buy irish..employ irish

whitser · 03-12-2008 04:54PM #1

the powers that be are telling everyone to be patriotic and buy irish. maybe then they can also call on employers to only employ irish. the party's over now and its time we started to look after our own. there's plenty of good irish workers out there looking for work.

CerebralCortex · 03-12-2008 05:24PM

Seig Hail!!

whitser · 03-12-2008 05:28PM

obviously your not an unemployed contruction worker. this isnt a racist comment. racism means to feel superiour to other races. im just saying should we not be helping irish people to get through the recession first?

whitser · 03-12-2008 05:31PM

CerebralCortex wrote: »

Seig Hail!!

thats another thing that pxsses me off. if you dare to question anything to do with immigration your fobbed off as a nazi.

mikemac · 03-12-2008 05:31PM

Typical response above in post 2

But yes, in past years it was difficult to get a summer jobs when you are competing against thousands of others.
And going by this weeks Primetime, you are competing against many people who won't or can't speak up for themselves and are willing to get under minimum wage. Undercutting everyone else.

I've worked in a small hotel of 19 staff.
Only 3 of us were Irish. And when you have guests commenting on it, you know you have a problem.

CerebralCortex · 03-12-2008 05:35PM

Nope we should help anyone who pays or has paid taxes. I have many close relations in the construction sector who are out of work not because of people who came here to work but because poor economic conditions world wide and also due to the fact of having construction as one of the pillars of the economy. Which of course is a big mistake. Now there isn't much that can be done for all those who were misguided enough to believe an unbridled construction boom was sustainable.

sink · 03-12-2008 05:35PM

micmclo wrote: »

Typical response above in post 2

But yes, in past years it was difficult to get a summer jobs when you are competing against thousands of others.
And going by this weeks Primetime, you are competing against many people who won't or can't speak up for themselves and are willing to get under minimum wage. Undercutting everyone else.

I've worked in a small hotel of 19 staff.
Only 3 of us were Irish. And when you have guests commenting on it, you know you have a problem.

My family ran a few restaurants up until a few years ago and you couldn't find two decent Irish employee's to rub together. No self respecting Irish person wanted to serve tables, if it wasn't for foreigners the restaurants would've gone under. All were paid decent wages and legal.

whitser · 03-12-2008 05:35PM

if its unpatriotic to shop across the border??then surley its unpatriotic to employ a foreign worker whos sending home most of their wages back home rather then spending it here, when theres plenty of irish men/women struggling to survive on the dole.
please no more silly nazi remarks.

whitser · 03-12-2008 05:38PM

CerebralCortex wrote: »

Nope we should help anyone who pays or has paid taxes. I have many close relations in the construction sector who are out of work not because of people who came here to work but because poor economic conditions world wide and also due to the fact of having construction as one of the pillars of the economy. Which of course is a big mistake. Now there isn't much that can be done for all those who were misguided enough to believe an unbridled construction boom was sustainable.

look im not blaming lads being out of work on foreigners. what im saying is now that work is scarce shouldnt we look after our own?

mikemac · 03-12-2008 05:39PM

I must have been someone with no self respect so as it's was the only job I could get to stay off the dole

Never worked in construction but I sure worked in many hotels

CerebralCortex · 03-12-2008 05:39PM

whitser wrote: »

if its unpatriotic to shop across the border??then surley its unpatriotic to employ a foreign worker whos sending home most of their wages back home rather then spending it here, when theres plenty of irish men/women struggling to survive on the dole.
please no more silly nazi remarks.

They can do what they like what the money they make thats why we have income tax. There is plenty of Irish people who ride the social welfare system at least those that came here to work actually worked which means in way they want to be part of our economy.

oscarBravo · 03-12-2008 05:40PM

whitser wrote: »

if its unpatriotic to shop across the border??then surley its unpatriotic to employ a foreign worker whos sending home most of their wages back home rather then spending it here, when theres plenty of irish men/women struggling to survive on the dole.

Neither is unpatriotic.

Permabear · 03-12-2008 05:41PM

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CerebralCortex · 03-12-2008 05:42PM

whitser wrote: »

look im not blaming lads being out of work on foreigners. what im saying is now that work is scarce shouldnt we look after our own?

