CCTV cameras that can predict potential crimes in advace to be rolled out in the UK.

Run_to_da_hills · 28-11-2008 01:55PM #1

CCTV cameras loaded with software that can predict potential crimes in advance that are to be rolled out on to British streets according to the Daily Mail.

THey can alert suspicious behaviour such as loitering and slow movemnt and then zoom in and alert the authorities. This is like Si Fi stuff taken directly out of the movie Minority Report or Densel Washingtons Deja Vu.

But the danger is that the innocent could be forced to account for their movements despite doing nothing wrong. Nick Hewitson, managing director of Smart CCTV, which has created the technology, denied it was a further infringement on privacy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1089966/Minority-Report-comes-Britain-The-CCTV-spots-crimes-BEFORE-happen.html

Professey Chin · 28-11-2008 01:56PM

Great. No looking at the arse of girls walking in front of me anymore

Danbo! · 28-11-2008 01:59PM

http://www.boards.org.uk/

Mark200 · 28-11-2008 02:04PM

Domo230 wrote: »

Its only 24 years later than Orwell predicted but finally 1984 is going to be a reality.

Yep

There's approximately 1 CCTV camera for every 14 people in Britain

Professey Chin · 28-11-2008 02:06PM

Mark200 wrote: »

Yep

There's approximately 1 CCTV camera for every 14 people in Britain

How many do we have??

AnonoBoy · 28-11-2008 02:08PM

Mark200 wrote: »

Yep

There's approximately 1 CCTV camera for every 14 people in Britain

That's a bit sh*t. Imagine the fights over who gets to use it next. They need more.

biko · 28-11-2008 02:09PM

As long as the software is open source I'm ok with it.

jebuz · 28-11-2008 02:10PM

noblestee wrote: »

http://www.boards.org.uk/

jesus, don't be such a knob!

Run_to_da_hills · 28-11-2008 02:35PM

noblestee wrote: »

http://www.boards.org.uk/

This dose concern Ireland and many posters on boards.ie reside in the UK.

The Irish authorities are also very quick to follow the UK in surveillance technology as I have already pointed out in several threads.

Terry · 28-11-2008 02:36PM

jebuz wrote: »

jesus, don't be such a knob!

Careful now.

As for cameras, I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. If you are not breaking the law, you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Guru Maith Agut · 28-11-2008 02:36PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This dose

What dose would that be then?

Professey Chin · 28-11-2008 02:40PM

Terry wrote: »

Careful now.

As for cameras, I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. If you are not breaking the law, you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Unless these things come in and decide youre going to break the law. Personally I don't fancy bein tackled by random gardai cause my movement suggests I'm gonna rape some girl.
I might just want to feel her up without consent :pac:

Terry · 28-11-2008 02:44PM

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Unless these things come in and decide youre going to break the law. Personally I don't fancy bein tackled by random gardai cause my movement suggests I'm gonna rape some girl.
I might just want to feel her up without consent :pac:

Don't loiter then.

Raze_them_all · 28-11-2008 02:45PM

Terry wrote: »

Careful now.

As for cameras, I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. If you are not breaking the law, you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Easy for some to say, I would bet you've never been searched by guards while waiting for your gf/oh/friends only for family members to walk by, Can be rather embarrassing trying to explain that they were searching you because you were standing around waiting.

Professey Chin · 28-11-2008 02:48PM

Terry wrote: »

Don't loiter then.

Keep moving so. I like your style

Nodin · 28-11-2008 02:49PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

But the danger is that the innocent could be forced to account for their movements despite doing nothing wrong.

Much like driving while black, and walking while muslim (updated from the old "Irish while breathing". Nothing new there then. As long as they don't incorporate the penalty from the new offence of innocent while Brazillian, it probably won't change much on the ground.

cornbb · 28-11-2008 02:52PM

Terry wrote: »

As for cameras, I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. If you are not breaking the law, you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

No wai! Its a slippery slope. Would you really be comfortable with a higher power being able to monitor and record every move you make and every detail of your life and personality? The key thing is that western governments are relatively benevolent/democratic/whatever now compared to what Orwell describes, but mass-surveillance technology in a different, future government's hands would turn society into a nightmarish world.

