If an 11 stone man was attacked by a 14 stone man......

Clive · 19-11-2008 12:11AM

This kitchen paper is getting pretty soggy - if you don't send me your credit card details soon, I'll have to "log off".

Dragan · 19-11-2008 05:50PM

Clive wrote: »

metric system

Less of this talk of magic and mystery please Clive.

Metric System? That right up there with dinosaurs for being dolally.

As for Shmuck, anybody else wanna pop him in for an award for most fitting user name?

beGood · 19-11-2008 06:12PM

Forget elbows to the face, the best self defence is to eat your way up to 14 stone and that will even up the odds. Or if you're very dedicated eat your way up to 15 stone and then you are invincible. :rolleyes:

yomchi · 19-11-2008 11:30PM

Roper wrote: »

Oddly enough, I didn't know what drittle was until that post but I did know what a wodge was.

Well I knew what drittle was*

*No i didn't

DeVore · 20-11-2008 03:15PM

Back on topic please, ta.

Speaking as an 11 stoner (ok... 12 stone since recently but I'm back in training)... I would concur with the replies on page 1, its more then possible to knock out a 14 stone guy but getting the strike right will be a lot trickier.

If you are talking about being in a street fight, most guys with that big a size advantage would be looking to smother you so more effective would be grapples and knees (I'm thinking Muay Thai here).

(On a related note, my trip to Thailand last year brought me in contact with the Irish government representative who said that about once a month some plonker of a paddy decides to try out the "all comers" muay thai contests that you find there occasionally and get put in hospital with concussion. According to him, a lot of the big irish guys think they will crush the small, light Thai guys

)

DeV.

Nothingcompares · 20-11-2008 04:45PM

DeVore wrote: »

If you are talking about being in a street fight, most guys with that big a size advantage would be looking to smother you so more effective would be grapples and knees (I'm thinking Muay Thai here).

I think everyone has their own opinion on "what happens in a street fight" but I have to ask you what you have based this statement on? Have you seen a lot of "big guys" fight "little guys"? Have you been in a lot of street fights? have you seen lots of videos of street fights? Have you heard a lot of stories about street fights?

I don't think there are too many common traits between fights that happen on the street.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 20-11-2008 06:11PM

Nothingcompares wrote: »

I don't think there are too many common traits between fights that happen on the street.

Common traits, well in my experience what most street fights share in common is two fucking morons who couldn't box eggs swinging big farmer hooks and kicking like sissies.

In over 15yrs working doors in bars and clubs I've probably seen a handfull of lads who could genuinely fight.

Small, medium or big it usually came down to aggression and intent. And in a very tiny minority a genuine ability to fight.

So, serious answer. Could an 11st guy KO a 14 stoner - absolutely no problem at all.

tallaght01 · 20-11-2008 06:13PM

Just look at the forces involved. The force generated by an 11 stoner could easily knock out a 14 stone guy.

Forget his knees....I'd be goin straight for the scrote!

DeVore · 20-11-2008 07:10PM

He described being backed into a corner by a big guy. Seems obvious enough what happens after that. Not that its any of your business per se but yes, I grew up in a rough area and have lived in north central for most of my life and have had more then my fair share of fights. Most street fights are messy and rather *unlike* bar scene brawls in the movies with their clean swings and cracking connection to the chin of the opponent only for him to come back and do the same. A real fight being much messier and fair bit of collar/shoulder-grabbing grappling with the odd dig thrown in.

Personally, I'm 5'10 and 11.5 stone (nearly) but what I cant understand is, if the guy is 14 stone and presumably a few inches taller here, whats wrong with a good old fashioned knee to the jewels?

DeV.

Nothingcompares · 20-11-2008 08:03PM

So we have expert number one saying "all" street fights consist two blokes throwing digs and kicking like sissies all over the place and we have expert number 2 saying all street fights involve the bigger bloke clinching the smaller bloke. One expert analysis is based on watching drunks get in rows in pubs/outside clubs and the other is based on growing up in a rough area.

I don't think it's too unfair of me to say there is no expert or informed view here, its all based on anecdotal experience. That is why I'm calling into question any statements made given in the form of facts.

If you are talking about being in a street fight, most guys with that big a size advantage would be looking to smother you so more effective would be grapples and knees (I'm thinking Muay Thai here).

arybvtcw0eolkf · 21-11-2008 01:27AM

Nothingcompares wrote: »

So we have expert number one saying "all" street fights consist two blokes throwing digs and kicking like sissies all over the place and we have expert number 2 saying all street fights involve the bigger bloke clinching the smaller bloke. One expert analysis is based on watching drunks get in rows in pubs/outside clubs and the other is based on growing up in a rough area.

I don't think it's too unfair of me to say there is no expert or informed view here, its all based on anecdotal experience. That is why I'm calling into question any statements made given in the form of facts.

And where did I (or the other chap) claim to be "experts" or even an authority?.

I related my views based on my experience, whats your been sunshine?.

Your talking through your hole.

DeVore · 21-11-2008 01:54AM

Yeah, I would have thought that real world experience is more then "anecdotal", what were you looking for... a survey? statistics? "Our analysis shows that 73% of fighters with a weight advantage of over 25% favour a clinch approach, Jason whats your view on this data"...

You asked me for a basis for my opinion. You seemed to think I would go "err... me mate told me" but instead you got an answer that as an 11 stone (at the time) bloke, I have some experience to back up my opinion. You'll find I rarely post unless I do.

Now, what exactly has crawled up your @rse and died today?

I've seen 16 stone foreign guys *schooled* by 14 year old Thai champions in Chang Mai Stadium (which convinced me there is something to this martial art). So, I dont have a MORI poll to offer you but I have plenty of informed experience to back up my opinion.

DeV.

ryoishin · 21-11-2008 01:58PM

Regardless of hight, size or weight, if your ass is on the line hit as effectively as you can.

Niall Keane · 21-11-2008 03:09PM

http://www.shadowhand.com/wudang/dd_f.html

pic on here, where Dan Docherty of PTTCI weighing 12 Stone, has knocked out Roy Pink 18.5 Stone, in the semi finals of 1980 South East Asian Lei Tai Championships.

Nothingcompares · 22-11-2008 03:37AM

I had a much longer post here but I've scrapped it and condensed it into the following because I feel it's offtopic.

Mairt/Dev - nothing personal, no disrespect intended.

Street fights are violent unlawful interactions between people or groups of people. They are by their nature chaotic, random, dangerous and unique.

I don't believe any further generalisation on the topic is acceptable even it is made by SBSD professionals or Police.

My problem with what Mairt said is that yes it may be true for his circumstances (working on a pub door) but I don't believe it's true in general (there are many many other different types of Street fight/ violent encounter that takes place far away from night clubs).

My problem with what Dev said is similar, it may be true for a very particular context (One bigger bloke fighting another bloke over something trivial with drink on board) but isn't applicable as a generalisation for the wider context.

If an 11 stone man was attacked by a 14 stone man......

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