge or you will surely die."

Satan said, "You will not die. The fruit will simply open your eyes.
You will be like God, knowing good and evil, and you will be wise."

Adam and Eve believed Satan and they ate from the forbidden tree.
And death entered the world because God�s Word they did not believe.

God said, "If you receive the mark of the beast on your hand or head,
I will punish and kill you and cast you into hell when you are dead."

Satan said, "You will not die. If my mark you will only receive,
then you may buy and sell, and become prosperous and wealthy."

Ugly painful sores gradually appeared on all who wore Satan�s mark,
and God made them suffer in agony in extreme heat and in the dark.

http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://grandpappy.info/ymark3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://grandpappy.info/pmark.htm&usg=__jTvHLTBWmAFFzKIIPc1F7RllXUA=&h=359&w=313&sz=14&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=b87NRQCUbsHN3M:&tbnh=121&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3D666%2Bmark%2Bof%2Bbeast%2Bsores%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

Taken from a book (Good Omens by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman)

'You've got to admit it's a bit of a pantomime, though,' said Crawly. 'I mean, pointing out the Tree and saying "Don't Touch" in big letters. Not very subtle, is it? I mean, why not put it on top of a high mountain or a long way off? Makes you wonder what He's really planning.'

Run_to_da_hills

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Taken from a book (Good Omens by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman)

'You've got to admit it's a bit of a pantomime, though,' said Crawly. 'I mean, pointing out the Tree and saying "Don't Touch" in big letters. Not very subtle, is it? I mean, why not put it on top of a high mountain or a long way off? Makes you wonder what He's really planning.'

I take it symbolically, Ie man disobeying Gods command and suffering the consequences, likewise one will suffer the consequences by taking the implant. Once the implant is received one becomes the "living damned" even if they attempted to remove it.

BTW Israel is to roll out biometric RFID cards which is one step closer to the "mark".
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1ihUIofCaxs/STT8R8dvWWI/AAAAAAAAAuA/t6nOhHSqnPA/s1600-h/israel.bmp

Húrin

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Seriously, if the topic were something other than religion I think most people here would consider your position to be a result of severe paranoid delusion. Since I give no credence to religion, you can imagine how I see it.

I am a Christian too and I think his position is paranoid delusion.

Run_to_da_hills

Húrin wrote: »

I am a Christian too and I think his position is paranoid delusion.

Do you take the Book of Revelation as a bed time story?

Nodin

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Thats exactly what Satan will try to tell us. :rolleyes:



A kids website (......Snip.......)and in the dark.

None of which relates to there being no 666 on the chip. We still have no evidence provided by you to contradict that.

Has anybody taken one of these chips, analysed it, and had its contents and their conclusions published in a peer reviewed journal? (Thats not like a self published title somebodys mates read before it was sent off to the printers, btw)

Run_to_da_hills

Nodin wrote: »

None of which relates to there being no 666 on the chip. We still have no evidence provided by you to contradict that.

Has anybody taken one of these chips, analysed it, and had its contents and their conclusions published in a peer reviewed journal? (Thats not like a self published title somebodys mates read before it was sent off to the printers, btw)

I doubt if one will find the number "666" etched inside every Veriichip implant or any of its follow ups. :rolleyes:

The code would more than likely be hidden in the numerical system of identity when the time comes.

Nodin

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I doubt if one will find the number "666" etched inside every Veriichip implant or any of its follow ups. :rolleyes:

So the answer is "no" then.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The code would more than likely be hidden in the numerical system of identity when the time comes.

Fascinating. And thats based on leaked documents, or a press release....? Do please give us your sources.

Run_to_da_hills

Nodin wrote: »

So the answer is "no" then.
Fascinating. And thats based on leaked documents, or a press release....? Do please give us your sources.

:rolleyes:

I see troll coming from your posts. I have provided enough links on the subject if you care to read them. I can see that you are only trying to argue for the sake of it.

AtomicHorror

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Thats exactly what Satan will try to tell us. :rolleyes:

And what will you say in response? We're saying it to you right now. And we're saying "show us the evidence". You're not delivering, so what are we to think?

AtomicHorror

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

:rolleyes:

I see troll coming from your posts. I have provided enough links on the subject if you care to read them. I can see that you are only trying to argue for the sake of it.

If you're not a troll you need therapy. I know, I know. That's exactly what Satan would say.