Everyone should value their privacy, whether or not they are breaking the law. No government or authority should have the right to intrude into your personal life, just to check on the off-chance that you might be breaking the law.

Terry · 28-11-2008 02:54PM

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Easy for some to say, I would bet you've never been searched by guards while waiting for your gf/oh/friends only for family members to walk by, Can be rather embarrassing trying to explain that they were searching you because you were standing around waiting.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

When I was about 16 the cops would search me any time they saw me. Sometimes in front of my neighbours.
I just never carried the hash with me, so they never found anything.

Dinter · 28-11-2008 02:59PM

cornbb wrote: »

Everyone should value their privacy, whether or not they are breaking the law. No government or authority should have the right to intrude into your personal life, just to check on the off-chance that you might be breaking the law.

When the Government place cctv cameras in my house then I'll worry about my right to privacy.

Otherwise if I'm out on the street I'll freely waive my "right" to privacy as it must be weighed against everyones right to walk around without being mugged, beaten up etc.

Raze_them_all · 28-11-2008 03:09PM

Terry wrote: »

Are you ****ing kidding me?

When I was about 16 the cops would search me any time they saw me. Sometimes in front of my neighbours.
I just never carried the hash with me, so they never found anything.

ah but how old are you now??? I've yet to see the guards stop anyone late 20's/early 30's on the street and search them. I'm 20, Mohawk and usually have a black eye from training, while I admit it's not the best look it doesn't give the guards the right to stop me and search me as much as they do, let alone what would happen if these camera's were brought in over here.I got searched once while waiting for my girlfriend at the time by the guards...In front of her family who were at the afters of a wedding, not a great first impression to give and all because I was just standing around waiting for her

Raze_them_all · 28-11-2008 03:11PM

Dinter wrote: »

When the Government place cctv cameras in my house then I'll worry about my right to privacy.

Otherwise if I'm out on the street I'll freely waive my "right" to privacy as it must be weighed against everyones right to walk around without being mugged, beaten up etc.

You'd be surprised how much they can see you do in yourhouse just by having camera's on the street opposite.

Terry · 28-11-2008 03:15PM

Raze_them_all wrote: »

ah but how old are you now??? I've yet to see the guards stop anyone late 20's/early 30's on the street and search them. I'm 20, Mohawk and usually have a black eye from training, while I admit it's not the best look it doesn't give the guards the right to stop me and search me as much as they do, let alone what would happen if these camera's were brought in over here.I got searched once while waiting for my girlfriend at the time by the guards...In front of her family who were at the afters of a wedding, not a great first impression to give and all because I was just standing around waiting for her

Get a haircut, hippy.

All things considered, most people have grown out of the illegal drug crap by the time they are in their late 20's. The people most likely to be carrying drugs are those on the fringes of society. Most of the time those people stand out.

You will continue to be searched while dressing like you do. The gardai have the right ot search anyone they suspect of carrying anything illegal.

Professey Chin · 28-11-2008 03:19PM

Raze_them_all wrote: »

ah but how old are you now??? I've yet to see the guards stop anyone late 20's/early 30's on the street and search them. I'm 20, Mohawk and usually have a black eye from training, while I admit it's not the best look it doesn't give the guards the right to stop me and search me as much as they do, let alone what would happen if these camera's were brought in over here.I got searched once while waiting for my girlfriend at the time by the guards...In front of her family who were at the afters of a wedding, not a great first impression to give and all because I was just standing around waiting for her

Simple solution. Shave your head and keep your hands up.Worked wonders for me

Raze_them_all · 28-11-2008 03:26PM

Terry wrote: »

Get a haircut, hippy.