Have you been disenfranchised recently? I would consider my friends and associates living raising famillies here as my own. Where would you draw the line? Do you forget how important these people are to a grossly under populated nation?

Executive Steve · 03-12-2008 05:44PM

Can we make them wear yellow stars for a few months before we send them home?

julius128 · 03-12-2008 05:45PM

in General (Not in all cases) foreigners are getting more involved into work and willing to work much harder, that is probably the reason employers wish to have foreigners.

jmayo · 03-12-2008 05:58PM

whitser wrote: »

if its unpatriotic to shop across the border??then surley its unpatriotic to employ a foreign worker whos sending home most of their wages back home rather then spending it here, when theres plenty of irish men/women struggling to survive on the dole.
please no more silly nazi remarks.

There would be no silly Nazi remarks if you didn't try and drag "jobs for the Irish only" remark into all this in the first place.

Foreign workers are here because there were lots of jobs Irish people would not do, either becuase of what the jobs were or how much the pay was.
As we have learnt lately Irish scum employers wnated slave labour.

Why didn't the ones that have been on the dole for the last 7/8 years get off their ar*** and do these jobs and demand fair pay?
No, what they did was continue to sponge off the state, then they went round mouthing about foreigners coming here taking our jobs.

As for sending money home to their own country, why don't you ask lots of older people in this country how they survived through the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s because family members went to work in Uk or further afield and sent money home.
Or perhaps your family was one of the very few lucky ones that had no emmigrants :rolleyes:
And yes I am resurrecting the old chestnut of "we were emmigrants so why shouldn't others come to our coutnry if they are willing to work and contribute".
I suppose you would also be pro getting green cards for our own in the USA.

BTW what will you like the Poles to say when it will be us that are over in their country seeking work ?

It is always easy to start blaming foreigners or minorities when times get tough. History is litered with such instances.
It is a surprise that no one in our government had started on this line yet.

Fratton Fred · 03-12-2008 05:59PM

what about all the Irish overseas? should they all be forced to return as well or should other countries happily employ them, in a do "One rule for us" type situation.

By the way, once you've got me sacked from my job for being an immigrant, are you going to pay to look after my Irish wife and family?

just asking.

Permabear · 03-12-2008 06:01PM

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midlandsmissus · 03-12-2008 06:23PM

whitser wrote: »

obviously your not an unemployed contruction worker. this isnt a racist comment. racism means to feel superiour to other races. im just saying should we not be helping irish people to get through the recession first?

Yes but what is your definition of 'irish'. Would you think it would be okay to go and work in England as a matter of interest?

O'Morris · 03-12-2008 07:28PM

We had the option along with other European countries to restrict access to the Eastern Europeans at the time of EU enlargement a few years ago. In hindsight we would have been better off if we had restricted that access as we wouldn't be in the position now of having to support tens of thousands of extra workers on the dole. It would also be much easier for people on the dole to get back into employment as the competition for the available jobs would not have been as intense.

silverharp · 03-12-2008 07:41PM

last time I looked we were still in the EU, so the discussion is useless. Personally even though I am Irish I have more in common with some non nationals then I do with some Irish people, so who is anyone to judge who is worthy or not to stay/work in the country
I have never seen a country increase its prosperity by enacting immigration barriers retrospectively

Acacia · 03-12-2008 08:18PM

jmayo wrote: »

BTW what will you like the Poles to say when it will be us that are over in their country seeking work ?

Why would Irish people be going to Poland to seek work? Surely we would go to the more 'traditional' countries like the U.S. and Australia?

As for the rest of your post, I would largely agree with the sentiment behind it. However, I think the OP has the right to ask the question without the old Nazi/ racism card thrown about. It adds nothing to the discussion, imo.

ChocolateSauce · 03-12-2008 08:33PM

sink wrote: »

My family ran a few restaurants up until a few years ago and you couldn't find two decent Irish employee's to rub together. No self respecting Irish person wanted to serve tables, if it wasn't for foreigners the restaurants would've gone under. All were paid decent wages and legal.

I'm not at all disagreeing with you, but why is it that I could never find a waiting job? They always wanted someone with 1-2 years experience!

purple'n'gold · 03-12-2008 09:25PM

whitser wrote: »

thats another thing that pxsses me off. if you dare to question anything to do with immigration your fobbed off as a nazi.

I was just browsing through this thread and did not really intend to comment until I seen this Seig Hail nonsense. It really annoys me when uninformed people try and smear every one they disagree with on any subject concerning immigration or other nationalities as Nazis. They should try and educate themselves as to who the Nazis were. And I mean real Nazis. Not half witted skin head thugs who only attack when the odds are 10 to 1 in their favour. I’ll start them off in their quest for knowledge. Real Nazis were probably the most dangerous people that ever walked the earth. Check out the detail for yourselves. Start here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchenwald

Fratton Fred · 03-12-2008 09:54PM

O'Morris wrote: »

We had the option along with other European countries to restrict access to the Eastern Europeans at the time of EU enlargement a few years ago. In hindsight we would have been better off if we had restricted that access as we wouldn't be in the position now of having to support tens of thousands of extra workers on the dole. It would also be much easier for people on the dole to get back into employment as the competition for the available jobs would not have been as intense.

I don't think Ireland did have a choice in reality. Ireland was qui9te happy to take the EU's money, I would be very surprised if that didn't come with strings attached. It would have also created a massive skills shortage in this country.

Mr.Micro · 03-12-2008 10:07PM

Originally Posted by O'Morris
We had the option along with other European countries to restrict access to the Eastern Europeans at the time of EU enlargement a few years ago. In hindsight we would have been better off if we had restricted that access as we wouldn't be in the position now of having to support tens of thousands of extra workers on the dole. It would also be much easier for people on the dole to get back into employment as the competition for the available jobs would not have been as intense.

Where would Ireland be now if that happened? Nowhere, a third world country on the periphery of Europe. We have long wanted to be in the big boys club and now that we got there in the last 10 years or so, it is not to the likeing of many. There is a price to pay for everything. We cannot just cut ourselves off when it suits. We took the EU money for decades, then squandered it or at least those that got it did and often did not put it to the use it was obtained for. If we had a proper Government with at least one brain, the economic success would have been built upon, but no the plan was to build and build and build, and thats probably still the plan.

ShooterSF · 03-12-2008 10:09PM

purplengold wrote: »

I was just browsing through this thread and did not really intend to comment until I seen this Seig Hail nonsense. It really annoys me when uninformed people try and smear every one they disagree with on any subject concerning immigration or other nationalities as Nazis. They should try and educate themselves as to who the Nazis were. And I mean real Nazis. Not half witted skin head thugs who only attack when the odds are 10 to 1 in their favour. I’ll start them off in their quest for knowledge. Real Nazis were probably the most dangerous people that ever walked the earth. Check out the detail for yourselves. Start here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchenwald

Agreed. Plenty of users here that if you called our government trying to push through a certain european treaty fascist would be quick to point out, righfully, the difference. I remember some posters getting infuriated when it was compared to Zimbabwe.
Yet it's fine to compare discussing immigration laws to the Nazis during the 40's? :eek:
Bull.

oscarBravo · 03-12-2008 10:15PM

I shouldn't have to keep saying this, but if you have a problem with a post, report it. Complaining about posts in-thread just drags the conversation off-topic.

SeanW · 04-12-2008 12:16AM

[cm]tyranny wrote: »

Can we make them wear yellow stars for a few months before we send them home?

Ah, yes, anyone who takes even a mildly conservative view of immigrantion must be a Nazi.

Sorry, but you just failed Godwin's Law.

whitser · 04-12-2008 10:19AM

look i've worked with lads on site from all over the place. most were good genuine workers. in fact with an old boss i actually helped them to get paid properly cos the dirt bag i used to work for was paying them below the trade rate. so i have no problem with foreign workers. but when most of my friends are out of work now or will be at xmass,probably myself included, its hard to see why any jobs that are still on sites are filled by foreign workers.
i can only speak from personnal experience in the construction industry,but most poles are here in the short term so wouldnt it help our economy to make sure men with mortgages and long term ties to the country are in work.

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