You will continue to be searched while dressing like you do. The gardai have the right ot search anyone they suspect of carrying anything illegal.

Dressing as I do? Jeans and a tshirt or jeans and a shirt is what I'm usually wearing

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Simple solution. Shave your head and keep your hands up.Worked wonders for me

I would but I've a nasty scar that my hair hides that I wouldn't like to get re opened. Keeping my hands up didn't help last sat as seen by my execution on youtube lol

Professey Chin · 28-11-2008 03:33PM

Raze_them_all wrote: »

I would but I've a nasty scar that my hair hides that I wouldn't like to get re opened. Keeping my hands up didn't help last sat as seen by my execution on youtube lol

Well then. Next time you'll know to avoid little iraq in the middle of town

Mark200 · 29-11-2008 12:57AM

Terry wrote: »

As for cameras, I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. If you are not breaking the law, you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

I used to think that, but I just now think it's a bit scary and somewhat worrying that it can soon get to the stage that you can't walk anywhere without the Government knowing that you're moving, where you were, where you're going to.

I'm not one of those tin-foil-hat guys by any measure, but still...

I don't think the current Government would abuse it, but future governments might.

Check out "True Stories: Taking Liberties" if you're interested. It opened my eyes a bit too.

Here's the first part on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j21rcnJ3EO8
second:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQv0cF_in3Y
Third:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2Ex_KaiXi8
Fourth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZvgZSqDkKs
Fifth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20frO8GMpJ4

Run_to_da_hills · 29-11-2008 01:46AM

Mark200 wrote: »

I don't think the current Government would abuse it, but future governments might.

It would be the up and coming pan European EU Police state I would be concerned about. We are already on the slippery slope of sharing traffic offenses with UK and the rest of Europe, next it will be public order offenses.

justmum · 29-11-2008 09:42AM

And how long do you think it'll take for all those criminals out there to figure this all out. In some countries for example there is a 24 hour patroll on every street and every corner, and it worked for a while but they got around it and the crime levels are back to what they were before it all came in to action.

Fad · 29-11-2008 10:55AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

CCTV cameras loaded with software that can predict potential crimes in advance that are to be rolled out on to British streets according to the Daily Mail.

There's your problem,

RAG!

Terry · 29-11-2008 11:06AM

Mark200 wrote: »

I used to think that, but I just now think it's a bit scary and somewhat worrying that it can soon get to the stage that you can't walk anywhere without the Government knowing that you're moving, where you were, where you're going to.

I'm not one of those tin-foil-hat guys by any measure, but still...

I don't think the current Government would abuse it, but future governments might.

Check out "True Stories: Taking Liberties" if you're interested. It opened my eyes a bit too.

Here's the first part on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j21rcnJ3EO8
second:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQv0cF_in3Y
Third:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2Ex_KaiXi8
Fourth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZvgZSqDkKs
Fifth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20frO8GMpJ4

I honestly do not care what information the government have on me.
If they want my blood type, I'll gladly tell them. (Not that I know what it is though)
If they want to know how many time I fart every day, I'll start counting. Although, I have no idea why they would need such a useless piece of information.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It would be the up and coming pan European EU Police state I would be concerned about. We are already on the slippery slope of sharing traffic offenses with UK and the rest of Europe, next it will be public order offenses.

And the problem with keeping track of reckless drivers is?

They already share information on football hooligans. Do you have a problem with that too?

Listen, if they start taking liberties like telling us when to go to bed, then we'll have a revolution. Until that happens, you all need to relax.

hot2def · 29-11-2008 11:11AM

Terry wrote: »

Careful now.

As for cameras, I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. If you are not breaking the law, you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

no, as long as you aren't breaking the law *or* find that measures like these diminish your privacy and/or quality of life.

CCTV cameras that can predict potential crimes in advace to be rolled out in the UK.

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